User talk:Anna (Bay Staatsoper)

December 2019
Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames which give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website, I have blocked this account; please take a moment to create a new account with a username that represents only yourself as an individual and which complies with our username policy or request a change of username. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline and be aware that promotional editing is not acceptable regardless of the username you choose. Additionally, if your contributions to Wikipedia form all or part of work for which you are, or expect to be, paid, you must disclose who is paying you to edit. If your username does not represent a group, organization or website, you may appeal this username block by adding the text at the bottom of your talk page. You may simply create a new account, but you may prefer to change your username to one that complies with our username policy, so that your past contributions are associated with your new username. If you would prefer to change your username, you may appeal this username block by adding the text at the bottom of your talk page. Please note that you may only request a name that is not already in use, so please check here for a listing of already taken names. Thank you. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I realize this is probably unexpected and surprising, but each Wikipedia project has it's own rules, and the English Wikipedia is somewhat more restrictive than some other projects about what kinds of usernames it allows. We also do not allow role accounts or shared accounts, each account should both represent and be controlled by a single individual. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Given the issues below, and the apparently rather bad advice/help you've received from Doc Taxon, I'm afraid I feel it is necessary to re-block your account with slightly different settings, you will need to appeal the block yourself, while providing a new username that is within policy and reasonable assurances that the account is strictly limited to access by a single individual, 'and disclose any paid editing relationship you may have with the opera company. Anew block notice will be issued below with detailed instructions on appealing. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:09, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Name
Beeblebrox, I received a message regarding this user on my German talk page. What can they do now? Ask here for a rename? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, there's two concerns here, one is the username itself as it represents a group, and the other is this edit seems to imply that the account is a shared/role account. Renaming will only fix the name problem, so probably the easiest course of action is to simply create a new account that both represents and is controlled by a single person. It can still contain the name of the opera company, so long as there is a personal identifier of some kind, i.e. @Bay Staatsoper would be fine. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:16, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear Beeblebrox! Please note, that there is an OTRS ticket to verify the identity of this user account. Please unblock the user account, the verification has been determined. Thank you very much, Doc Taxon (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * and Somebody is confused here, and it's entirely possible that it is me, because this conversation suddenly makes no sense at all tome. In the edit I referenced in my reply above to Gerda, what this user seemed to be saying was that their username was also the name of the opera company. I don't speak German, so maybe this is exactly where this all went sideways, but am I right that what you're saying is that this a personal name after all and does not represent a group? If that is the case, that was literally the only thing they needed to explain to get unblocked, OTRS was completely unecessary, there's instructions on how to appeal right here on this page in the block notice. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * this user account officially represents the Bavarian opera company, and this has been verified by OTRS ticket. So please unblock the user account. Thank you very much, Doc Taxon (talk) 23:34, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, so that's exactly what I did think and exactly why I blocked them. This name is not acceptable and EN.WP absolutely does not allow role accounts. I made all of that perfectly clear, twice, right here on this page. We also don't generally don't accept third-party unblock requests, this user needs to action, themselves, to rectify the problems that I have already thoroughly explained above. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I checked the policies and you're right. I apologize for the inconvenience. Doc Taxon (talk) 00:08, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

... which brings us back to question one. Do I understand right that they should appeal? How would they know that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, at this point they need to file an appeal. It's all detailed in the block notice. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

This is not the first time I've seen an OTRS volunteer demand we unblock a user in a manner that was contrary to policy, disruptive, and confusing to the user. Perhaps it would be best to not make such demands on the talk page of the user in question. Perhaps it would be best if you not involve yourself in unblock requests.--  Deep fried  okra    16:47, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

December 2019
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violations of the username policy on representing a group or organization, and possibly the policy on shared accounts and the Wikimedia Foundations's terms of use as regards paid editing. Any unblock request must specifically address all of these issues if it is to succeed, and you will need to make that appeal yourself and not through a third party. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I really try not to be very involved in reviewing my own blocks, but for the record I am reasonably satisfied with the above as it is clear the user is trying to operate within our policies. That's a lot more than we get from most people blocked for these type of issues. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Unblock discussion
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a venue to inform the public of all the more or less wonderful opera out there. It is an encyclopedia. Subjects of encyclopedia articles must meet notability requirements. "All content must be cited from reliable sources that are unconnected with the subject and have a reputation for fact checking." --  Deep fried  okra    16:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There are already many reviews of the danish production, even in english (google search). The Bayerische Staatsoper is one of the major german opera houses. Also Barbara Hannigan, a very famous singer of contemporary operas, belongs to the cast. So there cannot be any doubt about the notability. Of course the article will need some additional external links, but they can be added at any time. --Rodomonte (talk) 20:29, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@JBW Anna (Bay Staatsoper) is perfectly fine, thank you so much! Bay Staatsoper (talk) 13:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I am inclined to consider this unblock request favourably. However, an attempt to rename the account to "Anna@Bay Staatsoper" resulted in the message "The requested username is not valid"; evidently "@" is not permitted. You could have "Anna at Bay Staatsoper", but I can see that may not be totally suitable for an account that works mainly at at German Wikipedia. It seems that "Anna (Bay Staatsoper)" would work, if you would be happy with that. JBW (talk) Formerly JamesBWatson 13:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I have renamed your account from "Bay Staatsoper" to "Anna (Bay Staatsoper)", and I shall now unblock the account. Please make sure you look at the conflict of interest guideline (if you haven't already done so) so that you can avoid future problems. JBW (talk) Formerly JamesBWatson 21:16, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Welcome again
Happy that you a free to edit again. You may be interested in Project Opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC)