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to keep all the discussion at one place.  D Big X ray  10:41, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 15:57, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

My bad
You were correct about the GDP revert. Thanks. Fasttimes68 (talk) 16:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 16:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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Operation Jackpot
Hi, I noticed you restored some of the material from User:Frankfurt55 on Operation Jackpot. I have no objection in principle, but would recommend being cautious about his claims, because some of them seem to be contradictoy with other, equally sourced statements we had earlier.

According to the pre-Frankfurt version I restored yesterday the operation at Mongla was commanded by one "Submariner Md. Ahsanullah". This version was referenced to "Rahman, Md. Khalilur, Muktijuddhay Nou-Abhijan, p. 114, ISBN 984-465-449-1". According to Frankfurt's version, it was commanded by "Aminur Rahman, Khosru". This is sourced to "Tayeba, Khatun (1972). Naval Commando Journal. Khulna: Bijli Press. pp. 102" I cannot check either of the two offline sources and have no idea which of them is true, but given Frankfurt's obvious (and probably autobiographical) interest in Mr Aminur Rahman, I'd take his claims with a pinch of salt. This source mentions one "Ullah" and one "Khusru", which I guess might be the same individuals (I don't know anything about Bengali names), but it doesn't describe either of them as a commander.

Probably these individual soldiers' names should all be removed anyway, as none of them appears to be actually notable.

By the way, just out of curiosity, is it common with Bengali names to have part of the name set off with commas, the way Frankfurt writes this "Aminur Rahman, Khosru" guy? Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * having a clue of Bengali language The discrepancy in the leader of the attack is indeed disturbing, I would suggest going only by WP:V, as I see these edits as some kind of attempts to rewrite history using made up facts. The source that i found yesterday mentioned 4 Bengali surnames, Ullah, Sheikh, Khusru and Mondal. these refer to 4 differenct individual and it does not say in any way that Khusru did a major/special role in the event. I agree that these are individual soldiers (some sort of Marines of the Guerilla force) and as such are not individually notable.
 * No it is not common to use comma in bengali names. but in official documents comma is used in full names to differentiate surname with first name. Following wiki MOS comma should be removed.-- D Big X ray  07:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * According to this source Bangladesh war of liberation Global Media Publications p98 it says the Mongla operation was lead by "Submariner Md. Ahsanullah". Darkness Shines (talk) 10:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't locate that source anywhere. Is this the correct title? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Google yes, Darkness Shines (talk) 11:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, that one, thanks. I'm not seeing any reference to that publisher's name there though. Anyway, it should be sufficient to cast doubts on Frankfurt's statements. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In this source, which was initially provided by Frankfurt, and the google book link provided by DBig, it mentions that Khursu was part of the team that destroyed the Somalian vessel. Now, the names of the commanders do not match in the 2 sources. I really don't know how we should proceed as i am unable to determine the reliability of either source. Frankfurt did mention on my talk page and the article's talk page (which he later removed) that he had other sources to support his view and requested time to find such books, and i saw no harm in obliging.
 * I understand that autobiographical edits are strongly discouraged, but they are still allowed. Frankfurt claims that he has other books/journal that support his view, and we must ask him to provide more references. I believe he is a harmless but passionate new editor, who does not understand the rules of editing on wikipedia, and has poor english writing skills but that should not prevent him from learning and contributing. We can encourage him to provide his sources on his/article's talk page, and it can be decided if they are good or not. Thanks! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 12:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

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Kashmir conflict
I think you need to see how many NPOV violations have taken place in that article alone. I propose we request semi page protection (from IPs). Should we? And there is a potential edit war waiting to erupt of course. Mrt3366  (Talk?)   10:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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Miracle
FYI -- D Big X ray  22:14, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome! My favorites were "Water-kit powered Al-Khalid tanks" and "gravity-fuelled car". Nice, nice! :D On a serious note, I hope this does not find its way into Wikipedia, along with the numerous 'reliable' sources! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 22:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * the youtube search brings some interesting videos e.g. and this from dawn. Apparently the Government has already passed this programme as this video claims. Good Night, -- D Big X ray   22:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Your worstdreams come true. here is a RS-- D Big X ray  22:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no! :D But at least Tribune does not support the claim, only reports that there is a claim. And, Good morning! :P Anir1uph | talk | contrib 23:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am thinking of a suitable DYK by the way, any ideas ? Al-Khalid would be interesting, what say ? GM-- D Big X ray  23:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure! Definitely interested. This does seem like a good topic for DYK. And reliable reports are abundant! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 23:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure! Definitely interested. This does seem like a good topic for DYK. And reliable reports are abundant! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 23:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

DRDO Netra
Hello, hope your studies are going well. As for the article it requires an image and some work on the prose to reduce, what I call, machine-gun sentences, i.e. a series of short sentences in a paragraph that could easily flow together if the author applies a little effort.

e.g. The Netra is a quadrotor UAV with VTOL capability. It does not have moving parts apart from the rotors, which reduces the maintenance needed by the UAV. Flight manoeuvres are performed by independently controlling the speeds of the rotors. It is light-weight (1.5 kg) and portable, and is constructed using carbon fiber composites.

could be written as :-

The Netra is a lightweight UAV, constructed of carbon-fibre, that uses four rotors to provide lift and control giving a VTOL capability. With no moving parts other than the rotors, motors and transmissions the Netra requires very low maintenance and the low weight of 1.5 kg, due to its carbon-fibre construction, makes the Netra easily portable.

Hope this is helpful.Petebutt (talk) 07:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, will do so! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 10:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Consistency of naming
Dear , I do not find any consistency in naming and arranging IITs,While you wish to add Varanasi with IIT(BHU),you do not add Mumbai with IIT Bombay nor Chennai with IIT Madras.Also IIT Rajasthan reflects the name of the state and no city.In such a case IIT (BHU) is the name of the IIT and Varanasi is the location city.Since no other IITs are showing the name of location city,there is no justification for IIT(BHU).So either provide city names with each IIT or remove Varanasi from IIT(BHU).Arranging IITs should have some logical base

bmbarot1964 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmbarot1964 (talk • contribs) 07:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are referring to. Did i make any change on some article? Regards, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 09:03, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess you are referring to [Talk:Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Joint_Entrance_Examination#Ordering_of_IIT_.28BHU.29_Varanasi|this]]. I did not make any change in the article, and i simply moved on, as i saw not much value in debating over such a small issue. But i must tell you that i am not the one who is adding Varanasi to the name of the IIT. The IIT is called Indian Institute of Technology (BHU) Varanasi. Varanasi is part of the name of the institute. Regards, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 09:07, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Unit names
Hey, since I have been editing military articles mostly, I need to know, how are the military names to be written? For example 2nd Battalion; should it be written as 2 Battalion or 2nd Battalion? Thanks in advance. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 00:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey! You can see WP:MILSG, or a more direct link would be WP:MILMOS. I hope this helps! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 01:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks man, cheers! -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 14:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Your input needed on proposed changes to National missile defense
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Your worst Dreams (re Miracle)
.... has found its way Agha Waqar's Water Fuelled Car -- D Big X ray  13:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn! The mess that it has now become. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm what shocks me is not the Quack himself, but the fact that the Pakistani scientific community (assuming it exists) is still unable to expose the quack.-- D Big X ray  14:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

A bit of help?
Hey man, I wanted a bit of help, with uploading images, where can I find licensing info about an image? -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 16:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The permission to use an image is derived from the license/copyright under which it was released. That info usually accompanies the image. See for example, File:Sudarshan bomb.jpg. I uploaded it from here and if you scroll to the lower part of that webpage, under "Total Pageviews", you can see this: "Open Source. This work by V2 is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.0". If no such info is given on the website that hosts the image, it is assumed to be not free. In that case, it is not possible to use the image on wikipedia. I am not very experienced in this, so you might ask User:DBigXray for the details about a particular case.
 * Also, you may contact the publisher of the image (or hosting website) for a free permission to use the image on Wikipedia. If they agree, you can forward the mail to Volunteer Response Team, who will assign the appropriate license to the image.
 * I know it is a frustrating process, but Wikipedia takes copyrights very seriously, mostly as it may cause legal troubles for the website, so read Guide to image deletion, Image use policy and File copyright tags. (yeah, its a lot to read, so take your time :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 17:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If in doubt, drop a bomb on WP:MCQ-- D Big X ray  17:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

