User talk:Anna Frodesiak/archive26

Advanced SystemCare
If you fancy incorporating the sources please do. I'm certainly very difficult to offend wrt such matters! Hopefully PC will see what's been done if he's actively watching it. I'm not sure what he means by him doing most of the sourcing either... WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk)  13:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to help assess WikiProject Gastropods
Hi. I am inviting members of some WikiProjects to take part in evaluating their projects in order to help the Wikimedia Foundation better understand such projects from the inside, to encourage reflection on best practices, and to compile a list of best practices as recommended by a number of projects. I am contacting you because you are listed as an active member of WikiProject Gastropods. Having witnessed that project's work in the past in my volunteer capacity, I'd very much like to include it. I hope that you will have time and interest in participating. As much or as little as you would like to supply would be gratefully received. The assessment questions are posted at WikiProject Gastropods/Self-assessment. I will myself steer clear of the page until after any discussion seems to have become dormant, at which point I will ask questions to make sure that I am developing a good overview of opinions. Thanks. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * (Wow, what a beautiful page you have! --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC))


 * Thank you. [[Image:Smile.svg]] Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Need file moved
Hi. Could you please move File:Einstein's Gift - poster 01.jpg to File:Einstein's Gift cover.jpg? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 03:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

✅ Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

ANI
The TV Station vandal is being discussed on ANI; since I had to link to your Black Sandbox, you're name has been indirectly mentioned. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of List of buses for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of buses is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of buses until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Arguments to avoid
You may want to review Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions at your convenience, paying close attention to WP:ITSUSEFUL. :) Viriditas (talk) 19:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ahh, Wise One. Good point. "How about: It's useful because visitors are able to compare attributes of various bus brands, such as year of manufacture, country of origin, etc." Is that an improvement?


 * Funny you point this out. I was just about to post on list of buses talk that maybe a table isn't such a good plan. I didn't realize that there are lots and lots of buses. I thought maybe a couple of dozen, tops. :) No table, no need for the list, right? Or maybe like List of car brands, name and year. I don't know.


 * I do know that there are really fanatical bus people out there who will love the table. There's something about buses and trains. Some folks are really into them. What do you think? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I just commented over at the AfD. SchuminWeb nominated the list for deletion against the best practice of WP:NOTDUP: "arguing that a Category or List is duplicative of the other in a deletion debate is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided."  As the second most active contributor to the navigational template, SchuminWeb "should not compete against [other editors] in a destructive manner, such as by nominating the complementary work of their colleagues to be deleted just because they overlap." Viriditas (talk) 20:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Good comment at the AfD. I encountered the same "overlap is not bad" argument when preparing the first navboxes I made. In this case, the list and the navbox are really two different things, so I don't see why he objects.


 * So, are my additional comments at AfD an improvement? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * He objects because he is a primary contributor of a competing template. This is why WP:CLN says "Developers of these redundant systems should not compete against each other in a destructive manner, such as by nominating the complementary work of their colleagues to be deleted just because they overlap."  Your additional comments are great. Viriditas (talk) 00:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I find that difficult to understand because he's an admin, and as such should know the guidelines and see that the navbox is about something different. Maybe he will withdraw the AfD. I can't see it ending in delete, although it may eventually be moved to List of bus brands or something. Maybe I'll drop him a line. He seems like a nice fellow.


 * Thanks once again for the guidance. I would really be quite lost without you. My problem is that I've a head like a sieve when it comes to guidelines. I rely on common sense. Mostly that works out. Then again, "They mostly come at night.....mostly." Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:28, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Common sense rules the day. The only reason we even use policies and guidelines is to fill in the holes where people lack common sense.  In other words, know and understand the policies and guidelines as best as you can, but if you are relying on common sense, you are welcome to ignore all rules because policy and guidelines are really, at their core, supposed to reflect common sense.  Whenever I see an intractable problem, it becomes obvious that one or more editors lacks common sense.  When discussion fails, we appeal to policy and guidelines.  When that fails, we appeal to consensus.  When that fails, we go to dispute resolution. As for admins, they are people too, and for the most part, they specialize in one or two areas.  The community (like the real world) does not encourage or recognize generalists, and tends to nominate specialists. This means, essentially, that most admins are very good in only one area, so this isn't difficult to understand, it is a social/cultural phenomenon.  If I were you, I would continue working on improving the list.  Write a lead, consult with the bus project, keep getting more input like you are on the talk page.  Discussion is important, but so is research and development.  The best way to save an article in AfD is to listen to the criticism, meet it, and improve the article.  Make note of your improvement in the AfD and the closer will recognize your efforts. Viriditas (talk) 01:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You see, this is why you should be in charge. When I asked why you don't want to be an admin, you cleverly, simply, didn't answer. Rather like Harvey Korman at the end of Blazing Saddles. You just slipped out. :)


 * Now, according to your reasoning about using common sense: I'm a genius, and anyone at arbitration should be in a special home for challenged Wikipedians.


 * I will take your sound advice about the bus thing. Geez. First wrestling, then a play, and now buses. Not my cup of tea at all. I still have the superclusters to expand. Get it? Expand? Space? Er...ok. But seriously, next to Universe, Hercules Superclusters may be the biggest article on Wikipedia. Huge! It's width is actually measured in "Pavarottis"! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:11, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are a genius. I first became aware of this when I saw what you were trying to do with your user page.  In many ways, your user page represents a prototype for the "holy grail" of interface design, the zooming user interface, which frankly, nobody is doing anything about.  Viriditas (talk) 02:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I am? Thank you. Ok, I'll give you fifteen bucks if you tell that to my parents. Deeds don't impress them. They need testimonials. Perhaps I can get them committed as "mad". I wonder if that means a lot of annoying paperwork. I'll look into it.


 * As for my userpage, it's that tiny tool that's cool. But really, the reason my page looks the way it does, is because I can't bear to have anything that is mass produced. When I was a kid, I saw on TV, James Burke (I think) say: "Look in your pockets. Everything you have is one of millions of copies exactly the same." Ever since then, I've had an aversion to such things, and I have a deep appreciation for unique objects. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Qwyrxian: Of course you know I don't think you should be "in a special home for challenged Wikipedians". I know you got drawn into it. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, sometimes I wouldn't mind such a home...I could rest easily, maybe catch up on my reading, etc. Alas, I find myself drawn to some areas of WP that are now and always will be in conflict (so long as the subjects they are about are a part of real-world conflict).  Plus, I meet interesting people that way--as I recall, you and I met trying to handle some disruption at Dog meat.... But, of course, no offense taken--I will certainly agree that avoiding ArbCom is certainly a very very good plan for almost everyone...several editors have accused me of some pretty unpleasant things...and I just have to trust that Arbcom sees where the actual disruption is coming from. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:17, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

For your parents
Per your request, this is for your parents. You are now a certified genius! :) Viriditas (talk) 10:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ha ha! I love it! And you even got it notarized! I will put one copy with my awards, and another on the fridge. Thank you! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Your abuse response case.
I made an SPI case instead since some of the IPs seem related and your case should of been of SPI. I am rejecting your case and marking it as SPI. Please participate in WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Parrot32X. Ebe 123  (+) $talk Contribs$ 10:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Acknowledged. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * And thanks for taking the time to separate the IPs and move it over. I forgot to thank you for that. And sorry to dump it in your lap. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

email
Hi Anna. Just wondering if you got my email yesterday. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 15:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I just did. I have a busy weekend coming up off-wiki, but would love to IRC with you after that. I have a million questions. Thank you very much. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't get nearly as much time on IRC as I used to and generally only pop on for 30 mins at a time, but I'll see what I can do :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:12, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Navbox for gastropods
Hi Anna, I am still out in CA (for an extra week because of a knee injury) and still mulling over the idea of a gastropods navbox. I still do like the idea of a simple one with just the major clades in it. I think it would be really cool to have that one, even if we only used it on the 41 major clades articles. Best to you, oh talented one! Invertzoo (talk) 21:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I will put something together. By the way, someone ate the clam picture in the edibles navbox. Also, What of the seashell template? Anything's better than salmon. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You are very kind, but please take your time Anna if you are busy in RL. I confess it was me that ate those clams! Until we can get hold of a prettier image of a dish of cooked clams, for now I think those river nerites look rather beautiful in their white bowl, especially at thumbnail size.


 * As for the seashell template, I actually couldn't work out which numbers you are supposed to put in for the colors. I do think a pale apricot might be good since that color is called "Seashell", but if it comes out as bandage beige it's not too great! And if you think that pale yellow is a better choice, we could go with that, whatever looks tasteful and low key. Unfortunately I don't have too much time to play around because I can't get WiFi reception in our motel room, only out in the courtyard here. It's some distance from the door to our room and so it is hard for me to limp out here with my crutches. As a result I don't spend as much time on Wp as I would like to right now, even though I can't do anything else really! Invertzoo (talk) 22:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm so sorry to hear about your knee. I hope it gets back to normal soon.


 * I know you ate my plate of clams. But somebody else ate your bowl of nerites. Now the template is molluskless (which is more fun to say than "wasps").


 * To find out what colour goes with the name at List of colors or a colour navbox, you can click edit in a separate tab or click the color name itself to find the HEX number.


 * I've given up on pinks and oranges. I spent a lot of time trying those, and they just ended up band-aid colour. I'm afraid I'll have to leave that up to you. I still prefer the yellows because they can be pale, and are the colour of sand. But that's just me, and I will accept anything quite happily.


 * All the best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Anna! I think pale yellow or sand color would be just fine for the seashell template. Fee free to just put it in if you can be bothered to. All the best, Invertzoo (talk) 23:29, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

How about Apricot and Lemon chiffon as listed under Yellow on this page? But I still don't understand where you find the HEX number for those. Duh.... Maybe my sprained knee is affecting my brain! Invertzoo (talk) 20:50, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

List of buses
213 is editing. To avoid an edit conflict, please do not edit untill it's gone. Thank you.--213.107.74.132 (talk) 09:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Hello and welcome. Please check the messages at your talk page. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. It's not really appropriate to remove someone's inuse, replace it with your own, and then warn the person that you're editing. :) You're new, so I won't complain. But, I'm just saying for next time. Feel free to edit. I'll wait until you're done. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:52, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've done and i'm going to get rid of it.--213.107.74.132 (talk) 09:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and sorry to interfere with your edits. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Bus Gallery
I've replyed to the Bus Gallery in Talk:List of buses — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.74.132 (talk) 09:57, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed, and replied. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

List of buses
Why did someone remove Shiny and safe! What more do you want from a bus?--213.107.74.132 (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Because it was unencyclopedic. Would you expect to read an Encyclopedia Britannica article that said that? Certainly not.


 * They also removed comments you made from the article talk. I didn't quite agree with that, but I can understand it completely. I strongly suggest that you follow other editors' manner of conduct. Then you will be taken more seriously. Best wishes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But it was you that added it to talk in the first place!--213.107.74.132 (talk) 11:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No it wasn't. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at this.--213.107.74.132 (talk) 12:01, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah. I see. I thought you were referring to the comments you made that were removed from talk. Yes. I did write "Shiny and safe! What more do you want in a bus?" But that was in a sample table at the talk page. You added "Shiny and safe! What more do you want in a bus?" to the article. Do you see the difference? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Registering
I don't want to register, I just want a user page under my IP address.--213.107.74.132 (talk) 11:51, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Fine by me. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Reply
If you reply, you should send a message to come here on my talk page.--213.107.74.132 (talk) 12:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reminding me. I forgot you don't have a watchlist because you're not registered. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Wenzhou Medical College
Anna you have no idea about our company and our operations. We are not simply the recruitment agents. We also provide scholarships to student intending to study in Chinese Universities. Recruitment departments of most of universities worldwide are commercial entities. I really dont have patience of explaining you. Please discuss with other editors about what you are doing now. They may give you a neutral opinion. This year around 150 international students are joining Wenzhou Medical College and about 50% students are recruited by us. No one can apply directly to Wenzhou Medical College. All applicant should go through selection process through us. We hold seminars, entry tests, spot admissions etc etc...Do you think a fraudulent company can have Govt scholarships quota, and cooperation with top public universities of China? Wmc.cosmo (talk) 17:14, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You are using Wikipedia to promote your organization. Your addition of the wzmu.net watermarked images is evidence of that.
 * Your website is deceptive as it hides the links to bestcolleges and because it appears as the official university website.
 * Another editor contends that your site is not credible.


 * So, the onus is upon you, if you have the patience, to demonstrate the legitimacy of this website, and the need for its inclusion into Wikipedia articles. You need to demonstrate this to the Wikipedia community, and get consensus. Until then, please do not add the following websites (or any other sites that link to them):
 * jutcm.com
 * wzmu.net
 * bestcollegeschina.com
 * wenzhouuniversity.com


 * Thank you, and have an educational day. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

At http://www.wzmc.edu.cn/en/, the offical site, an email "wzmc.net" is given. No mention of your similar "wzmu.net". If your site is the "offical partner", then why not just ask the university to add your website to their official website? That would clear all this up, right? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!
"Blip! Fizzzzzz." (Anna drops half a valium into the tea.) "Schluuuurrrpppp...... Aahhhhhhhhhhh." Thank you. It takes an awful lot to exhaust my patience, but that fella's edits did the trick. I'm still kicking myself for not checking Urinary bladder and Bus earlier. His edits were a real bone in my throat while putting List of buses together. Well, unless a smelly sock pops up, we can have six months of peace before he reemerges, does the exact same thing, and gets indeffed. Thanks again for the tea. :) Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems like the user is interested in cars and buses. I wonder if there is a way to get him to work on one article in his user space, either new or a cleanup job, and focus on that subject for a week or two to show his good faith. Viriditas (talk) 09:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You know me. I have patience and trust. The user is a serial troll and vandal. At least 4 blocks at wikipedia, 2 at simple wikipedia, and who knows what else. I don't believe a word he says. I think he's stringing us along in hopes of continuing his ways. See the bottom of his talk. There are also competency issues. I would like to post at ANI for a WMF ban, if that's possible. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:42, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand. You'll make a good admin! :) Viriditas (talk) 09:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think ANI has any sway over the rest of the projects. Not sure if we can do a WMF ban - perhaps you'd need to check at meta? Oh, and I agree with Viriditas ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Your articles
Why is the article deleted?I wrote it myself.I'm so sad ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-01-05100118 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't be sad.


 * The Introduction of The Vampire Diaries may be deleted because it should be a section within The Vampire Diaries.


 * A TV play may be deleted because it is about The Vampire Diaries. The title of your article is not really the right title.


 * If you have more questions, please ask. Don't worry. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

More links
Anna, these links may not have been added to your sandbox. Thanks!--My76Strat (talk) 17:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:13, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Mao Ran
The article on the chinese student/executed drug trafficker Mao Ran has already been deleted for lack of notability. I think that it is quite possible that she is notable if one takes into account chinese language coverage which I doubt the deleting admin did. If you can show that her case has figured prominently in Chinese language media then we can reinstate the article. I am unable to do this myself for linguistic reasons ;) .·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:30, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooh. I'm afraid I never touch any sort of controversial China-related topic. Sorry I can't help there. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess that makes a lot of sense. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It was one of the student articles. I found this source. Agathoclea (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for helping out with the flood of new editors from Nanjing Normal University. bobrayner (talk) 18:03, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. And I thank you very much for your work. You were one step ahead of me. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Hello! I'm just a student from Nanjing Normal University.Thank you so much for your help.And,as you see,I just create something concerning the official forum of our school.However,now I even don't know if my writing has been passed.So,could you tell me how can I know if my text is passed.

ps:I'm very curious about that how could you find me on the Internet,for that there are so much more users here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-1-17100211 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC) NNU-1-17100211 (talk) 00:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello my friend. You are very welcome here.


 * Why articles get deleted:


 * If your article is deleted, probably it is because it was not about something well known.


 * Always ask yourself this question:


 * "When I search with Google, or Tom, or Baidu, or Sina, can I find (English or Chinese) lots and lots of information about it?"


 * If the answer is yes, then it's probably okay. If no, then probably the article will be deleted.


 * How I found you:


 * I watch lots of users pages to see if I can help. You can too. Click watch at the top of a page. Then, click my watchlist at the top of the page. It will show you a list of pages you watch, and what is happening there. (You can watch your friend's pages, and watch articles you are working on too. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Dear friend
Hello,Anna,I am a student from Nanjing Normal University.Thank you for your advice.I want to know how can I get the standard form about my

first article.I'm really confused about.Can I copy from other's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-2-05100130 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome, my friend.


 * You can use the article wizard standard form: Article wizard


 * or


 * You can find another article, click edit, and copy it and paste it into your space. Then you can change the information how you like.


 * (Don't forget to search Wikipedia to be sure the article you want to make is not already here.) If you have any more questions, please ask. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

hello，Anna. Thank you for your constructive suggestions. I'm still unfamiliar with this system, but with your help, things get better. Is there a stated pattern of a qualified Wikipedia article? I wonder why my article is always incomplete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnu-12-22100554 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The article you are making here: User:Nnu-12-22100554/Faculty of Teachers' Education is good. Maybe it should be a section in the article Nanjing Normal University, and not an article by itself. What do you think? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Dear anna,you sent a messages to me just now,but as you know I'm a green hand and I even don't know how to reply to you just under your words.So I have to write this. What I wanna say is that my topic "the YangFan Forum" is well-known enough from my point of view.Also,as you mentioned,when I search with Baidu,I could find lots of information about it. I try to write something about that ,you know ,"explain why you believe the page should not be deleted" and I finished it just now. In reality,I'm a little discouraged.But,the only thing I can do is to wait. NNU-1-17100211 (talk) 01:41, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Please don't be discouraged. You are doing fine. Writing to me here like this, is very good.


 * The best idea is to find lots and lots of websites that talk about the forum. Add them like this to your article:




 * Write to me again when you finish that, and I will see if it's okay. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:50, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if you can see this,I mean the words here,but I would like to sent this to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NNU-1-17100211/YangFan_Forum Thank you so much for checking it. NNU-1-17100211 (talk) 03:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

NNU students
Hello, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your friendly help to my students with their articles. I do my best to explain in our weekly classes, but your expertise far surpasses my own. We will all continue to work on the issues with their articles. If you would like to communicate with me on ways and techniques to improve this project, please be in touch. Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 01:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello again, I now see the school and university portal! Thanks, it's very useful, and I wish I had followed its guidelines from the beginning. Thanks and sorry, Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 01:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No need to be sorry. You are doing a very good job! I am always here to help. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello Anna, I was referring to Wikipedia:SUP. Perhaps "portal" was not the right word. I would love to create a page to coordinate efforts to improve our articles. I am not entirely sure where the appropriate space would be. Can you suggest a place where this project would fit? At SUP? On my userpage? Your suggestion would be much appreciated. Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 03:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Or can we expand on what bobrayner has kindly begun? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bobrayner/NNU Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 03:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Anna, Is there a way to look at deleted articles so we can analyze in class why a given article did not meet standards? I think it will help students learn to correct their errors if we can examine together what the shortcomings were. Sorry to bombard you with queries! Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bobrayner/NNU information has mostly been moved to the project page at WikiProject China/NNU Class Project. We are working on connecting students and their creations somehow.


