User talk:AngieArtisticIndustries

Speedy deletion nomination of Kitten Pyramid


A tag has been placed on Kitten Pyramid, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
 * It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.
 * It appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement of https://kittenpyramid.co.uk/pages/bio. (See section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Praxidicae (talk) 16:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

November 2020
Thank you deepfriedokra. I appreciate all your vigilance, wisdom and supportive guidance.

I would like to state publicly here that I am receiving no financial renumeration in any way shape or form for trying to contribute to the original mention of Kitten Pyramid (red link) in the existing article about Tom Robinson. This mention of Kitten Pyramid has now been edited out of the article, which makes me very sad as they did support him on that tour. I also confirm that I do not want to own or control the content either, merely put it 'out there' for others to contribute/edit.

I am not sure what to do now, although Gangaruby was helpful, flagging up to me in The Teahouse chat, some useful links allowing me to declare no financial interest and continue to create a draft using inline citations and submit it for review. Maybe you'll allow me to have a go? Angie
 * Your own website makes it VERY clear that you are indeed editing for payment, please make the mandatory disclosure on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 10:37, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

 Kitten Pyramid has been deleted

Hello, AngieArtisticIndustries. Thank you for helping to build Wikipedia-- the world's largest free content encyclopedia. Kitten Pyramid has been deleted as meeting WP:CSD, as it was seen as unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. This article needs to be rewritten from scratch from reliable, third party sources unconnected to the subject.

Information on content and common pitfalls to avoid can be located here and here, however be aware that this is not an exhaustive list. Pages can sometimes avoid these pitfalls and still be seen as an ad copy or unambiguously promotional, particularly if the editor appears to be a paid editor or has some other conflict of interest. Please review these policies, including the FAQ page on organizations to determine if this applies to you.

Common mistakes or beliefs about promotional editing center on the assumption that promotional editing only applies to promotion for commercial gain. Some tags or G11 nominations are met with confusion by creators, particularly if they spend much time reading or creating corporate documents, mission/vision statements, or similar copy for their organization. The frequent exposure to promotional tone may make it difficult to notice non-neutral phrases or styles, as the editor has grown accustomed to seeing it as everyday writing or speech. This can be difficult, but not impossible, to unlearn.

Another common assumption is that the prohibition against promotional editing applies only to businesses or organizations. Anything can be promoted, including a person, a non-commercial organization, a point of view, etc. and CV/resumé's are by their nature promotional.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia-- subjects must meet notability guidelines with reliable sources that are  unconnected with the subject and providing verifiable information. '''That generally means someone unconnected with the subject needs to have written a great deal about the subject. ''' Please see this page on citing sources. This page has templates you can use in citing your sources. Place the template at the bottom of the page, and references cited in the text will appear there. New article creation can be difficult, but the Article Wizard can help you. The new user tutorial can help you avoid future problems. You can also ask for help at the TEAHOUSE  -- Deep fried okra  ( talk ) 16:58, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello AngieArtisticIndustries. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:AngieArtisticIndustries. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 17:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Paid editing again
As previously advised, your edits give the impression you have a financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. You were asked to cease editing until you responded by either stating that you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits, or by complying with the mandatory requirements under the Wikimedia Terms of Use that you disclose your employer, client and affiliation. Again, you can post such a disclosure on your user page at User:AngieArtisticIndustries, and the template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. Please respond before making any other edits to Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 10:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

You are mistaken. I am NOT being paid to do this. It is your assumption entirely. The work I do with artists is largely philanthropic. A collective works by mutual support and each member can act completely independently as well as within the group. Wikipedia works the same way. I feel so battered by your community now that I’m reluctant to try again to responsibly join it. Angie AngieArtisticIndustries (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok it seems rather odd then, that you are editing using your limited company name, Artistic Industries Limited. Theroadislong (talk) 11:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Not the response I was hoping for. Please do tell us. What is your off-Wiki relationship with Kitten Pyramid, please? What is the largely (but mot entirely) philanthropic work you do with artists, please? You need not receive money to be WP:PAID or WP:COI. What other edits than "helping" Kitten Pyramid and other artists you work with are you interested in? Please read WP:UPE. PAID editing is permitted. Failing to disclose is not. Thank you. -- Deep fried okra  ( talk )' 11:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Not the response I was hoping for either. It seems you prefer me guilty until proved innocent. So little encouragement and support. I used my limited company email without thinking about it. I can see now that this would be confusing. As I said I have nothing to hide. Sometimes the artist will pay me for specific work. More often than not I do things ‘gratis’ for the common good. This was to be one of those. I enjoyed editing anything that needs it and would like to continue to drop into the Wikipedia community to do this. Vicariously I get to learn all sorts of new things in new subject areas. Why do you do what you do within this community? Thanks for the PAID link. I have looked at it and have found it so complicated that I’m not sure I can complete it but I will give it a go, in a day or two. Angie AngieArtisticIndustries (talk) 11:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making things clearer. I'm here to help build and curate the world's largest free-content encyclopedia. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 11:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)