By the way, by citing this as the permission allowance, http://www.unmultimedia.org/photo/guidelines.jsp Can I upload photos authored by the UN freely? And then what licensing template should I put. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The page in its opening para says "UN photos cannot be altered, sold, redistributed or used to create derivative works." The images are allowed to be reproduced non-commercially (like on wikipedia), but that initial statement will prevent it from its use on wikipedia, as it is not a free use license. You can read this conversation for some details: User_talk:Electriccatfish2. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 17:28, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * So that means I must not upload works of UN, unless granted explicit permission? -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 18:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that is what i make out of it. This is because the license issued by UN, and the license required/issued by Wikipedia for the content it hosts is not fully compatible. You can confirm that on WP:MCQ or from an admin. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 18:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * K, thanks for the help. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

institute of national importance
i have given the reference of Indian Institute of Information Technology Design and Manufacturing as an Institute of national importance. The site was an official AICTE website. there is a mistake from your side plz correct it as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parneetsinghc (talk • contribs) 07:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what this refers to. Can you provide a link? Thanks! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * this ? -- D Big X ray  14:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No i got that, but both the lead section of Institutes of National Importance, and Indian_Institutes_of_Information_Technology, along with the cited link to the current MHRD list here does not say IIITs have been declared as INI. Also, this link states literally hundreds of universities as INI if i go by this, i think that source isnt reliably classifying the various institutes. What do you think? Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * this list seems reasonable and reliable. i will only follow this. the other links you gave dont say anything about INI. -- D Big X ray  14:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So, we are in agreement. Matter closed. :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

http://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/IIITBill-2010.pdf check this link it is also official it is the 2010 IIIT Bill and Chapter 1 Section 2 clearly state that all the IIITs are declared as Institute of National Importance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parneetsinghc (talk • contribs) 13:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't that a bill, and not a law? Has it been passed/signed by the parliament? Anir1uph | talk | contrib 17:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

What you think why will they post the bill on the MHRD official site if it is not passed. I myself is IIITian so as a student I know better about my Institute and everybody else who is a technical student. I dont know what source you trust but I dont think I can help anymore to edit this article let it be. P.S. google it once you will know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parneetsinghc (talk • contribs) 14:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Need help
(Data from world bank) and they say that India's GDP (nominal) in 2011 was $1.84798 trillion and GDP (PPP) was $4.47 trillion. But the Economy of India states them as $1.676 trillion and $4.457 trillion respectively. What is more accurate do you know? You might google it. Mrt 3366   (Talk page?)   13:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay in my reply. Generally IMF or World Bank figures are cited. See for example List of countries by GDP (nominal) or List of countries by GDP (PPP). - Anir1uph | talk | contrib 20:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes the first link is backed by world bank. Check here. Mrt  3366   (Talk page?)   15:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * The permission is mentioned on the webpage. You just need to scroll down, where it says this: "This work by V2 is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.0." I had already explained this to another sysop Future Perfect at Sunrise; the link to that conversation is at the talk page of the file, or a direct link is here. I hope this satisfies you. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 18:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks I can now see the license but I doubt that the image belongs to them as it is just somebodies personal website. It looks more like an official photograph. If they are using a UK licence and we must presume a UK base then how did they take an image in India! Perhaps we chould take it to WP:PUF for other opinions. MilborneOne (talk) 19:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think it is an official image. And all the images on their website come with the open source license. At least the deletion tag can be removed? Of course, i am biased here, as i spent a lot of time looking for images to add to the article Sudarshan laser-guided bomb (that i created) and this is the only image i found that came with a suitable license. :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 19:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am happy for you to remove the deletion tag that doesnt mean I believe the license! it is not specific to that image (the site has the same licence on every page) and as far as I can see the same image appeared on a number of similar blog sites at about the same time. A home-grown website is not exactly a reliable source or a source for images taken on what would be an air-to-air image taken during a military trial of a new weapon. Sorry doesnt add up. MilborneOne (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe the blogs copied the image from the site. I know it is tricky, but i would say that there is a website that has released the image on a free license, and i had contacted the website for direct permission to use this image, and they had given me the permission to use this image on Wikipedia via email. Perhaps i could forward their mail to you? Wikipedia required proper permissions for images to keep their ass covered legally, and if that is done, then there should be no problem in keeping an image, right? Anir1uph | talk | contrib 19:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I would request you to remove the speedy deletion tag on the image. The reason that "This file is missing evidence of permission. It is sourced to V2, and while a copyright tag has been applied, there is no proof that the author agreed to license the file under the given license." is invalid as V2 had indeed issued the required open source license. The validity of the license is being questioned by you here, and there is no broad consensus for that. So it is not fit for speedy deletion, as it requires discussion. Thanks! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 22:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info, I have removed the tag. It might help if you did forward the email to OTRS but as the website has the licence it may not be strictly required. MilborneOne (talk) 11:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! I did forward it to them but since it did not comply with the required format, the OTRS volunteer asked for another mail, and i dropped the matter as a license was available anyways. Thanks again! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 11:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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