User talk:Angel David/archive 2

Archive:The Block/Delete Ages and New Beginnings

TfD nomination of Template:New Messages
Template:New Messages has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. SarekOfVulcan 17:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Angel David/God
This sort of thing would really be more appropriate on your own website than on Wikipedia. Unless this is something you're working on that's meant to become part of an article one day, I request that you move this content elsewhere. Friday (talk) 17:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:No Wikicrusade
Template:No Wikicrusade has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. SarekOfVulcan 17:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Note
Angel David, there is currently an RFC about you. See Requests for comment/Angel David. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please look at my reasons. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The people decide on what to do. Here is an example. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Angel David/God
User:Angel David/God, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Angel David/God and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Angel David/God during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Maxim (talk) (contributions)  21:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps
Hello, Angel David. Perhaps you could make your own wiki about God. See this, how about something like HolyWiki? Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, no one owns anything here. The internet is public, and it is not owned by anyone. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

MFD
Question, why did you call our comments "nonsense"? Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would make sure my favorite page complies with the rules. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do not remove the tag, it is not allowed. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been bougt up several times, WP:UP, WP:OWN, and WP:NOT. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked
David, your behaviour has become ridiculous. You need a time out from Wikipedia. Please reconsider your action, and feel free to return and contribute to the encyclopedia when the block expires. --Maxim (talk) (contributions)  22:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment on the above
Hi,

I saw the conduct rfc, the and mfd for the talk space page, and I figure there is a chance that some help might be useful.

The issue here is that Wikipedia is not your average website. It's a reference work, which follows some very specific "style rules" that apply to all editors, whatever they may personally think. That means whether you are (or I am) someone who believes in God or someone who doesn't, someone who is Western or from any country, we all agree, by editing here, to follow these same standards, whatever our beliefs and "knowledge" on subjects.

That can be hard for people who are believers in something special. The reason is, we are not writing here about what we personally believe or even what we personally know is true. There is a policy on neutrality which describes what we write, and that dictates all our approaches to balancing different views, even the ones we don't ourselves believe in.

We write that way because that is the mainstream view. Unfortunately - and this can be hard for someone who believes strongly in a specific truth, what one person believes is not the same as what another believes. Your beliefs - or mine - which we are absolutely sure about, are going to be met by people who are absolutely, positively, sure we are wrong and they are right. Your comment that you "know" is going to be met by theirs that they "know" as well. So Wikipedia does not try and judge these. If you are right personally (or I am) then you are right, if you are wrong, you are wrong... but factually, the reality is, your beliefs are not those of the majority of people, so they do not get the same weight as a general view would.

Whether you agree or not, this is what this means:


 * There are policies. They apply to you, to me, and to everything you do on Wikipedia. While you edit on Wikipedia, you need to follow them.


 * Wikipedia has a mission and direction, to create an encyclopedia. Your personal views are not authoritative, however certain you are of them. They carry no weight. (Nor do mine.)


 * Pages describing how you see things have no place here, and are going to be removed.


 * You do not "own" anything on Wikipedia, or have any rights to control anything on Wikipedia. You don't have any rights or any "say" even over the text you yourself wrote. You are contributing to a communal work, and anyone, anywhere, may remove your work if they feel it is not in line with community policies and norms.


 * Tags and editorial controls are only to be used in line with policies and norms that the community has agreed. if you try to use them outside those, you will be warned, and ultimately prevented from doing so.


 * Wikipedia is not censored. There will be content you (or I) do not like or approve of. If it meets policy and communal norms, then it stays even if you (or I) hate it and despise it, or feel it does not match what we "know".


 * Removal of others stuff because it doesn't match your view, is not a good reason. It will be considered as a problem if you do this.

What you can do is add encyclopedic content, remove genuine vandalism, and the like. But to do this, you will need to start with basics, and accept that it is not going to always match your own views. That is what neutrality means - it doesn't follow your or my personal views. If you think you can do this, then that is the skill needed to edit.

