User talk:Angela Flowers Gallery

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tim Mara (June 20)
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AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:46, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

COI notice
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Angela Flowers Gallery", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are permitted to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you individually, such as "Sara Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Please also read our paid editing policy and our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please request a change of username, by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, choosing a username that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:47, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John Maclean (June 20)
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AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:43, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ishbel Myerscough (June 20)
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Lapablo (talk) 18:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tom Lovelace (June 20)
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SamHolt6 (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Scarlett Hooft Graafland


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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:John Maclean


A tag has been placed on Draft:John Maclean requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.jmaclean.co.uk/photography/fine-art/about/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Tom Lovelace


A tag has been placed on Draft:Tom Lovelace requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.flowersgallery.com/artists/view/tom-lovelace. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Copyright and conflict of interest
Thank you for your interest in creating articles on Wikipedia. There are multiple problems with your submissions. You cannot post copyrighted material on Wikipedia even if you are the copyright holder, unless special licensing permissions are in place. In short, a copyright owner cannot offer Wikipedia a one-time license for use. Rather, the copyright to the material has to be released – permanently and irrevocably – into the public domain or under a free copyright license that is compatible with Wikipedia's licenses. This is because Wikipedia aims to be freely distributable and copyable by anyone, so all content must be licensed for that purpose. You can learn more about this policy at Copyrights. The second problem is conflict of interest. Writing an article about your own organization or clients you represent is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view.

If you'd like to use the copyrighted content in an article, you can follow the instructions at Requesting copyright permission on how to obtain the proper licensing. If you are the copyright holder, refer to Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for how to grant us permission to use your content. Alternatively, you could write a new article that does not closely paraphrase the material available online. See Copying text from other sources for more information. However you would then still have to abide by the conflict of interest guideline. In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

I'm sorry this message could not be more favourable. If you have any questions, you can leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 06:30, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Ishbel Myerscough


A tag has been placed on Draft:Ishbel Myerscough requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.flowersgallery.com/artists/view/ishbel-myerscough. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Scarlett Hooft Graafland (June 21)
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Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

June 2019
There have been two problems with this account: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business or other organisation or group or a web site, which is also against policy, as an account must be for just one person. Because of those problems, the account has been blocked indefinitely from editing. Additionally, If you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for your contributions to Wikipedia, you must disclose who is paying you to edit.