 * I am looking into the deleted article request. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, you need to enlist the help of an admin. User:Timotheus Canens seems to be aware of your project, and will help you reinstate deleted articles to your userspace. -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 04:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Writing
I have add some references as you metioned to my writing.And I write something just under our lastest talk.I'm no sure if you can see those words.So I write this to make sure if you can get my message. The website is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NNU-1-17100211/YangFan_Forum Just now,I tried to create the forum again,but failed again... In order to finish the work that my teacher gave me,maybe I should change my topic temporarily... — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-1-17100211 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

NNU-11-summer
Dear Anna: I feel so gratuful for your discussion and encouragment.You are a kind person.

I am a sophomore in Nanjing Normal University.Where are you form?Are you a student either?I wanna make friend with you.

Our writing teacher requests us to wirte passages in the Wikipedia.I even haven`t heard of the Free Encyclopedia.So,I feel confused about the work.

The most cnofusing question is that what topic can wo choose.Can I write anything about my life or my future?

Looking forward to receiving your response.

Best Regards

Summer — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-11-summer (talk • contribs) 04:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. Editors generally should not write about themselves, unless it is in userspace. Thanks, → Σ  τ  c . 04:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Summer and welcome!


 * We are friends instantly!! :) :) I think you are a good student. Now you know, Wikipedia is just like Baidu Baike. The same thing. So what should you write about? No problem: There are lots of China-related article listed here: WikiProject China/Requested articles. You can choose one!


 * Also, see the project page at: WikiProject China/NNU Class Project Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

NNU-11-22100511
Hello,anna,I am a Chinese student from Nanjing Normal University and my name is Stella. Our school teacher told us about this online project,and I have just started writing artiles on wikipedia.It's of great fun! Thank you for your useful advice,and now I see how to add "a reference". I hope you could advise me how to improve my writing on the Wikipedia.:) NNU-11-22100511 (talk) 05:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC) User:NNU-11-22100511 05:, 57 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. I am glad you are enjoying it. I will help every way I can. Just ask what you need? Your writing looks good. I sent you a happy help message about spaces. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much!! It is a lovely barnstar indeed!! I would be happy to help you design your page. Just give me an idea of what you want? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

And Another

 * Thank you so much! I do hope they all have a good experience here. Many thanks! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:00, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Asking for help
Hello Anna~Many thanks for pointing out the mistakes I have made and giving me the adviceAnd i am a student from Nanjing Normal Universtiy.Actually we Chinese people seldom use Wikipedia to search for information.So i don't know how to use it ,our foreign teacher asked us to make some contributions here, and i am trying .But i found many difficulties .Can you help me? First, why the websites always try to delete my Page. i have linked the references but why in the page they still said it was proposed deletion? Can you please help me to check where there is something wrong?And my page is Hou Jingjing Many thanks .And i really look forward to your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-10-June (talk • contribs) 08:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. Don't worry. You are doing a good job. People want to delete it because there are only three sources. One of them is baike. I google the name and see many, many articles about her. Put lots, and lots, and lots, and lots of those website names into the article the way I showed you on your talk page. No baike. That should save your article. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

From Jany
Dear Anna, This is Jany. It's very happy to receive a message from you. I am an undergraduate student in Nanjing Normal University. My major is English. I am not good at it but I will do my best to learn. My English teacher told me that Wikipedia is a good place to learn English. I am a new comer, and I know little about it. Thank you for letting me know some rules here. You are such a kind person! I will appreciate it if you don't mind to teach me something else like the unknown customs in your country and something about your new living place. Hope to receive your message soon. Best wishes, Jany — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-01-05100133 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Helo Jany,
 * I am Canadian, born in London, England. I live in Haikou now. I have been here for a long time. I have 3 mice, 25 fish, and 7 dwarf hamsters. They are very cute. Customs? Hmmmmmm. Well, Halloween is coming soon so: On Halloween, it is customary for the parents to somehow get some of the best candy from the children. Sometimes money is needed. It is customary for the children to eat as much as they like that evening. They usually have very bad dreams and feel very sick the next day. A lot of candy trading takes place the next few days after that. It is customary not to give apples to kids on Halloween because of old scary stories of bad people putting pins in them to hurt the kids. So, Halloween apples are worthless. Anna Frodesiak (talk)

Re: NNU Class Project
You're still an ambassador! I'm very tempted to add the category back to your user page... ;) :) Viriditas (talk) 10:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:04, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Reply to Anna
Hello,Anna!I am a student from Nanjing Normal University.Thanks a lot for your message.I will ask you for help if necessary!(*^__^*) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-2-Yangxueping (talk • contribs) 11:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. I am here if you need. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your kindness.I am worried about my writing because I want to write like a native speaker.From a utilitarian pespective,I want to pass the TOEFL examination to follow my dreams in abroad. If you can help me ,I wil be very happy. Thank you a lot .And my English name is Alvin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-10-hanxu (talk • contribs) 12:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Alvin. You are very welcome. Don't worry about your English. It is very good. I am here to help. Just ask. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I just want to add, there are few editors who have impressed me as much as you have - you are a credit to wikipedia, indeed the human race!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm speechless. (But, fortunately I have a keyboard and can still type. :) ) Seriously, that's about the nicest thing ever! Of course the entire human race doesn't quite agree. See: Why Anna Should Be Kicked Off The Planet: A Convincing Treatise., 1985, Random House Publishing and "Anna Frodesiak: Held at the Hague Again!" CNN Report. But really seriously, thank you so much. You are a 10/10 on the sweetie scale. :) :) :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:39, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Pfft, both clearly unreliable sources ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice to meet you
Hi,Anna.You can call me Annie.Our name is a litter bit similar.Is this a luck? Yes, I'm from Nanjing Normal University. I'm a sophomore. I'd like to make friends with you and I really appreciate it that you want to help me. My writing is poor and it's the first time I wrote in Wikepedia. When I saw you say hello to me, you know, I was so excited. Maybe my English is poor too. I want to improve my English whether in writing or in spoken. I hope we can keep lettering or something else. Thank you for your acknowledgement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-1-17100216 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Annie. What a lovely name!! Very good luck. Your English is very good. Never worry about that. Let me know if you need help. I am right here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

