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About an edit by User Kokkarani on our talkpage dated 22 December
We have noticed your continuous removal of 'Parambil' from articles related to Palliveettil Chandy. We have undone those edits since there are ample references to the house name.Anjuvannam (talk) 08:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hello User:Br Ibrahim john!!! It's been quite a long time since I've seen you in Wiki, bout 2 months or so... Hey, I really wanted to tell you something, many have been continuously vandalizing the article about our Mar Joseph Kallarangat, by defaming him. If you could, please check it and sort it out. And also I noticed an edit where you mentioned the establishment of the Angamaly Soonooro Jacobite Syriac Orthodox Church as 1542 AD... Actually it's quite older...to be precise it is 409 AD... please do make a correction on that...And this time I recommend you to stay away from editing articles about ancient priests of the Syro Malabar Church like you did in your previous accounts as some random ass IP addresses and Admins may catch you...So please remember the correction about the Angamaly Jacobite Church...okay then bye... 117.230.28.209 (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry 117.230.28.209, We didn't get that. You have misunderstood us. All the information we have included in the Angamaly Church article is referenced. We do not think we need to do anything about Joseph Kallarangat. To the best of our knowledge we could not find any major error in that article. Anjuvannam (talk) 10:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Br Ibrahim john, you didn't recognise me??? I helped you to create that Angamaly Padiyola article and all...But what you added in that Angamaly Jacobite Church is kinda wrong as Angamaly Martha Mariam Soonoro church and Angamaly Geevarghese Sahada Churches were both established in the 3rd century (409 AD and 450 AD)... please do check it and correct it... tankq — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.28.171 (talk) 11:03, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * 117.230.28.209


 * 1) We told you in our previous reply that you have misunderstood us. To be clear, we are not Br Ibrahim john.
 * 2) We are ready to resolve your doubts regarding the Angamaly Jacobite Church. If possible, mention the subject on the talk page of that article. Doing so may benefit other users with similar doubts in the future. That being said, we have no difficulty in interacting with you right here. Anjuvannam (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I think there is a grammatical mistake... shouldn't it be "I" not "we"...are you an organisation or something??? I felt that your edits were too close to that of User:Br Ibrahim john...a sockmaster but a good one...he also had created some awesome articles and contributed very nicely to Wikipedia..like you had also edited on articles about old Syro Malabar priests...that is why I asked you...Btw aren't you an Angamalikkaran??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.28.171 (talk) 11:32, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * 117.230.28.209, We are not Angamaly residents. Our permanent presence is in Pala. We are Anjuvannam and we have plurality. That is why we use plural pronouns. This may sound strange to you but this is a practice of ours. Who do you mean by old Syro-Malabar priests? The article we created a while ago is about a Nestorian archdeacon. Before that we had created two articles about two Syro-Malabar priests. But we created those articles because one of them is a notable historian in India and the other is a notable linguist. Anjuvannam (talk) 11:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Anjuvannam, sorry I misunderstood you for another user with whom I was close with...Btw I'm really curious about what is "Anjuvannam", I'm a Nasrani and I've heard about Anjuvannam being an Assyrian migrant community within the Saint Thomas Syrian Christians of Kerala...is it really what I think it is...is Anjuvannam a community or organisation..is it like the Knanaya???...Just being curious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.173.163 (talk) 17:20, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * 117.230.28.209, you may refer the article on Anjuvannam. It was an ancient trade guild with non-native members including paradesi jews and southist Christians (Knanaya).Anjuvannam (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Anjuvannam, does this still exist...me being a Nasrani with some Assyrian blood would love to know more about it...(Like my great grandfather 10 generations ago was from Syria, infact he was the brother of Mar Anthrayos)...Are you part of the community??? Are you people Saint Thomas Syrian Christians???


 * 117.230.28.209, As a trade guild, it does not exist now. Only the Knanaya section among Saint Thomas Christians used to form a part of Anjuvannam. Northist Saint Thomas Christians are associated with Manigramam.
 * If you want to talk about Angamaly Cheriyapally, we are ready for a discussion. Anjuvannam (talk) 07:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Anjuvannam, actually where is this place located??? Like which were the major cities in Kerala where the Anjuvannam merchant group lived and all... I've heard there was an ancient trade path passing through Poonjar-Aruvithura-Pala-Athirampuzha-Kudavechoor-Chennamkary-Champakulam and eventually Purakkad seaport...are these the locations where they dwelt??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.165.119 (talk) 20:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


 * 117.230.165.119, Anjuvannam was mostly engaged in coastal and overseas trade. Therefore, they were based in the port cities of Kodungallur, Kollam and Kayamkulam. At the same time Manigramam, as you said, worked in the countryside as well as in the ports.Anjuvannam (talk) 06:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Anjuvannam, okay now I understand so basically the Knanaya were part of this trade route before the 10th century right??? After that they migrated to southern parts like Kaduthuruthy (in the 4rth century), Udayamperoor, Thodupuzha, Kottayam etc...Oh maybe that's how Anjuvannam ended... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.3.223 (talk) 04:39, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 117.230.3.223, That's not really the case. When the Persian and Byzantine Empires came under the Muslim Caliphate The international trade network, especially the Arabian Sea trade, came under the control of the Arabs. The capture of Kodungallur town by the Kozhikode army was a great setback for the Christians and the Jews. Following the arrival of Vasco da Gama, maritime trade came under complete European control. All of these factors led to Anjuvannam's downfall.Anjuvannam (talk) 12:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)