User talk:Ann Kyslowski

Hi Ann :) I hope you like the place and choose to stay.


 * It's not a place, it's a web. One can't stay where there isn't any place for a body to sit down and stew.  But I guess I can keep editing. Ann Kyslowski 23:36, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) (do I have to sign things on my own talk page?  I won't.  If people add things that I like, I'll leave them there ambiguous, and if not, I'll remove them or sign).

And it looks like you already know your way around a wiki


 * You'd be amazed how many people use this software. And how common problems like censoring Talk: pages and attacking people for reasons that have nothing to do with the topic, are.  There are little tin gods everywhere.

-- or perhaps you're just a fast learner! In the latter case, here are some links that may be of use:
 * Welcome, newcomers
 * How to edit a page
 * Village pump - ask questions you may have here, or leave a message on my talk page


 * Village pumps on large wikis are a bad idea - every attempt to say anything more than a sound bite leads to an edit conflict. So no thanks.  I will ask things of people who seem to know what they're talking about on specific topics.  But I'm a member of enough communities that I don't want to join any more.  I'm editing things because people shove Wikipedia articles in my face and act as if what they say is real.  Since Wikipedia is in my face, I might as well get in Wikipedia's face.  Fair?  It's not like I have that much of a choice.

Thanks so much for you're weighing in on Talk:Racism.


 * Hopefully what I added to the article is even more useful. The idea that race has an article about the concept instead of being about racing is offensive to me, frankly.  Racism is real.  Race isn't.  Quote me if you want.

Keep contributing! :) BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; 23:25, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * Noticing the weird redirect on outing, I dug in the page history to find the most exact version, and I've restored some censored talk. That's the kind of stuff I think is most useful to do.  It sucks to have to look in page history to find useful things, but, that seems to be the way it works on wikis.

Hi again -- just a friendly (I hope!) suggestion. I'm a political activist, and I'm quite used to strongly worded statements and people being very open up front about being offended. However, a lot of people at Wikipedia will not assume good faith if their early interactions feel confrontational. And sarcasm/sarcastic humor doesn't work too well at Wikipedia either, in my experience. For example, I can't tell above for certain if It's not a place, it's a web is meant to make me smile or to be more careful with my language -- but I'm assuming the former. BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; 23:46, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * No offense, but, text other than poetry is for confrontation and controversy, not for making others feel nice. If you want warm fuzzies, go visit your mother.  Don't send her email.  My correction about "place" is valid, and I don't apologize for it.  If it makes you smile, smile, but don't use slack language with me, I've seen the harm it can do.


 * And people who don't like sarcasm, won't like me, period, so I would rather they learn this up front so we don't waste each other's time.


 * In a phrase, your feelings aren't my problem, nor my concern. Fair?  We're "here", if you insist on this metaphor, to get certain things right not wrong, and do more good than harm.  And if this "assume good faith" thing is a policy here, well then, why do you need an external link to talk about it?

As far as I know, nobody has done anything to me, so I would not worry too much about repercussions. (I'm referring to something you said on talk: race.) Maybe I'm already dead, however, one never knows. ;-) P0M


 * Anyone kicking racist ass has a friend on this page, that's my only point. Peace.  But not before justice, baby.  Ann Kyslowski 00:18, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

You should not edit other people's comments on talk pages as you did here: http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Racism&diff=1979064&oldid=1978982 It is not how things are done on this wiki. See this page: Talk page. BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; 02:19, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * 1. Maybe something got clobbered in a conflict. If so, it wasn't my intent.


 * 2. If "it is not how things are done on this wiki" then how come talk:economics had useful talk removed from it? I had to restore it before adding my comment, because it was relevant to what I was about to say.  Ann Kyslowski 02:43, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * 3. If I'm going to have to dig in page histories to find other people's comments, then I'm going to have less time to take special care to respect yours. You want to fix 1, then, fix 2.  Until then, I'll deal with an edit conflict by clobbering.  When there's a real protocol for how to deal with this, with real rules "the people" agree with, I'll follow it.  Until then, every edit for itself.  I don't follow rules that "the man" doesn't follow.  Ann Kyslowski 02:43, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Somebody has edited your main page and has identified you as banned. It wasn't there an hour or so ago. P0M 04:45, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

'''This user is the hard banned User:EntmootsOfTrolls and User:142. See also User:142.177.etc.'''

Someone please inform us. I didn't read the story of how you come to conclude this. please reference -- Waveguy 03:00, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)