If you intend to make useful contributions about some topic other than your business or organisation, you may request an unblock. To do so, post the text at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:CentralAuth to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy. Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In that reason, you must:
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If you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal this block. To do so, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the text at the bottom of your talk page, replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason for thinking that the block was an error, and publish the page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Also note that accounts cannot be shared or represent a group/organization. Please select a single individual to exclusively operate this account. 331dot (talk) 10:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You have again chosen an inappropriate username. Your username must reflect that an individual is using this account.  As I said, you have a conflict of interest in editing about your clients.  Please review that policy(or this plain language version) as well as the paid editing policy.  Wikipedia, frankly, has no interest in what you state your job requires you to do.  We are here to build an encyclopedia of human knowledge, not promote artists or helping others to promote artists. Someone else will review your request, but you aren't going to be unblocked if your only goal here is to edit about your clients.  Please consider social media or some other alternative outlet. 331dot (talk) 14:47, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * That's exactly why and probably the only reason why they cannot be created, because you (who has a obvious/admitted conflict of interest) are the one trying to create them. We do not allow an editor with a COI to create articles they are involved with, period. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 14:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Alright, I'll just put my name here. I know that the other username was still not good, but I only used it to respond here. I also am not being paid to do this, I am just doing it for them out of my own freewill, and I wasn't implying that you or Wikipedia cares whether it is my job or not, I am just stating it so you know I am not just doing it to do it. I also have read the COI page, twice now, just so that I understand it clearly, and the way I have been responding is how I am understanding it. So what you're telling me is that no art gallery in existence can create Wikipedia pages for their artists? Then how do they get created? Every single artist has to do it themselves? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angela Flowers Gallery (talk • contribs)
 * Only one request is needed, I have moved your new username choice to your request. Articles should not be created by the subjects, either, see the autobiography policy.  As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources state about article subjects, so articles are usually written when an independent person notices coverage of a potential article subject.  The point is that the article is written by an independent editor based on independent sources, not by the subject, not by their representatives, and not by their employer.  If you are employed by the gallery, you are a paid editor.  We don't know when you are "on the clock" for the gallery and "off the clock" editing at home of your own free will.  331dot (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Your choice of new username was registered four days ago, was that you? If not, you will need to choose again. 331dot (talk) 15:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, that was me, before I knew all this difficulty with all this would play out. I'll just have the other one erased somehow and use this one, if I can, but now for the right purposes, since I am slowly starting to get it. But now it seems like this is backtracking. So no gallery or anything similar created the profiles of any artist on Wikipedia. No artist created their own Wikipedia page on this website. ONLY independent persons (which is what, exactly? That might be where I am being thrown off.) have ever created a Wikipedia page for an artist that has a Wikipedia page? That is correct? It has never been a gallery or something similar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angela Flowers Gallery (talk • contribs)
 * Subsequent comments do not need to be unblock requests; if you have additional comment, simply make a standard comment as I am doing here, without the "unblock" formatting. Accounts cannot be erased; you may be able to use it once this is resolved(though not before).  Independent editors are editors that have no association with the subject, such as being the subject, their employer, a client, etc.  Please read about conflict of interest by clicking these words. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for someone to create a page inappropriately and go undetected, so I cannot guarantee there is absolutely no articles on artists created by their galleries here.  But Wikipedia strives to avoid conflict of interests. 331dot (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if I am doing this right. Hopefully this comment gets through. I'm assuming this is how to do it, I wasn't sure before if I was able to just respond with a regular comment. I clearly have never used Wikipedia before. Anyways, so I need to use a different username since TomokazuIto was already used, and accounts cannot be erased? Also, basically, in the end, I cannot make any pages for our artists? The link that you sent above says that I technically can, but I need to disclose the conflict and some other stuff, which I'm preferring not to do. Am I right?


 * I don't know how to make just a regular comment on this. I did, but I don't know if it went through to where you saw it and I just wanted to make sure you got this, what I typed out. So I need to use a different username since TomokazuIto was already used, and accounts cannot be erased? Also, basically, in the end, I cannot make any pages for our artists? The link that you sent above says that I technically can, but I need to disclose the conflict and some other stuff, which I'm preferring not to do. Am I right?