How to deal with my second proposed deletion article
Dear Anna: I'm a student of Nanjing Normal University and my major is English normal .I am so worried about my second article that be deleted. NOw, I am proposed to delete my second article named Yushan island ,but I am not familiar with the usage of Wikipedia ,what can I do now ? How to deal with this embarrassed situation? Thank you for your kindness Best wishes Abigail — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-11-22100516 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Abigail. Don't be embarrassed at all. Some of my articles were deleted too. No worries. Yushan island looks good. I think you can find sources for it. Yes? Search the Chinese name and find many, many, many different websites that talk about it. Add them to the article the way I explained on your talk page. It should be fine. Write to me after you have finished that and I will take a look. Nice to meet you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I am the user of NNU-11-22100516 ,just now ,thanks for your advice and I will gradually improve myself through this tortuous process.
 * And I would like to learn from you if it don't make you feel troublesome.
 * Best wishes
 * Abigail — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-11-22100516 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You are doing fine. You are never troublesome. I am always here to help. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Quick note about the NNU articles and editors
Hi Anna - Just wish we could add a pop-up ad for all of them, saying "just treat them exactly the same as any other Wikipedia articles or editors". I've tried to do exactly this with Like a Speeding Youth. --Shirt58 (talk) 15:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Shirt58. I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I don't see a pop-up ad there. What am I missing? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I came here to give you a cookie, since your standing up for the Nanjing students was pretty cute. Going to be a lot of work for the volunteers though, sorry I can't help, but good luck. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you can't help too. But that's okay. We all have things to do. As for the students, how could I not stick up for them? They are very nice, as you can see from their nice posts here. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Anna, if you need another hand helping with these students, just let me know (or feel free to just pass them on to my talk page). Or if there's already organization somewhere where I can jump in, let me know that, too. I can't speak Chinese, but from the edits I've seen so far, most of them seem to have decent English, even if they don't know Wikipedia's policies.  Qwyrxian (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I just notice the list that bobraynor compiled; I'll go there tomorrow. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:38, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello my friend. I will definitely yelp if I get overloaded. Thank you for the kind offer. (Don't forget about the edit notice at list of malls in India.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me. The edit notices are up now; let me know if they meet the need. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:52, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Consider something like a bold heading centered that says NOTICE to get their attention. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I should have expressed myself better: My "pop-up" comment was a weeny bit not so good, and the I think the other part of my question has been answered elsewhere. Apologies for the fuddle.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "should we deal with the NNU articles and editors just as we deal with any other Wikipedia articles or editors?"
 * No problem. I was just confused.
 * My view is that they are the same as every other ESL editor, in that language issues and cultural differences can produce differing edits. Plus, first experiences at Wikipedia are daunting, and they may make some unconstructive edits.
 * That being said, (per: "teach a man to fish..."'), I gather that the project's aim in this regard is not to compensate, insomuch as it is to guide. We're not here to clean up. They are de facto editors, and as such, should make every effort to introduce content that conforms to the rest of the encyclopedia. It is reasonable for us to require that they look at other articles and figure out how to edit in the same manner. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no problems, eh? Shoosh, but this just between you and me: the WP:TRUTH is that Australians are Canadians with cockney accents

--Shirt58 (talk) 14:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

And here it is

 * Yum! Thank you very much. That's very kind of you. (If you gave me these because I helped the salted duck article, I didn't work on it. But I've now eaten the cookies, so it's too late. :) :) :) ). Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Some salted duck eggs for you!

 * Thank you very much. When they hatch, I will be sure to give them a steady diet of Gatorade. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Xishan Island in Suzhou
Hi Anna :). Judging from the message you left at User talk:NNU-01-05100103, I assume you are able to read the Chinese text labels that I've added to the references at Xishan Island in Suzhou using an automated tool. I would kindly appreciate if you could double-check these Chinese language reference titles to make sure I haven't unknowingly added anything silly or inappropriate. Thank you. :) -- WikHead (talk) 16:39, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello WikHead. I read Chinese very poorly. Trusting my judgement would be as insane as giving Gatorade to a duck. A good person to ask would be User:Wctaiwan. He is kind, clever, and good with ducks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well thank you for you help nonetheless Anna, and your advice as well. Stay well, stay away from ducks, and happy editing! :) -- WikHead (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

From Ivy
Dear Anna, I am a student in Nanjing Normal University.My name is Ivy.Thank you for giving me your suggestions!I hope we can become friends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-01-05100101 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Ivy. Of course we can become friends. :) I am here whenever you have any questions. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:44, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Help:a problem about renaming my article
Anna,I'm a student from Nanjing Normal University.My name is Kathy.I'm sorry to bother you.ButI met a problem and I don't know what to do with it.I hope you can give me some advice.

I have written a short article about my hometown and saved it.Then Wiki sent a message to me which said my article was proposed for deletion.I don't know what it was.Many classmates of mine got this message as well.I edited it and now I had difficulty in renaming the title.Wiki said that I must have an autoconfirmed account.It seemed that I didn't get it.So,can you help me with this problem?I need to hand on my homework. Thank you!NNU-11-22100510 (talk) 04:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)NNU-11-22100510NNU-11-22100510 (talk) 04:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Kathy, and welcome. You did a good job with Some Natural Attractions and Cultural Heritages in Xinghua，Jiangsu Province. I like the title. But, for Wikipedia, it may not be the best. I think, actually, the whole thing could be placed into Xinghua, Jiangsu as sections. Because you were the only person to write your article, you can cut and paste the whole thing into that article.