Sorry to be rough on you, but I think the best help possible is exactly to spell it out very directly for you this way, so you know what's what. Otherwise it'll just get worse, and that will be a shame.

If I can help in any way, please do ask :)

Thanks -- and speak soon!

FT2 (Talk 22:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Mentoring
Hello David, I was wondering if you'd like me as your mentor. I know you're blocked right now, but we can start anytime. Please reply here, I'm around. I am patient and willing to help you, but you must stay civil; that's my only rule. Up for it? I for one am willing to give you a chance. I know how it feels to be a young Wikipedian. Love, Neran e i   (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

October, 2007
Your recent contribution to your talk page has been reverted or removed. Although this is your talk page, making such edits are considered vandalism and will be reverted. If you continue, this talk page may be protected from editing. Thank you. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 02:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, if you want to make an unblock request, put and an admin will attend. Thank you. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 02:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Your accusations on my talk page
I have a list of articles that I've started on my user page. Feel free to nominate any of them for deletion that don't meet WP article standards.--SarekOfVulcan 03:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Review
Hi. I was going to send you an e-mail, but you didn't specify one. Anyway, there are people talking about you here. I thought you'd want to know. Cheers. A.Z. 04:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Your RfC
David, I just wanted to let you know I put something in at your RfC. If you dislike what I wrote, please try to notify me (not trying to be cruel about you not being able to edit...)  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-21-2007 • 21:43:22
 * Also, I can archive your page if you want.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-21-2007 • 21:43:22

Oh, yay you've been unblocked because the timer ended! Anyways, you can take the page on The Lord GOD, and "cringes" insert it as a hidden comment, and view it later, or save it in a text file. For example, look right after this comment and you won't see what I wrote unless you click edit.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 00:13:00

But since I feel bad about missing church today, I'll do it for you.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 00:16:51

The tag is

Blocked, again
David, that was very inappropriate. Blocks are meant to prevent a user from disrupting Wikipedia. If you do the same things, there is no choice but to re-block you. --Maxim (talk) (contributions)  00:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The block has expired.--chaser - t 08:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Chillax dude, it's just three hours... Just watch TV, or look at the section below.   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 00:45:31
 * I'm going to AFK for a bit, so if David accepts the proposal below, feel free to do the unblock for me. Maxim (talk) (contributions)  01:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to try and help you out of trouble.
I've spend 20 minutes of my free time preparing this for YOUR needs. Please try this.

 Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 00:40:24
 * 1) Do not edit in your userspace for two months
 * 2) After two months, make one and only one edit to your userspace per 50 edits, and do not edit it twice in a month.
 * 3) Do not leave a talk message unless neccessary
 * 4) Make as many good quality edits as possible to the mainspace
 * 5) Download WP:VF, and use it for an hour a day
 * 6) Consider doing something I'll never do - getting an account on MySpace
 * 7) If you've got 10 + friends call them and talk with them about whatever for 5 hours, like me.  It reduces your dependancy on Wikipedia
 * 8) Pick up a hobby, and when you learn something about it, if it's not original research, and we don't have it already, type about it.  My hobby is JavaScript and HTML/XHTML plus other computer stuff.
 * 9) See that link on interaction on the side of the page called Recent Changes?  Get Firefox, install WP:TWINKLE, and click on it 10 times a minute.
 * 10) Comment on WP:XfD, WP:RfA, and use the links on my page to find others
 * 11) Click Random article on Navigation, and click until you find something incomplete that interests you, then add tags neccessary, and do a google search.
 * 12) Get your friends over for a editing party, and see who can get the most mainspace edits (NOT VANDALIZING, but of course you know that).
 * 13) Get a WP:Adoption helper.
 * 14) Looking at your RfC may help.
 * David, would you mind looking at my comments above? I'm willing to mentor you along with Yamakiri, if he doesn't mind. I enjoy researching religion, and could help you contribute in those areas. Please let me know here or on my talk page if you want to. Love, Neran e i   (talk) 00:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't mind. It'll be fun!  Well, actualy, it'll be effortful, but all the same.  Like they say, there's little difference between the colour blue and the colour yellow if you take green into the equation.   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 00:58:51