 * This is getting aggravating, for the final time. NO you cannot write, start apge for or about or even edit an exiting page about you, what you do, who you work for, who you customers are or anything close to any of this. Now if you're unblocked (and at the moment seems very unlikely) what articles/areas would you plan on contributing to? -  FlightTime  ( open channel )
 * (edit conflict) As I said, once this is resolved you may be able to use the account in your name that you created, or you can just propose a new username(which might be easier). Regarding creating the articles(not just "pages"), if you had made the proper disclosures beforehand and used the Articles for Creation process, that may have been permitted.  Now that you are blocked, you won't be immediately permitted to create such articles.  You might later(at least 6 months) be permitted to use Articles for Creation to create draft articles, to be reviewed by others, related to your COI if once unblocked you can show a contribution history demonstrating you are a productive, general contributor and can abide by Wikipedia policies.  If you want to be unblocked, you will need to indicate that you are here to be a general contributor and tell what other subjects aside from your clients you will edit about.  However, since you suggest you would rather not make the proper disclosures(one of which, WP:PAID, is a Wikipedia Terms of Use requirement), there is no pathway to being unblocked for you. While a different administrator will review your request, and will do as they see fit, I suspect that any path to being unblocked will involve you making the required disclosures and telling what you will edit about other than your gallery and its artists. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know who you are and why you are randomly chiming in on the conversation I was having with that person, but cut it out. I am not even going to respond to you because clearly you have no patience for this situation. Leave. Now with the person that seems to have some patience (or at least you hide your aggression while communicating) I can just create a new username since this account can't be erased since the other account has the username TomokazuIto. And I don't actually plan anymore to create anything articles here. Although I am willing to go the extra mile to get all this straightened out and cleared, I think I will first talk with my supervisors to see how things have been done in the past more clearly (I have obviously never used Wikipedia before) and see what I/we should do about our artists information. As far as proper disclosures, I didn't mean that I will try this all again and try to create more articles and not disclose anything, I just will delete the attempted articles (as I have been advised to do from messages left to me from when I did try to create them) and leave everything blank. What I also meant was that if I do try to create anything in the future, I will strictly follow policies much more closely and disclose anything needed for anything that needs disclosing. As of now, I will be a general contributor, but I really have no used for doing anything on Wikipedia anymore other than just general looking things up. Does this make sense? Do tell me if there is error in my thinking and planning.
 * If you have no intentions to edit Wikipedia, there is no need to unblock you, as a block does not prevent you from reading Wikipedia- so if you are no longer going to edit anything, you should withdraw your unblock request. You cannot delete articles yourself, even if unblocked, only administrators can(you can blank an article, but the edit history remains). What your supervisors have to say is, to be frank, not terribly relevant. If others from your gallery have properly contributed to Wikipedia(making the required disclosures, not directly editing about your artists, instead submitting drafts at WP:AFC and edit requests) then they have(although there might be some meatpuppetry concerns now).  I don't know if others from your gallery have done that or not- and I'm guessing you aren't going to share the usernames of others at your gallery(which I can't really blame you for).  I would suggest that you invest your time in a social media forum, gallery-owned website, or other alternative forum where what you want to do is allowed.  Good day. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Well I don't personally have need to edit, as of now, anything on Wikipedia, but others here at the gallery, such as my supervisors, may need to edit things to any of our artists who do have an existing Wikipedia page already. They told me the other day that they have used it before and made edits, but never have created an article (which is why I got stuck here), but I don't see why I am being prevented from being unblocked. I am no threat to this, and even if I were to try to create an article, I would end up in this whole process all over again, which I'd like to best avoid. My point is, if this account gets unblocked, then the articles that do exist for some of our artists can be accessed and updated from time to time when updates for them are necessary. I don't exactly know how this process works, but others here have used it to edit and update information, as I mentioned. I also have a different name for this account from someone else here.
 * I must leave my computer shortly, so someone else will review your request should you choose to leave it here. If others from your gallery are directly editing articles about your artists without the proper disclosures and are not making edit requests, they too are violating WP:COI and WP:PAID and, if detected, may be blocked too. Other than that, I have nothing else to add at this time. Good day to you. 331dot (talk) 16:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Well they are doing everything properly; it's immature and unprofessional that you would assume that they are doing it incorrectly. Good day.
 * I did not say they were or weren't, I said "if". 331dot (talk) 17:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

rename
Is the current renaming choice, TomokazuIto suitable? May I proceed?Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * This user has expressed (a couple times) they have no other reason to edit Wikipedia, save COI area/articles. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 17:45, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think unblocking is a separate issue, unless we are now dealing with the other reasons for the block before renaming. (not interested in unblocking. just like pressing shiny "rename" button)Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hence User:Dlohcierekim/decline promo renamedDlohcierekim (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Got ya, It was my assumption that's where you were heading, sorry I was incorrect. Cheers  -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 17:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * this user has asked you to stop posting here. Please just let admins handle this.  And, preferably, don't insert yourself into random conversations on the talk pages of blocked editors. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 19:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what the big fuss is with all you guys, at least with FlightTime and whoever else has problems with this. I don't really feel like repeating myself after everything was dealt with yesterday, but I may edit in the near future certain things, and I already stated that if I do, it will be with all the correct disclosures and whatever else I need because I know if I don't, I'll be going through this whole process again, which I'd prefer to avoid. There is no reason to leave me blocked except for the hurt feelings by people who have decided to chime in and get annoyed by me asking questions for my own clarification, which obviously is not a legitimate reason to leave me blocked. I already said I would change my username to a better fitting name so it is not just representing the gallery. I will remove the attempted articles that I tried to create because they were attempted incorrectly. I've got it all under control. Again, no reason to keep me blocked except for people who are just being petty.
 * You are free at this time to make another unblock request, that will be reviewed by someone else. You won't be able to create a new account until this is resolved. 331dot (talk) 12:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I wasn't planning on making a new account, but provide a new username since I can't use Angela Flowers Gallery. But I'll go ahead with the new request.

