User talk:Anna Von Kleve2021

Cleves vs Kleve
Hi,

I see you have been editing a lot of articles relating to the name Cleves to instead read Kleve. My impression is that Cleves is the common spelling in English, and that this is why the articles had that spelling. Therefore, and since you gave no explanation for your edits, I reverted your changes. Why do you think Kleve is better?

On Wikipedia, we are encouraged to be bold in our editing, however, to quote from the policy: "Do not be upset if your bold edits get reverted. Francis Bacon, an early advocate of trial and error followed by observation to gain knowledge, once said: 'Great boldness is seldom without some absurdity.' Instead of getting upset, read Assume good faith and Civility. After the reversion of your bold edit, you might want to be bold in an edit on the talk pages so as to not start an edit war; see BOLD, revert, discuss cycle for more."

Please take the time to give a good and convincing explanation for why the non-standard Kleve is better than the standard English Cleves. Remember that no one owns a Wikipedia article, and the only way to change an article is to reach consensus among the editors of the article. Knuthove (talk) 20:58, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Why it should be spelt the correct way
Because Cleves is the English spelling changing it to Kleves is right because she is German and the Duchy of Kleves is German so it out to be spelt the German way which is with a K rather than a C. So by changing it to Kleves you do her the respect she deserves because her name has always be misspelt since she arrived in England. Because her name wasn’t Anne it was Anna we have called her Anne wrongly and she was from Kleves which has be spelt wrongly since her arrival. And just because it was written in English doesn’t mean you can’t spell it correctly does it. Because her name was Anna of Kleves and spelling it with a C does her a disrespect even if she is dead 31.124.57.168 (talk) 11:43, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your argument, but a lot of names are spelled differently in different languages. In English, we write Cologne, not Köln; John von Neumann, not Neumann János, and so on. Our goal in writing articles on the English Wikipedia is to be clear and informative to an English speaking audience. Therefore, the community has formulated some general guidelines, such as Naming conventions (use English). I'll quote the first two paragraphs here:
 * "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject that is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals, and major news sources). This makes it easy to find, and easy to compare information with other sources. Often this will be the local version, as with Madrid. Sometimes the usual English version will differ somewhat from the local form (Aragon, Venice, Normandy; Franz Josef Strauss, Victor Emmanuel III, Christopher Columbus). Rarely, as with Germany or Mount Everest, it will be completely different."
 * "If an examination of the sources in an article shows that one name or version of the name stands out as clearly the most commonly used in the English language, we should follow the sources and use it. Whenever something else is demonstrably more common in reliable sources for English as a whole, and this is not a question of national varieties of English, use that instead."
 * So by this guideline you would have to show that Kleves is demonstrably more common in reliable sources, which I do not believe it is. See also the policy WP:Use commonly recognizable names, and the guideline for proper names, which says: "In English, proper names [...] are frequently a source of conflict, especially when different cultures, using different names, "claim" someone or something as their own. Wikipedia does not adjudicate such disputes, but as a general rule uses the name which is likely to be most familiar to readers of English." I would say Anne of Cleaves is clearly more likely to be familiar to readers of English than Anna of Kleves. I have therefore reverted your edit again.
 * Please reply with good, reliable sources that show Anna of Kleves being the most common spelling of her name if you have them. Otherwise, I wish you all the best in your continued editing of Wikipedia. Knuthove (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2021 (UTC)