User talk:Anne Delong/Archive 18

This is the archive of messages posted on Anne Delong's talk page, January to March, 2017.

Please comment on Talk:Revealed Recordings
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Hi Anne

 * . The only page you have created is Irungu Kang'ata and that page has never been deleted for any reason and as I write this there is no evidence of any vadalism. Wikipedia does not delete articles because they are vandilsed. No admin is going to fully protect that page at this time and I refused your request at WP:RFPP. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 23:10, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and thanks for finding the article name for me. If Irungu Kang'ata is a member of a national parliament, the page will not be deleted unless it is found to contain text which is copied from another published source.  I see no evidence of vandalism, and there has never before been a page with that name. As well, other experienced editors will need to make changes to this page, because (1) it is written more as a tribute than as a neutral encyclopedia article, containing only the most pleasing information about him, and (2) it contains external links in the body of the article which are against Wikipedia's policy and will have to be removed.  I certainly see no reason to protect it.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Content about a band performing a single concert based on a listing of concerts held in a week
Hello, I am noticing the addition of information about single concerts various bands have performed in your recent contributions. This is a based on a chart of concerts for a specific short time period. First, just having a concert listed in a table doesn't make it a particularly noteworthy mention giving it weight for inclusion. Also, often concerts are part of tours that are certainly much more noteworthy to mention. Overall, I don't see this is non-trivial encyclopedic material. Thank you for your consideration. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 18:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I came across the Billboard page while trying to find references for a poorly sourced page. First, it's not just a list of concerts; it's a list of top grossing concerts for the whole of North America that month.  Most of the articles to which I've been adding the information (including the one that you reverted) are tagged for not having enough references.  I only added the information if no mention of a tour at that time was in the article. If these bands are so famous that a single concert is not worth mentioning, I would expect other editors to add information about the tours to which the concerts belong, and find a reliable independent source which verifies each tour's extent and timeframe to replace it before removing sourced content.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:23, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I have to say I am befuddled by your response. First, you are using a source which does not demonstrate any particular weight for many of these single concerts (really, just that they existed), as the period is just for one month, and many of the concerts are somewhat down the list (if you were talking about a truly top grossing event, like the first few, that may be different).  Second, you are merely saying in the prose they gave that concert without indicating anything noteworthy about it.  All bands have concerts, but do we talk about any particular one out of context -- not that I know of.  Third, as for adding information about tours, that should certainly go in there once any particular editor finds such information, but using a single concert as a placeholder seems unusual, as I've never come across such a claim by another editor or in policy/guidelines.  The tour info should not have to be added before removing the non-noteworthy single concert info -- I know of no policy/guideline behind that idea, except that non-weighty content is normally kept out, and there's no harm in waiting for weighty content to be added at a later time. Fourth, my understanding of an article with a lack of sources does indeed call for adding more, but they are usually applied to existing content that is not fully cited, instead of adding content just for the sake of increasing the number of cites. The bottom line: that a concert happened by itself doesn't give it weight for inclusion.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 22:46, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , to answer your four points:


 * There are thousands of bands, so even if they each only performed once a month there would be thousands of performances every month; the Billboard list is only of the top grossing few. Editors don't hesitate to add chart positions for singles, even if they are #32 rather than #1, and these based on charting database entries for an individual week.
 * While it's true that most (not all) musical groups perform in public, it's certainly not true that most perform regularly at large concerts with more than 5,000 people in the audience. Perhaps the text in Kool & the Gang should have mentioned the audience size or that it was a "Top-grossing concert", but that's a reason to add text, not delete it. It did mention bands they performed with; if you find that kind of information irrelevant, I'm sure you will also delete the vague name-dropping sentence about McCoy Tyner, Pharoah Sanders, and Leon Thomas in the same article, which is sourced only to the band's publicists. Also, I would like to point out that I did not add the concert information indiscriminately; I stayed away from articles which had obviously been well researched and were already pretty long and detailed, such as Madonna (entertainer) and Alabama (band), for just the reason that you mentioned.
 * I'm sure it's true that there is no specific policy covering when and where to add or remove band tour and concert info. That's a content issue up for discussion, so I gave my opinion. We all try to make articles better, not worse, but don't always agree on which is which.  IMO, articles should contain whatever information (sourced and accurate, of course) is most likely to be useful and interesting to the readers. I often see musician's articles written from the point of view of their recording studio, to whom performances are only valuable for increasing record sales and are barely mentioned. The article about Kool & the Gang, for example, is heavily overweighted with recording information, and, aside from the photograph, a person unfamiliar with the band who read the article might be mislead into concluding that they were mainly a studio band. I fail to see how sourced information about a large concert (or two, as I would have changed the sentence shortly to include the second entry) is worse than having no information at all about any performance activity.
 * You are right that the tag calls for more sourcing of specific claims already in the article. I was just trying to point out that the article was not yet well developed. However, it is my experience that the higher the proportion of sourced information in an article, the less likely it is to be tagged for any remaining sourcing weaknesses - not because of any particular guideline or policy, just because editors are less likely to be skeptical - for example, if a band has attracted large audiences at concerts, it's not surprising that they have had singles on charts.
 * Well I guess that's it. I will likely continue to add specific information to skimpy articles, and I hope that you will not remove it unless it's wrong or unless you have added something better that makes it irrelevant.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

thanks!
Thanks for making wikipedia a better place 173.174.71.170 (talk) 18:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure what I did that you liked, but you're welcome.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 18:14, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User Anne Delong/Jay Telfer


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 * , thanks for spotting that. I intended to put that in my user space while I worked on it, but missed the ":" after the word "User".  I have moved it, and since it's now in my own user space I have removed that tag.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Imagine my horror when I noticed that the creator of the page I tagged with G2 is an administrator! Good luck with the article! SorryNotSorry ✽ ✉  16:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , you were absolutely right to tag it no matter who created it. The page was obviously not ready for mainspace and editors can't be expected to look up the contributions history of every editor whose work they encounter. Administrators who are touchy about being tagged will just have to edit perfectly....&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Change of name
Hello, could you change the name of the article Air (French band) to Air (band). It is more neutral and there isn't any other band called Air, so Air (French band) is not justified. Tagging a band with its nationality is also annoying. Iennes (talk) 23:14, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, Iennes. You make some good points. However, I notice that there has been a lot of discussion about the band name on the talk page, that the article was previously Air (band) and was changed because of other groups or people with that name, and that the "band" is really a duo.  Because of that, I think it would be better to get some consensus.  If you start a new section on the talk page stating your name preference, and no one has spoken against it in three days, I will move it.  If there's any disagreement we can wait for a full discussion and see how it goes.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:25, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , could you make the change now and moved Air ( French band) to Air (band). The discussion is over and we reached an agreement 1 to present "Air (stylized as AIR)" in the lead, basing on similar cases such as "Korn (stylized as KoЯn)". Iennes (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, Iennes, it's done. By the way, I got six notifications about your posting; I don't mind, but you may wish to consider using the "show preview" option before saving a message.  As a poor typist, I use this extensively myself.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * , I'll use the "show preview" next time before editing :) Could you also rename the talk? Thanks for making the change and adding a hatnote, it looks fine now. Iennes (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's done too now. I asked the mover function to do the talk page at the same time, and it didn't kick back an error message, so I just assumed it had done it.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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Air (1971 album)
Hi Anne. Was your objection that the quote was a) wrongly attributed to juno.co.uk, b) purely promotional material from the record company, c) something else? There's not a great deal about this album in the press and I thought that the quote was usefully descriptive. Many thanks. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, Martinevans123. It's a violation of copyright laws to copy text from a published source into Wikipedia.  Even if this was an actual review from an established journalist or music critic, it couldn't be added in its entirety.  I was in the middle of some work related to another band called Air, so I didn't deal with the other problems that this article has.  You hit the problem on the head - there's not much to be found about the band or the album to help it pass WP:NALBUM. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Really? It was a quote, in a blockquote and fully attributed? I've seen thousands of review quotes for songs and albums all over Wikipedia. But it seems you are very keen to delete this article, so trimming it down as much as possible must suit your purposes? Or have you, like me, searched for more material? Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Martinevans123, if there is a long article, or a book chapter, written about a topic, it's acceptable to quote a small portion of it with attribution, I suppose because interested readers can go the original source to read the rest. Quoting a whole review or other document is a no-no. Quotations says "The copied material should not comprise a substantial portion of the work being quoted".  Even if this was my favourite album I would still have deleted the quote.  Copyright law is complicated, though, so if you feel that I am wrong about this, you can ask the experts at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems, and I will accept their take on it.


 * No, I haven't looked for better sources; that's why I haven't tagged it. I would never suggest deleting an article that could just be improved to meet the standards.  HERE's a list of draft articles that were tagged for deletion before I rescued them.  I have had only a short time to work on Wikipedia today, between band practice, family stuff and getting ready to play for folk dancers this evening, but I hope to have a good look tomorrow.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I see. That sounds logically unavoidable then. I must admit I had thought that rule was for more substantial works, not for "a entire review" that's a single sentence and that amounts to little more than "sleeve notes". A great shame, as I think that small article benefitted greatly from a short stylistic description. Perhaps we can chop the sentence in half? Except I suspect you'd tell me that 50% would also be a "substantial portion". What percentage of those words would make it less than substantial, I wonder? I'd be interested to know what your favourite album is, and if its article has the luxury of being able to quote unsubstantial portions of large reviews. That would be lucky, wouldn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, Martinevans123, I spent some time this evening on the Air article and I found several items online. I added them as references, got rid of the record store reference, and moved the label and discogs ones to External links, since they are not independent.  I hope you find this to be an improvement.  The Japanese reference is really just a guy creating an online list of the albums he owns, so it's a poor reference for notability but at least we know who he is, so it's better than discogs. (I asked at WikiProject Japan.)


 * About my favourite album: The one I like best was made years ago by a local band that likely will never have a Wikipedia article, and while still performing, doesn't have any of the same members who played on the album.  Three I have enjoyed over the years are Famous Blue Raincoat, Who Knows Where the Time Goes and Will the Circle be Unbroken.  None of the articles appear to have problems with quotes, but all could use some better references.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, Anne Delong. Time well spent I think and an improvement I'm sure. Many thanks. Those albums are new to me, but all great performers. Am a big fan of the title track writer. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC) p.s. surprised we have no article for Haig Adishian.


 * Sadly, most of the online sources just say "cover design by..." I did find two with a little more: this and this. I added a sentence about him to those two articles.  I thought of making a short section in the Atlantic Records article, but it's too long already. Maybe more material will show up with time as old magazines are scanned.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:39, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, tantalisingly few sources. Obviously not as notable as English company Hipgnosis, but still notable, I would have thought. Did he only work for Atlantic? 183 credits at discogs, all mainly Atlantic or derivatives? He gets only two mentions in Storm Thorgerson's Classic Album Covers of the 60s. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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 * Hello, . Because of a flaw in the page attribution process, I have been notified of this deletion when it is actually a page created by another user, moved to another namespace, and then recreated.  Please notify the user whose sandbox this is of the speedy deletion tag.  Thanks, &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Vandalism at Air (band)
Hello Anne, an user who has never contributed anything significant to wikipedia keeps on reverting "Air (stylized AIR)" in the lead. The history of this user is here 1: he makes edit warring once a week. Iennes (talk) 03:53, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Iennes, this is a content dispute. You made the correct first step of reaching out to start a discussion on the talk page. I have replied there.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

, the page has to be protected. And the other user who refused to engage in a conversation has to be blocked too for vandalism. AIR is stylized as such on all their albums sleeves. It is also stylized like this on 90% of their single sleeves. Iennes (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