As a renamer, I can say that the username would be acceptable, although the slash may need to be changed to an "of" (or some other word) for technical reasons. However, you seem to be saying that a different person other than yourself will be operating this account henceforth. Please clarify. 331dot (talk) 12:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

You cannot share this account, and you cannot use the other account until this block is resolved. Blocks are on the person, not just the account. The other account has already been blocked to prevent this by someone else. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

(331dot did the job) −
 * Well, this is a big deal. We now have the spectre of WP:sockpuppetry (meat puppetry-- coordinated efforts) and implications of WP:UPE. I'll leave the renamed and the unblock for further contemplation by other admins. And as you've just said you are already using TomokazuIto, we should look at that one as well. I also infer a lack of understanding of the reasons for the block, so it would be problematic to say the least.Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It is also clear that there may be a meatpuppetry issue here in the future, as this user has claimed that others at her gallery have edited about their artists. (just realized I missed your parentheses, oops) 331dot (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I've no intention of renaming until the issues are settled and no intention of unblocking. Might need a CU, or would that be over the top?Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay. Clearly there's a misunderstanding, which seems to be a theme with you guys on the other end of this thing. Let me make this very clear, especially for you since you are now another new person chiming in out of nowhere: I created an account for myself to make edits, just like anybody else. Then, someone else created this account the same day for the same reasons but to also create articles for our artists, which after long talks yesterday with someone else, I understand the problem and it is no longer a problem. I was the one responding, not the other person, because I was using it at the time. Through the long talks I found out that I cannot share this account and all the other stuff that was involved, which is fine because I have my own account, I was just helping the other person out. This is why I chose the rename that I did, because that is the other person's name. We are no longer sharing this account. I have mine under TomokazuIto, and only to be used by me. She will have this one, the one she originally created, with that name I mentioned up above. Only edits will be made. No articles created. Got it? Is everything clear now?


 * You still don't grasp the problems. Got it? Some other admin will review all of this and will decide whether or not to unblock.Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:23, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * First of all, I do grasp all of the problems. I have heard them, discussed them, clarified everything, and even repeated for you all so you understand what I am saying. I will solely be using my account, and the other person will solely be using her account. Nobody else will be using either of our accounts. Second of all, if you are so quick to say that some other admin will review it all and not try to get anything solved, then why are you here responding and putting input here in the first place? Just so you can feel like you have some kind of authority over there since you're already "in" Wikipedia? I'm just trying to do what I can to get where you are and in your standing with this site. That's it. No backtracking, no lying, no scheming. Nothing wrong with anything I've said since the start of trying to figure this all out.
 * The point is that since you created this account, you cannot pass it off to someone else. Mostly that is because we have no way of knowing who is sitting at the computer operating the account.  is an experienced administrator who came here to look at your request and potentially rename you, they are not just some random user. You have also essentially sunk the chances of anyone at your gallery from being able to edit about your artists(which they really shouldn't have been doing anyway) as a matter of sock or meat puppetry(the former is using multiple accounts, the latter is off-wiki coordination amongst editors at the same place, which we treat as sockpuppetry). Someone else will review this but in my opinion the chances of your being unblocked are close to zero. 331dot (talk) 13:37, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I may have missed it but I also don't believe you have said what subjects you want to edit about. 331dot (talk) 13:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I already said it above: a person created this account. Okay? I later got on this account because I was under the impression that since it was with the name of the gallery that any of us at the gallery could get on and create an article about our artists. I now know that I cannot do that, and nobody can. I have requested that the name be changed back to a different name, which is the name of the person that originally created this account. So no, I did not create this account. The other person did, and now I am making sure that it is known throughout the office that only she can use it. What am I missing here? Tell me, please. I have my own account, which I will use only, and nobody else will. Still, what am I missing here? I've said this now multiple times. I have already explained this to the others in this gallery, this morning before work, that this is how it works, and they already said that they will just create their own accounts. They will still take the necessary actions needed to properly do anything on this site. This concludes that any person that uses Wikipedia here will have their own account, and nobody will be sharing anything. Am I still missing something? Haven't I already stated all of this? I get it, you don't trust me, and I know why. You don't know me, but you also don't know the other millions that have accounts that may or may not share anything and do with it what they want. All you have is my word, which is, quite frankly, the only thing you can get. We (you and I and other users) are all sitting at computers right now discussing this. What more is there? Please tell me what I am still missing.


 * I also just saw that last message from you. I didn't clarify that, but if I do, it'll be, as of what I can think of right now, artists. Photographers, painters, sculptors, etc. Will that change in the future? Not sure right now.


 * Since you have stated that someone else created this account, in addition to the fact that you say your intention was to give it to someone else in violation of WP:NOSHARE, it is no longer eligible to be unblocked. Some other points:
 * It is now a problem for anyone at your gallery to create an account as well as those already having accounts, per WP:MEAT, as we treat users at the same location creating accounts as sockpuppetry, since(as I said) we have no way of knowing who is sitting at the computer.
 * The account that is in your name will need to get unblocked before you can use it, and given the conversation here that will be very difficult indeed. You will need to request unblock from that account.
 * It is going to be difficult for you to make edits related to your conflict of interest, which includes the art world.
 * You and your gallery staff seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is for; it isn't to post profiles of your artists. You should do that on your own website. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * RE-- "came here to look at your request and potentially rename you". Indeed. A thankless task. Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Block evasion
As you have engaged in block evasion, you are essentially no longer eligible for unblock consideration. WP:SO might provide you a path back to productive contributions and requires you wait six months after your last edit. --Yamla (talk) 13:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Great. More people. And how have I engaged in block evasion?


 * And I was waiting for the statement to see more reasonable reasoning but I haven't seen it so I'm going to ask this? Did you even read anything after that of which you quoted? Why are you all just reading parts of what I say just to point out the absolute worst so you can easily get away with keeping me blocked? I do not fathom this at all. Unbelievable. Why don't you tell me what I said after that section in which you quoted of me?


 * I am the one that is new to this and didn't have an understanding before. Everyone here was busy at the time so they weren't going to sit down and explain the reasons and history of Wikipedia. I now know what it is for, and I have said it OVER AND OVER AGAIN that I know it is not for promoting artists or writing about our artists. I get it now. Why don't you all seem to understand that I do in fact understand this? You keep repeating things and I have covered and cleared as if I am stupid, but you are just repeating what I have already covered and making me cover it again. And I am not handing this off to a new person. I am giving it back to the person who originally created this account, so that I can just use mine. If it's hard to get clearance on making edits, then I'll go the distance. Why do you all continue to think that I am the bad guy and am trying to cheat you all out of this? It makes no sense. PLUS, if you treat users AT THE SAME LOCATION as sockpuppetry, then how can anybody use their own accounts in general public spaces, like a Starbucks, for example? They are all independent users who don't know eachother but all have Wikipedia accounts being used in the same location. Is that sockpuppetry or anything you label this as?
 * It isn't just that you are at the same location, but editing about the same subjects in coordination with each other. It is unlikely that all patrons using the internet at a Starbucks would be coordinating their edits about the same subject there, and it is unlikely that they would all have a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 14:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Is that the only thing you are going to comment back on? Not the fact that you only took a small part of what I said earlier about the accounts to make it seem like it is being shared? Clearly nobody else has used this account since it has been made, and nobody has used the other account under the name TomokazuIto, because that is me. As I said, I tried to change the name to the name of the person who originally created this account and chose the name Angela Flowers Gallery so that she can use this and nobody else can, and then you will see the other account being used because I will be using that one, not this one. There will be no sharing. And just because we are both individually using our own Wikipedia accounts and doing something related to the art world makes that sockpuppetry? Do you realize how broad the art world is? Besides, this would mean that we would all have to just give out our passwords to these accounts for anybody else to sit here and use them. I still don't see the problem.
 * The fact that you don't see the problems here is part of the problem. I've said all I can. As this account is not going to be unblocked, and further discussion here will just waste everyone's time including yours, I have decided to remove talk page access. You can try to request unblock from the account in your name, but you will probably need to wait at least 6 months without editing(including others at your gallery) as suggested by Yamla above.  Otherwise, you will need to use WP:UTRS to request unblock. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

--UTRSBot (talk) 14:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC) --UTRSBot (talk) 14:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC)