User talk:AnkaraTUA

Who are you AnkaraTUA and why you care about genetics so much? I would not be surprised if you are one of breeders or Leslie Lyons friends, who is afraid that Wikipedia may hurt her credibility! --Ankara Kedisi 05:46, 1 June 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankarakediler (talk • contribs)

I continue to remove your posts because Wikipedia is not the place to have a debate. If there is a debate on a point, it should not be posted as if it is fact. You continue to misinterpret all of the data you post, and until you post it as a fact - rather than your opinion or interpretation of the fact - it is inappropriate for entry. You continue to link to your personal website - that is personal promotion, which again is prohibited on wikipedia.

This is a place to debate. Wikipedia wants well researched articles, not one sided position.I am giving a contrary evidence to your claim and all you do simply ignore. --Ankara Kedisi 06:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

!''Where I misinterpreted? All the data? Why don't explain why Ankara Zoo cat is Turkish Van according to that report (this part was not shared with public however!). Alright we know that probably that cat was only Turkish cat from that Zoo, but its completely ignored. Sure it's hard to do a good science. How about L. Lyons unpublished study which tries to show Cyprus cats are distinct population? I know about this too, but nobody can find such a study as she works for CFA and cat breeder's interests. This researcher obviously has an agenda, but you support it and refuse to see inconsistencies ofthe study, juat because it supports what you believe. This kind of science done by L. Lyons and unwillingness to explain questionable conclusions made by her, is called nothing but PSEUDOSCİENCE!

Please add your signature or something how can people know who is writing!--Ankara Kedisi  06:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

You can edit Wikipedia if you wish, but I am not sure you will remove analysis of L. Lyons studies from a website. I know people who are willing investigate these findings and there are many mistakes in there. We will see what you will talk to us after. Then you and Mrs. L. Lyons will need to answer these questions. They won't be easy. Science isn't a dogma, it can be wrong too. It must be questioned. It is not enough to do a study and claim that you have done a strong science. Accept that it is imperfect. Let be honest the study of Turkish cat genetics is a piece of pseudoscience and should be treated as such. L. Lyons told to that breeder of Ankara zoo cat Do not try to interpretate mystudy and accept what I am saying. Yeah this what scientist should tell: believe me cuz I am saying you to, instead of clarifying some flaws of the study. I can't explain every cat nor can youwas written in her email. Purely ignorance. Very sad.--Ankara Kedisi 06:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I do not misinterpret all of the data. Did you look at any of this data I posted? You just ignore. Everything. It's not my website! It's just a link to prove existence of this cat which is useful for interpretation. What can I do if you hate that breeder, he isn't my friend either. This is about a cat not him. Clearly see in that website written: Ankara Zoo resident so this is what I am for not promote him. This cat was the only one Ankara Zoo cat in that study, so bad I have to use just that sample. Researcher was not interested to get more samples from Ankara Zoo. How serious that study is unbelievable.... Why Ankara Zoo cat? It's Turkish street cat! many acts here will be similar to zoo cats. Yet this cat is so different from other Turkish Angoras. This is so wrong and nobody can see this!--Ankara Kedisi 06:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I repeat one more time: It's not my website. if u want u can remove it but how will anybody know what cat I am talking about? Alright I know you don't care about all of this as it is against what you believe. But lets be honest, there is something wrong about study but you are too lazy or don't want to consider all the evidence. --Ankara Kedisi 23:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

AnkaraTUA,

further edits to remove misleading statements Please share with us your evidence not dismissing my research. Would you explain me why Turkish Angoras from USA and Europe were related to North African and western cat populations? It's suppose to be a natural breed. This is not I am saying it's a peer reviewed scientific study. I know L. Lyons made another study for proving Cyprus cats are different in order to recognize it as a breed. But nobody knows about such a study it was never published so it's not worth to talk about it.

How about Ankara Zoo cats? sample 9575 was real Ankara Zoo import, but its DNA is not same to pedigree Angora cats. Yet we know Ankara Zoo cat is just another street cat, which happens to be white.

Please do not ignore this sample, this is an example a very important one. I shared reference to breeders website just to show this cat actually exists, not advertise the breeder!

You are fast to point that Angora and Van cats were distinct from each other, but you forgot to mention that pedigree Angoras are not even similar to Turkish strays, so for sure they will be different!

I have the original research papers with sample numbers, notes and other data showing 9575 and one Cyprus cat classified as Van type D. At the moment I am thinking how to publish all this data, as it looks like conspiracy, but its not.

personal agenda Every day you come here to edit this Wikipedia page I wonder how you aren't tired. It makes me think you are one of these Angora breeders, who doesn't like the results of study and try to censor them. This ambitious editing could not be explained by other words but 'Personal agenda''. You obviously fear that people may believe what I am writing. I have nothing to hide and I did excessive research on this subject so please deal with my arguments and if you have better evidence, we would love to see this.

Wikipedia wants us to be unbiased and think critically. I can't simply post from one point of view while there is a data that shows everything so different. I think people should know this.

I hope to put the analysis of this research in a website with all documents and samples I got and give better picture about genetics of Turkish Angora. I rely on science and critical thinking.

If you still insist to delete my contribution to Wikipedia (and you will), I have no choice but to undone your editions.

Kind Regards

A member of Turkish Angora association in Turkey.

Please deal with my arguments not remove them! I feel you have personal agenda.
AnkaraTUA,

further edits to remove misleading statements Please share with us your evidence not dismissing my research. Would you explain me why Turkish Angoras from USA and Europe were related to North African and western cat populations? It's suppose to be a natural breed. This is not I am saying it's a peer reviewed scientific study. I know L. Lyons made another study for proving Cyprus cats are different in order to recognize it as a breed. But nobody knows about such a study it was never published so it's not worth to talk about it.

How about Ankara Zoo cats? sample 9575 was real Ankara Zoo import, but its DNA is not same to pedigree Angora cats. Yet we know Ankara Zoo cat is just another street cat, which happens to be white.

Please do not ignore this sample, this is an example a very important one. I shared reference to breeders website just to show this cat actually exists, not advertise the breeder!

You are fast to point that Angora and Van cats were distinct from each other, but you forgot to mention that pedigree Angoras are not even similar to Turkish strays, so for sure they will be different!

I have the original research papers with sample numbers, notes and other data showing 9575 and one Cyprus cat classified as Van type D. At the moment I am thinking how to publish all this data, as it looks like conspiracy, but its not.

personal agenda Every day you come here to edit this Wikipedia page I wonder how you aren't tired. It makes me think you are one of these Angora breeders, who doesn't like the results of study and try to censor them. This ambitious editing could not be explained by other words but 'Personal agenda. You obviously fear that people may believe what I am writing. I have nothing to hide and I did excessive research on this subject so please deal with my arguments and if you have better evidence, we would love to see this.

Wikipedia wants us to be unbiased and think critically. I can't simply post from one point of view while there is a data that shows everything so different. I think people should know this.

I hope to put the analysis of this research in a website with all documents and samples I got and give better picture about genetics of Turkish Angora. I rely on science and critical thinking.

If you still insist to delete my contribution to Wikipedia (and you will), I have no choice but to undone your editions.

Kind Regards

A member of Turkish Angora association in Turkey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankarakediler (talk • contribs) 21:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Turkish Angora. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_Angora&action=history page history]. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.  Theopolisme  TALK 21:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Turkish Angora with this edit. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. RA talkcontribs 21:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Turkish Angora shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. RA talkcontribs 21:57, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Response re: undo revision
How is it that you accuse me of vandalism, when another individual is doing the same to my edits? This person violates the rules of posting - one, the work is not his original work, or even his work; two, that it is not a neutral position. The article should be removed or flagged as disputed, as this poster is engaging in fraud while accusing others of fraud. Wiki should not give him a forum to do so.

Fraud? Please show me where is fraud. you just IGNORE!--Ankara Kedisi 05:57, 1 June 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankarakediler (talk • contribs)

--Ankara Kedisi 23:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)Your edits re mainly to remove what I wrote. How can it be called as edit?

response re: undo revision
My edits remove content that is disputed, not original work, and from a non-neutral position. I removed them for these reasons. The edits are to remove content that according to Wikipedia rules, is not supposed to be there. And "edit" is any change, it need not mean new content.

response re: Ankarakediler
It is disputed because you don't like it. I don't misinterpret anything but you don't want to look deeper in this issue. I doubt you know much how science works.You consider both sides and contradicting evidence. I posted a samples as example. But sorry how many Ankara Zoo or at least Turkish cats study got? A few at least. All design is wrong. People know nothing about the study sure they may think its kind of conspiracy. It is not.

It's from neutral position. I am sorry but that Ankara Zoo cat sample is genuine Turkish cat. Not many were in that study so I use it as example not advertise a breeder. This i the last thing I want to do. If there were other Ankara cats then İ would show these. Take a look at Turkish Van DNA picture and say what you think. You seem to ignore everything and accuse me having personal agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankarakediler (talk • contribs) 22:58, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

In response to your feedback
If it hasn't been fixed you can create a new section on my talk page and I'll do what I can.

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