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Please help me as new user to submit move request
Please reply, I will provide more details — Preceding unsigned comment added by Хмаринка (talk • contribs) 08:00, 11 February 2017 (UTC) Hello Хмаринка. You seem to have successfully submitted the move request. It is appearing both on the talk page and on Requested moves.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:11, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Please help me
Hello, can you please check if I moved the article from my sandbox correctly or not? I think I made a mistake and created a user page. --45.123.13.24 (talk) 11:59, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, 45.123.13.24, I found only two edits in your contributions under "45.123.13.24". Did you perhaps forget to log in? I not, then maybe your IP address has changed. Please let me know the page name of the article you are working on.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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Dave Grant
hi Anne thank you for your reply. My son said exactly what you suggest. It needs a photo. I would be so grateful for you to guide me. x

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Report at ANEW concerning Air (band)
Hi, following on from, the dispute continues - so I filed Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring in which I mentioned you once. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 11:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I watched this for a while, but the dispute seemed so trivial, and they seemed to be getting closer to a compromise, so I lost interest and didn't check back to see if they had resolved it.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:42, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder, the thirty-day period for the RfC expires in just over a day's time - 17:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC), and simultaneously, the protection on the article will vanish. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Invitation to take a look at our first article
We are students writing an article on Alex Mercado as part of our class Academic Discourse and Writing at Tec de Monterrey. Since you are an experienced Wikipedian and have an interest in these kinds of topics, we would like to know if you could take a few moments to take a look at the article and give us feedback. Thank you for your time.--Rodrigo Orellán (talk) 22:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Dear Rodrigo Orellán: Welcome to Wikipedia. I can suggest some improvements right away:
 * Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a magazine or a web host, it is not acceptable to include opinions, only factual information. The parts about how important the subject is an how great his music is should be removed. It's acceptable to report positive reviews from critics of specific performances or recordings (for example, "Joe Smith of the XXX newspaper praised his performance at the ABC Festival"). (see Neutral point of view)
 * Mercado is a contemporary musician, so it should be possible to find references that are online, and add links to that other editors or readers of the article can access them. I have linked one for you.  Any references that are to paper books, magazines, etc., must be specific, with issue and date information for magazines, and page numbers.  It's unreasonable to expect someone to read a whole book, magazine or newspaper to find the information cited.
 * Most of the article should be in paragraph form. I suggest that the section titled "Main venues" be removed, and the information integrated in compact chronological form in the history section. For example, "In 2015 Mercado performed at the Polanco Jazz Festival, the Las Almas de Texcoco Festival, International Jazz Exhibition of Coyoacán, International Jazz and Blues Festival of Zacatecas, Puebla's 5 de Mayo International Jazz Festival, the International Jazz Exhibition of Monterrey and the International Jazz Exhibition of Morelos. He also went on a tour of Europe." (If any of these performances attracted reviews, that would be the place to mention them, positive or negative.)&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 01:43, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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Let's reduce the environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement!
Hi Anne Delong, thank you for declaring your interest in my Wikimania submission "Going green: How we can reduce the environmental impact of Wikipedia"! Even now, I would like to invite you to check out the Meta page of the Sustainability Initiative, where I am trying to create momentum to reduce the environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement. My first goal is to have all the Wikimedia servers run on renewable energy. Since it would really help to have the visible support of as many community members as possible, maybe you could show your support for this project as well? Thank you, --Gnom (talk) 10:26, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Warsawpack
That one's really kind of a hard call. Over the years, it's happened five times that anonymous or newly registered editors have tried to effectively blank the entire article by reducing it to a single sentence that amounted to "the band existed, the end" — and between the frequency of that happening and the fact that the band hadn't actually attained any particular renewed visibility that might have boosted the potential for run-of-the-mill vandalism, what that particular pattern of edits implied to me was one person who's really determined to make the article disappear for WP:NPOV-violating and/or WP:COI reasons. If you feel really strongly that we should give unprotection a shot, then I suppose I'm willing to go along with that — my main concern is that it's not at all clear that there are enough people actually watchlisting the article to get it reverted promptly if the blanker tries again. Bearcat (talk) 02:43, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Bearcat, I don't feel strongly about it. I just noticed that it had been protected a long time and thought that you might have just forgotten about it.  I am going down through the category list of Canadian band stubs to see which ones I can improve. Most of them I have never heard of. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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