 * If your friends need someone to move articles, just tell them to write to me here and I will do it for them. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
I know you have one a million! of these up above already, but you deserve another one. Good work :) TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you!! My cup runneth over. :) Seriously, I was pouring tea while reading this and.... Kidding. But really seriously, thank you soooooo much. I am always happy to help newcomers. In this case, I am 167 times as happy. As for our damaging editor, we spoke privately on IRC, and he said he was hasty in his judgement and would show us all how he can be a very good editor, after his block expires. Many thanks again. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help
I've written an article about tomato and egg soup. Can you take a look on this article. I will be very happy if you point out my errors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-10-HanRongrong (talk • contribs) 10:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I fixed up your article Tomato and egg soup. Normally I would help you to do it. But I thought I would give you an example. Click edit on the article to see how it's put together. See what I added and what I removed. See how I made the references.


 * Anyway, good job! It's now an article and nobody can delete it! It is here at Wikipedia forever! If somebody wants to make it part of tomato soup, come and talk to me. I think it is a very distinct dish, and should not be part of the tomato soup article. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

From Jany
Dear Anna, I am very pleased that you have replied my message. It seems interseting to me to hear something about the Helloween.I think it's an exciting festival,but we Chinese do not have such kind of day. In my childhood, we just have the Children's Day. We do not need to have classes on that special day,that's pretty much good to us.You know,we prefer playing on the ground to sitting in front of the blackboard.Anyway,we grow happily through all the times goes by.Now,thank you again for writing to me.If you have something want to know about our culture or something,I would like to share it with you. Have a good day! Jany — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-01-05100133 (talk • contribs) 11:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Jany,


 * Of course I have lots of questions for you. I will think of something interesting to ask. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

From NNU-01-panglinan
I'm glad to talk to you.I think we can exchange ideas and communicate with each other to progress togaher. I will appreciate for your sincere advice and help.--NNU-01-panglinan (talk) 11:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It's my pleasure. I am here and check my page a lot. Please ask anything you like, and I will do my best to help. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

From Nnu-10-24100132
Thank you so much! I am trying to improve my page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnu-10-24100132 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, you are most welcome here. :) Tongzi Opera looks good. Well done. Now, to make it safe, you should add lots and lots of references, like I explained on your talk page. Find as many as you can, as soon as possible. :) Good luck. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

From NNU-10-03100303
Hi Anna! Thanks a lot for your kind recommendations! I am now studying in the Nanjing Normal University, I really appreciate your help. And I hopethat you can show me more details about how to creat a new artical,how to edit the existed artical to add more information,how to classify the materials,etc. Best wishes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-10-03100303 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. Of course I would be happy to help you edit articles. Just ask any question, and I will help. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

thanks for your help
Hi,Anna:Many thanks for your nice guideAnd I am still learning to use the Wikipedia, It is really nice of you to help us new comers.

Yours sincerely,

June from NNU

Questions How can I make my article become one of the article that I can search it on the above site? How can I enrich my article about Tomato and egg soup? How can I make myself found on the above site? I'm willing to see your suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-10-HanRongrong (talk • contribs) 14:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * When you say "above site", what do you mean? You can enrich your article by adding more information about history, or variations, etc. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Please check for me!
Hello, Anna. I am able to deal with it better with your guidance. Could you please take a look at my articles and tell me the problems? Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-10-24100105 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks good. Good topic. Good work with the reference formatting. More references would be a good idea. Somebody tried to delete it, but I removed the nasty red box. Please, add more and more and more and more references. That will protect the article. Good work!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:18, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Qingchuan novel
Hey Anna, aren't you taking the lead on helping the Chinese class with their project? I seem to recall that someone said that baidu.com was not an RS. I don't know anything about the site myself, but I came across this article in CAT:U. It's mostly sourced from baidu. Is there a better place to address this issue? Lady of  Shalott  22:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Evidently I'm not taking the lead. :) Baidu.baike is a wiki. I posted on every single student's talk page nine simple points. Point 7 says: "Don't use baike. It is not professionally written." The student received the post 2 days ago, and then created this article containing with 4 of 5 refs from baidu.baike.


 * There is a project page for students that has the same list of points. The link to it, however, was provided via a welcome template on their user pages. I don't think many will find that. Last night, I suggested another simple post on their talks to direct them to the project page. Another user put something together, but we didn't quite agree, and then it got late and I fell asleep. It was a long day.


 * The class teacher is supposed to direct them to the project page. Personally, I would like to bombard their talk pages with dead simple reminders. This is what I had in mind. In fact, I think I will go ahead and post it, with some of the basic points too. And, maybe some of these: User:Anna Frodesiak/Brown sandbox too! Thank you for bringing this up. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all your work welcoming the students and giving them these pointers. Too bad they (at least some of them) are not heeding the advice. Oh well.. that's just another day on the wiki. :) Lady  of  Shalott  02:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Message delivery
Hi Anna, How are you? You are doing a great job with helping the Chinese class. I have replied to your post at the AWB tasks page. I suggest you try the User:MessageDeliveryBot. It has an input form to request the message delivery. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 00:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ganeshk! Long time. Thanks for the encouragement. That bot sounds good, but what's the timeframe? Immediate? This is a super rush job. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I have never used it, so don't know if it will be immediate. The time frame will depend on how fast an admin can approve your request. I know you are good on IRC, may be you can find an admin. If you are planning to use this feature frequenly, you can get yourself a TUSC account and your requests will be automatically verified. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 00:46, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

More on the NNU class
It's really nice of you to help all these NNU students who have been thrown into the brutal world of Wikipedia editing without any training. You're not just taking them under your wing: you're helping them to fly on their own! In the mean time, it must be hard for them to have their first articles nominated for AfDs so quickly. After taking part in one of these AfDs, I left a welcome message on the author's talk page, but I'm not sure how much I can help. From what I've seen, many of these new editors would benefit from reading WP:ISNOT and WP:LOCAL. Both pages are a bit long, but they can help to write articles that can float. And since you're the hub they all come to, I thought I would mention this here. In any case, both new and old editors are grateful for the precious help you're giving. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 02:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. I'm happy to help. I really like Chinese students. They're very nice people.


 * Many don't even have a welcome with the 5 pillars. I'm very neutral on this. I don't want them to be overwhelmed with lots of text. Also, we don't want them to be drawn away from the message we give them. If we give them too much to read, they may read none of it. I don't even mention signing with tildes and indenting messages right now. WP can be daunting, and they can be easily overloaded. The teacher is giving them the basics, and we are now posting helpful User:Anna_Frodesiak/Brown sandbox points, one at a time at their talks. One each hour or so. Hopefully, a new orange message bar for each. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I like Chinese students too! I always find them very nice and motivated to learn. I had a simple idea: instead of giving them overwhelming amounts of English text to read, why not direct them to the relevant pages on Chinese Wikipedia? Both 欢迎 (= WP:WELCOME) and 创建新页面 (= WP:CREATE) contain a very helfpul "toolbox for beginners" ("新手工具箱") that these students should have no trouble browsing. 编辑页面 (= WP:EDITING) gives excellent instructions on how to edit and format a page. And the five pillars are here: 五大支柱. Since Chinese Wikipedia uses the same codes as English Wikipedia, this might be a simple way to help. What do you think? Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 03:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent idea!! Could you raise that at project talk? It's there. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:53, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you! The links in the section you linked to are to English-language articles that the students posted on Chinese Wikipedia. There are no links to Wiki policies. I'll go ahead and post links with Chinese characters so that even students who only take a quick glance at the Project page will notice them. Madalibi (talk) 04:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, done. Let's just hope they consult the Project page, now! Madalibi (talk) 04:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Beautiful! It looks great, and I'm sure will be very helpful to students. I will tell their teacher about this on IRC. He will tell the students to read up. Many thanks!!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:40, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome! I'm always glad to help when I can. Good success with this and your other projects! Madalibi (talk) 04:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you again. Wonderful job! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for help
I'm confused with something. We,who are learning English, need to edit something in the wikepedia.Is this just like students who are learning Chinese editing something in baidu? Hope my understanding is right... — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-01-05100602 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello my friend. Yes. Wikipedia is just like baidu baike. So this is the English version. Your class is about making and article here. If you have more question, please ask. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Request for help——a student from Nanjing Normal University
Dear Anne Frodesiak: I created a new account on Wikipedia named "NNU-11-22100528" instead of the former one "NNU-11-YangYang".Would you please help me add my new user-name to the NNU student name lists? Because I'm afraid I've forgotten the exact password to my old account.Please help me. NNU-11-YangYang (talk) 04:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. I just added your new name here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for help!
Dear Anne: Thank you for your patience on helping solve my problem ! I really appreciate your help!^!^ NNU-11-22100528 (talk) 09:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Araneus mitificus
You mean it actually bit you? o_O I thought it was a joke. Araneus are generally harmless and don't bite. Heck, I've played with them as a kid in spider fights. :P Anyway, good to hear it wasn't serious, heh.

And yep noticed. ;) No worries, felt the same way the first time I wrote a spider article heh. I'm nominating the article for DYK btw. :) --  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   10:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm so sorry. I was kidding. I thought you knew they're not venomous. Sorry sorry sorry. Oops.


 * DYK. Nice. Good hook: "Did you know that Araneus mitificus does not cause vertigo and require you to wear a motorcycle helmet around the house? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * sniff* I wear motorcycle helmets around the house. Two, in fact for protection from mind-control devices. >:( --  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   11:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You too? Wow! Okay, the secret is in how much tinfoil you stuff in there. An a few layers of tinfoil on the outside won't hurt either, but don't be tempted to make tinfoil antennae with balls of steel wool on the end. That just draws the signal and looks dumb. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:53, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course not. All I have on the surface are Hello Kitty stickers. --  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   12:15, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ha ha ha. Nice visual! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

NNU-asking for help~
Hi Anna again! Thanks a lot for your advice on the usage of "space". I have written an artile about "zhinv",and one of the helpers told me that there are already pages on Wikipedia about this figure. And I have found other interesting topics that I'd like to share on the Wiki. Is that okay that I just leave that article and start a new one? Best wishes~ NNU-11-22100511 (talk) 11:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello again. It looks good, but needs lots more references. Keep up the good work! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi NNU-11-22100511, I thought I should also mention that you can work on as many articles as you like at the same time. As Anna mentions, the article needs quite a few more references, which I'm sure you'll be able to add . In the mean time, I thought I'd mention that you can create as many articles as you like in your userspace - for example User:NNU-11-22100511/My first article, User:NNU-11-22100511/My second article and User:NNU-11-22100511/A super secret article which will wow the wikipedia audience.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Help request from a nanjing normal university
Dear Anna: I am very anxious for some problems occured to my user page.I just don`t understand why can`t I find my pentagram notation in my user page.In a result, I can`t enter our NNU student list. Help me! Best Regards Summer — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-11-summer (talk • contribs) 11:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm so sorry you're having trouble. Are you looking for WikiProject China/NNU Class Project/Students? Or WikiProject China/NNU Class Project? What is "pentagram notation"? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think he/she means the project tag on his user page (it has five bullet points). Anyway, the user appears to have blanked their user page by accident, and I just restored it. Viriditas (talk) 11:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah that was you? Thanks. We just saw that at IRC. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:23, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like everything is OK now. Can someone check that all of the user pages are watchlisted so this doesn't happen again? Viriditas (talk) 11:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Strike that. Here is the link. Viriditas (talk) 11:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Won't work if the category goes walkies. Agathoclea (talk) 11:34, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There's the related changes for the student page - link WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Come and see please!
Hi,Anna. I have just finished an article. Come and see. Thank you! NNU-10-24100105 (talk) 12:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

The Huilong High School, questions from a NNU student
Dear Anna : I am a student from NNU. My first article has been speedy deletion for the reason that it has been covered. Then, I write the second article, the title is "The Huilong High School", and I will appreciate it if you can help me to check it as soon as possible. And thank you for your suggestions about the Wikipedia. I'm looking forward to hearding from you soon! Best wishes

NNU-11-22100509 (talk) 12:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC)810374270@qq.com

HELP! nnu
hi! Iam NNU-11-22100511. I just have finished an article called "Bunian Tu" and I uploaded a picture,but I can't find it on "My contributions",what's wrong??? When I upload the picture again,the page said there is already the same picture, and I found another account only have two contributions that I made today...I am confused..what's wrong?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-11-22100511 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you using more than one user account besides or were you logged off?  You need to upload an image with a different file name, so change it. Viriditas (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A file upload is a contribution to our sister wiki called commons. It does not show when you check your contributions. If however, you go to the bottom of the page when checking your contributions, you'll see in the box a link for "global contributions". This checks contributions for all wiki projects, and there are many. And of course checking your global contributions, as I have done, shows your upload here. Thanks for your question, and consider asking your questions on your course project page so it will be more visible to all members of the project. And in answering your question there, other students might benefit from the question you asked. My76Strat (talk) 13:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

