User talk:Angelchiu


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Hello, Angelchiu, and thank you for your email. I will give you some information which I hope will help you.

First of all, are you the same person who previously edited under the user name Hummingbirdhk? If you are then it will be best to say so, to prevent anyone from thinking that there is anything underhanded about your return under a different name. Even if you are not the same person, but are working for the same business, it will be best to make that clear, to avoid any doubts. Whether you are the same person or not, I hope you have read the messages posted at User talk:Hummingbirdhk about conflict of interest and related matters.


 * No I'm not the same person that previously edited under the user name Hummingbirdhk, however, I am working for the same business.Angelchiu (talk) 13:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)angelchiu

You say that you would like to "resume" the articles Lupo Groinig and Tan Chang. The first thing to do is to carefully check the notability guidelines, to see whether the subjects are suitable to be the topics of Wikipedia articles. I Will say a few words about how to proceed if the answer is "yes", but before doing so I should warn you that if the answer is "no" then the best thing to do is to drop the matter. Time and again over the years I have seen a new user come to Wikipedia to write an article about some subject close to them, have it deleted as not notable, and waste an enormous amount of time rewriting and rewriting the article, only to see all their work go to waste, as the article is deleted again and again, until the editor eventually gives up. No amount of rewriting an article will change the notability of the subject of that article. I think it only fair to tell you that my own, admittedly rather brief, searches, give me the impression that the subjects of these articles do not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines. However, if you do have evidence of satisfying those guidelines, then you can rewrite the articles, but you need to be aware of some points made in some of the pages linked to in the welcome message I am posting above. In your email message you say you have "have clearly read Wikipedia's rules on editing with a PR interest as well as the general rules and regulations", which may mean that you have read all that you need to, but if you have not done so then I suggest looking at the pages on Neutral point of view, Verifiability, Reliable sources, and Citing sources. Some of the other pages listed may well be useful to you too, but I don't suggest that you try to read everything, as there is far too much there.

If you do decide to write articles on these subjects, I strongly suggest first writing them as drafts in your user space, by creating, for example, a page User talk:Angelchiu/Lupo Groinig, with a view to moving it to Lupo Groinig if and when it is ready. Also, put at the top of the page. While even a userspace draft can be deleted without notice in extreme cases, such as totally blatant spam, you can normally expect to be given far more leeway while you are working on it than you would if you posted it immediately as an article.

If you like, I can undelete the old articles and move them to your user space for you to improve them. If you want me to, drop me a note on my talk page. My feeling is that, particularly in the case of Tan Chang, there is so little there worth keeping that you may as well start from scratch, but it's up to you.


 * Yes, it would be great if you can undelete the old articles and move them to my user space. Thank you! Angelchiu (talk) 13:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)angelchiu

I hope that what I have written is helpful to you. Please do bear in mind that, as I have said, your first step should be to decide whether the subjects pass the notability guidelines, and proceed with the other steps I have mentioned only if the answer is "yes". My comments on that subject probably seem discouraging, but I think it would actually be less friendly to sit back and let you go ahead without warning you than to let you know that doing so may turn out to be waste of your time. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * One more point occurred to me after I posted that message. If you are the same person as Hummingbirdhk, then technically you are evading the block on that account by creating a new account without your unblock request being accepted. You do need to answer the points that Daniel Case asked at User talk:Hummingbirdhk, and make sure that your responses have been accepted by an administrator before doing further editing. Theoretically this account should be blocked until an unblock request on the other account is accepted, but I will be happy to accept it if you post your answers here and drop a note on my talk page to let me know you have done so. (All this is, of course, if you are the same person as Hummingbirdhk.) JamesBWatson (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Draft:Lupo Groinig concern
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Lupo Groinig, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13.

Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Tan Chang concern
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Tan Chang, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13.

Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Lupo Groinig


Hello, Angelchiu. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Lupo Groinig".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the  or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Tan Chang


Hello, Angelchiu. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Tan Chang".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the  or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2016 (UTC)