 * I'm thinking about it--Angel David 00:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * David, if you agree by Yamakiri's rules, I'm willing to unblock you. Maxim (talk) (contributions)  00:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yamakiri- do you mind if I help you? Love, Neran e i   (talk) 01:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, not at all!  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 01:02:22
 * Thank you dear Yamakiri, David, if you want to work on religion articles, I've got some good resources that you may find useful. Love, Ne<font color= "#03C03C">ra<font color= "#32CD32">n e i   (talk) 01:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have one suggestion on the above: David, don't install Twinkle yet. It's a very powerful tool, and without knowing the processes behind what it does, you could get into some trouble. Practice giving the warnings and reverting edits manually. Then, once you feel that you know what you're doing, let Twinkle help you out. Good luck with the mentoring!--SarekOfVulcan 03:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Rejoyce (after four edit conflicts...)
<div style="float:center; border-style:solid; border-color:green; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px; vertical-align: middle;" class="plainlinks">

 Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 01:02:22 hopes that you are joyful! Joy promotes WikiLove and hopefully this little bit has helped make your day better. Spread the Wikilove by melting the clouds of sin and sadness that weigh down someone else. Try to brighten the day of as many people as you can! Keep up the great editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Joy message}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
 * Wow I did something useful with my time tonight!  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 01:02:22

Monobook file
Simply click this or this, then put in whatever you want to put in. I'm having a script custom made for you, to help you get over your "addiction" to your userspace. I think the RfC will work out fine, for it's probably drawing to a close. On a random note, you're one timezone behind me.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 20:43:27
 * Argh! NO BAD REMOVE IT RIGHT NOW!!!  NOW!!!  WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T PURGE YOUR BROWSER WINDOW!!!  Though normal text may not do stuff, that page is intricate JavaScript.  This is an example of JavaScript.  To insert a comment put /* Text goes here */ or // Text goes here the latter method works only for one line comments.  This (don't test it out just yet) will force you to take a Wikibreak, and if you sign in, if it's before the date specified, it will log you out.

/* */ function EnforceWikiBreak { //Please adjust the following variables according to when you want to end your break: var year = 2007; //YYYY var month = 02; //MM var day = 25; //DD var hour = 20; //HH var minute = 00; //MM var second = 00; //SS var currentdate = new Date; var enforced_break_end = new Date(year,changemonth(month),day,hour,minute,second); if (currentdate > enforced_break_end) { // alert ("Welcome back from your enforced wikibreak!"); } else { alert ("Enforced wikibreak until " + enforced_break_end.toLocaleString + " (currently " + currentdate.toLocaleString + "). Bye!"); window.location.href = ("http://"+document.location.host+"/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogout&returnto=Main_Page"); } } function changemonth(month) { //thing to subtract 1 from the month. you can't use month-1 because it removes the '0' from the front if(month==01) return 00; if(month==02) return 01; if(month==03) return 02; if(month==04) return 03; if(month==05) return 04; if(month==06) return 05; if(month==07) return 06; if(month==08) return 07; if(month==09) return 08; if(month==10) return 09; if(month==11) return 10; if(month==12) return 11; return 00; } addOnloadHook(EnforceWikiBreak); /* */

This is very complex stuff, for example look at User:Yamakiri on Firefox/monobook.js then User:Yamakiri on Firefox/deluxe.js. Note, monobook is your template, deluxe alone won't do anything, you need to add the importScript('User:Example/monobook.js'); tag to import.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 20:49:24
 * Anything else you want to know about monobook? Like, why are there two = for months, or why is there a ; after prettymuch everything?  Or why are some parenthases filled and some not?  The pre and nowiki tags?  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 21:12:58
 * *cough* disable javascript in your browser ;D -- ⁪ffroth 02:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hello, Angel David. I noticed you reverted vandalism recently. Please consider warning vandals using the following templates:

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.

If they vandalize after the level 4 warning, make a report here.

Also, don't forget to substitute your templates! Happy editing! Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and by the way, you should only warn obvious vandals (for example, if someone put "poop" on a page.")


 * Also, please subst messages (see how to do so on the page.) Great that you are taking up vandal fighting! Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Again, please subst your warnings. Instead of, put (without the nowiki tags). Thanks, and happy editing! Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Question
Hello, David. Just curious, but how is this vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JetLover (talk • contribs) 21:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps he was testing. He doesn't appear to have the intent to deface the article. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, did you remember to bypass your cache after adding to your monobook? It can be done by pressing the Ctrl and F5 Keys at the same time.   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-22-2007 • 21:31:59

User:Franbas
Hello, Angel David. I would like to suggest you not edit people's userpages, I don't think he wanted that there. Thanks, and happy editing! Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions
Hello David. Yamakiri and I have come up with some suggestions for you. Keep up the reverting, you're doing well. I'd suggest you take a look at WikiProject Christianity, WikiProject Bible, WikiProject Catholicism, WikiProject Religion and Portal:Christianity/Projects. Please ask me if you have any questions! Love, Ne<font color= "#03C03C">ra<font color= "#32CD32">n e i   (talk) 00:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool, if you need a good resource, check out [www.religioustolerance.org]. It has great information. Keep up the good work! Love, Ne<font color= "#03C03C">ra<font color= "#32CD32">n e i   (talk) 01:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, just tell me if you want help. Love, Ne<font color= "#03C03C">ra<font color= "#32CD32">n e i   (talk) 22:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh really?
"Last userspace edit for two months" Just be glad the Userscript hasn't come in yet. Have you checked out /things for you?  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-23-2007 • 01:23:31

Just to make sure...
Would you concent to the script being made and preventing you from editing your userspace? We'll tell you how to disable it when you're finished with training.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-23-2007 • 19:23:51
 * No, not at all, well, I'm going to work around that, and you apparently use IE, and everyone around here has (cringes) mozilla firefox. You might want to consider getting it too, just look at the hundreds of scripts in my monobook that need it!  Even though I only use them for User:Yamakiri on Firefox   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-24-2007 • 00:09:26
 * That means of course you're allowed to, and I just got your message, so I'll cancel production by letting everyone forget about it.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-24-2007 • 00:10:37
 * You can but that doesn't mean you should, and you just said you were getting it protected so I just deleted the script (hits head on desk) WHY??? I'm so confused with 50 billion assignments and redundent questions /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-24-2007 • 00:13:47

You confuse me. Not a complete sentance. Firefox. importScript('User:Yamakiri/monobook.js');. What, what, David?  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-24-2007 • 00:17:51

Protection?
You want your user page protected? So that you don't edit it? If you don't want to edit it, just don't edit it. Except perhaps in rare weird cases, nobody can tell you that you're not allowed to edit your own user page. Friday (talk) 02:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I once imposed myself a block, but I forgot about it, and then I edited a page. If I had been actually blocked, this wouldn't have happened. A.Z. 02:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The "box"
It's created with fixed position tags in a div element, I got the idea by seeing someone else's box, and made one all by myself!

<div style="position: fixed; right:0; bottom:0; display:block; height:px; width:px;;-moz-opacity:.80;opacity:.80"> <div style="position: relative; width: px; height: px; overflow: hidden">  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-24-2007 • 11:07:19
 * Remember, you can take hours at it, (but do not edit all your pages in a row) just remember to use show preview, copy it to notepad, make an edit, repeat untill you're completely satisfied. If you care what I think, click email user in the toolbox on my page, and I'll preview it.  Oh, and did you download Firefox?   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-24-2007 • 21:17:00
 * + on User talk:Angel David/things for you and to Friday's comment - Piano, get back Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-24-2007 • 21:27:01
 * Ah, yes, the don't edit monobook unless you can "do" JavaScript. Well, David, I bit you a thought, tired and overworked as I am after coordinating my friends over the phone on some dumb mythical creature project, why don't you copy my monobook into yours so it'll be static, and get those techies at village pump to "make sure it's pure".  Wow, you're good with religion, I'm good with scripts...   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-25-2007 • 01:26:56
 * PS, how's your lecture page?  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-25-2007 • 01:26:56

Editing monobook.js
You shouldn't edit User:Angel David/monobook.js unless you know what you're doing. It can change things about how Wikipedia works for you. Friday (talk) 21:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

In case you didn't know..
Your page User:Angel David/God was deleted because it had nothing to do with the encyclopedia, and Wikipedia is not a free web host. Now you appear to have yet another similar page, User:Angel David/Yahweh. Do you understand that Wikipedia is not a place for you to write whatever you want? It's possible someone will come along and want to delete this page, for the same exact reasons the other one was deleted. Friday (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't participate in the first discussion, but I would definitely have voted to keep the page. If the new page gets nominated, I'll vote to keep it. The page has a lot to do with the encyclopedia because Angel David is a contributor to the encyclopedia. A.Z. 23:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That reasoning makes no sense at all to me. By that logic, it sounds to me like you're saying that any page someone puts on Wikipedia belongs on Wikipedia, because someone put it there.  The discussion can be read at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Angel David/God- some of the rationales given there are pretty reasonable.  Friday (talk) 23:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't belong on Wikipedia just because someone put it there. It belongs on Wikipedia because one of our editors put it there, and it doesn't harm anyone. Angel David isn't using Wikipedia as his free web host. I didn't read the page, but it looks that he was just telling other editors things that are important for him, which is hardly "using Wikipedia as a free web host". It is using Wikipedia as a project to build an encyclopedia, and writing something that he thinks is important for the project. If telling something to other editors makes Angel David feels good, and doesn't harm anyone, this is good for the project, because that Angel David and all people feel good is good for the project. In fact, the reason why we want to bring knowledge to everyone in the planet is that we believe that, somehow, ultimately this will make people feel good.


 * Also, which rationales do you think were reasonable, the ones for deleting or keeping the page? A.Z. 23:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You're still not making sense. "It doesn't belong on Wikipedia just because someone put it there. It belongs on Wikipedia because one of our editors put it there." How else is a page going to be put on Wikipedia unless one of our editors puts it there? Magic? User:Friday is entirely correct here. Raymond Arritt 15:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * All I meant to say by that was that, if there's no good reason for it not to be there, then it should be there. After that, I explained why Friday's reason wasn't a good reason to me. A.Z. 22:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You're Welcome
I'm sorry I couldn't get the hex for it, and I'm really, really sorry that the click handler I put in isn't obeying the commands (mabey because it's nestled...) I'm really sorry! I was trying to help out, and I guess I failed...  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-26-2007 • 20:27:28
 * Oh, hey wow! My problem was exclusively due to being on your talk page, and another edit means some click handlers work on your talk.  I'm happy too because of the rain (it's  got a calming effect, but I probably bombed that quiz...)   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-26-2007 • 20:35:10
 * You've got a lesson on markup @ /things for you Nerd Joke :

<style type="text/css">
 * @import="../cssfile.css"

 Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-26-2007 • 20:56:54

Stop with the Userspace edits
David you are an adict, stop now unless you plan to put that article in the mainspace, and we may be able to cure you. Now, go here after you go to yamahanora or something and click page, and in the last section click view source, and copy the raw HTML. Now go there and make an account (just don't put personal things there) and paste the thingy about GOD Our Lord's name in Hebrew and make a page somehow (I'd tell you how, but I've never personaly been there, just heard of it). Edit it there not here. No userspace. And, no you shouldn't put that in your monobook file.  Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-26-2007 • 22:29:19
 * While you're at it, download this. Read about it before or after you download it   Y   ДмΔќʃʀï →ГC←  10-26-2007 • 22:31:42