How to make the file in my article smaller?
I was trying to put some pictures into my article. But after I finished it, I found the picture was too big. How can I make it smaller? P.S: I was trying to search my article on the search place but I couldn't find it. How can I fulfill my article to achieve the request? I will be very happy with your help~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-10-HanRongrong (talk • contribs) 16:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I fixed the size. Click edit at the article to see how I did it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:44, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That looks like nice soup, and a very good photo. Did you take the photo yourself in a restaurant? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:45, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Root carving
I looked to see If I could revert to a copyvio free version, but no luck. There's probably scope for an article on the topic (don't look at me like that, too busy at the moment....). Peridon (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked for sources yesterday. I couldn't find anything. These root carvings are everywhere here. It's definitely a topic, or at least a section in an article. But it's deleted now anyway. Too bad. I don't know how created it, but it could be recreated. There must be tons of Chinese sources out there. Maybe I was searching the wrong characters. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I managed to find a journal article about root carving as inspiration for classic chinese ceramics. I didn't realize it was copyvio though. Should be recreated.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I was looking it up wrong. I don't think these 树根雕刻 and 树根雕塑 were right. Sellers' sites were displacing all the good stuff, and .net, .org, .edu came up zippo.


 * I think it's also called Root art (根雕艺术). I was looking it up wrong. I've found some sources: These alone are almost good enough to recreate the article. And more sources like this can be found. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * More sources: Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * More sources:

       Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Root carving. The blue says it all. I will let the original author know. She can expand it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:30, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I can't find the original creator. If you know, please tell her. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Whenever that happens, simply use "what links here". Remember, the user was notified. So that returns User talk:NNU-10-24100105. Viriditas (talk) 22:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Clever bunny! Thanks. :)Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yesterday I left the results of a Google Books search on "root carving" on her talk page. With all the websites you also found, she should now have plenty of material to work with! The quickest way to find a page creator is to click on "View history." Clicking on the creator's contributions will even let you find his or her other creations! Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 23:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Lovely. I hope she makes a great article. And thank you kindly for the advice. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hey Anna Frodesiak, I just thought I'd let you know that I saw your article Limnonectes timorensis in the New Articles list--It would be great if you could also improve the related article Corrugated Frog. It's nice to see you editing!Jipinghe (talk) 23:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Jipinghe. I will definitely expand Limnonectes timorensis. I am sorry I left it as a stub, but I've been a bit busy. Before I expand Corrogated Frog, I will start several other frog articles for which there images, but no articles. That takes priority.


 * Of course, I know nothing about frogs, other than the fact that they know how to say "renret", which isn't really a word. If they learned how to say "watchout", maybe people would pay more attention to them. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

new article about education
Come and see my new article. It's called The changes of the education system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-01-05100122 (talk • contribs) 08:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * And it's here - User:NNU-01-05100122 --Demiurge1000 (talk) 08:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you so much! Actually, the regulars guide me. Then I guide the students. It's a good system. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:06, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Wow

 * Thank you very kindly. Some think I waste half my time working on it. Actually it was easy peasy. The embarrassing 1,000 edits I've made to my user page are actually just adding items I've started and items to the menu. But yeah, OlEnglish told me about the easter eggs, and I went hog wild. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:06, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You've just given me a jugheaded idea. I'm going to make a lede image at easter eggs, and hide an easter egg in it to show visitors. :) Now, what image to choose.....and what easter egg to hide? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow... That is a surprisingly great idea!  Swarm   22:13, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Araneus mitificus
Materialscientist (talk) 20:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Wikimedia Foundation
Hi Anna, I hope you're well. My name is Aaron and I'm one of the Storytellers working on the 2011 fundraiser for the Wikimedia Foundation. For this year's campaign, we're interviewing as many of the very active and productive Wikipedians as we can to broaden the range of appeals we run come November. I wonder if you would want to tell me more about your experiences editing and writing here? If so, I'll ask you your personal story and I'll ask you some general questions about Wikipedia. Please let me know if you're interesting by emailing amuszalski@undefinedwikimedia.org. Thanks! Aaron (WMF) (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

thanks from a student,Nanjing Normal University
I have read your message,it is very helpful to me! Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNU-11-22100521 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

hanging temple...: User:Njnu-ban-xueshenghao/Xuankongsi by User:NNU-1-xujinyu
He Anna, I think you were a bit too fast in your compliments at the teacher's talk page of the hanging temple article (it already existed in main space: hanging Temple), so best not to stimulate too much. Furthermore, I assessed it at the user's page and had the feeling it was a machine translation... I have taken the liberty of removing your statement form the teacher's page to avoid confusion there; as always, feel free to re-add of course.... L.tak (talk) 05:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right. I should have done a simple check. It was in the teacher's sandbox. I think that triggered my carelessness. I've clicked on a student article at least twice before and found it had been redirected to that article. Silly me. The name should have jumped right out. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, I'm sure it was obvious to the author that I was commenting on top part. The body of text beneath was just dumped there as source material. Whether or not that's allowed, I didn't get into.


 * Taken from my hard drive notes for next IRC session with teacher:
 * "teacher: *if it's a big topic,. probably already has an article. look for english name *don't sign articles. just communications" Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It could be that the lead was written by him indeed; I didn't consider that. Also these starts are good practicing I guess, so only will help them in the future. This is my first time in a schoolproject, so I am really looking forward to seeing the progress over the next few weeks resulting in some nice articles! (we already have some good topics now) L.tak (talk) 08:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Now I remember, (after checking :) ), the bottom part appears to be software translated.


 * Yes, they have made quite an improvement. Check the first groups of talk page posts above. Now, they are much better with spaces. They are now using better sources, and more of them. There are still issues like duplicate articles. But, one step at a time. Their teacher is doing a good job. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

IRC
He Anna, you may want to contribute in the present IRC on userspace vs mainspace edits! L.tak (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I missed it. I always have off-wiki stuff around the weekend. I do, however, have a log of the entire thing. I will review what was said. Thanks! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Nanjing Normal University - logo01.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:Nanjing Normal University - logo01.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 06:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Our class is now linked to the tool
Anna, our class is now linked to the tool and we can monitor every article they have created, soon I hope for it to also show a column for files uploaded. The tool developer has said that when he has time, he will look to add that field. It is helpful and will only improve. We are linked here. Cheers My76Strat (talk) 07:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)