User talk:Annetta1018

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January 2024
Hello, I'm Butlerblog. I noticed that you recently removed content from Christian Zionism without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Edit summary not withstanding, if you're removing a sizeable portion of content that has cited sources, you probably would be best to discuss it on the talk page first.  Butler Blog   (talk) 17:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey, I just got your message today. Sorry I did not note why. It is on this part:
 * "John and Charles Wesley, early leaders in Methodism; inspired by the Pietists and Zinzendorf's Moravians; also promoted a Jewish return to Palestine with Charles Wesley even authoring a hymn dedicated to it. The Baptist, John Gill, who moved in similar circles to the Wesleys, authored works expressing similar views."
 * That is not correct. Both Wesley brothers shared restorationist views - that the Jews would be restored to a relationship with God, not that they would be brought back to the literal land. It is incorrect to call them Zionist. Some also cite other text of the Wesley's, in claiming that they were anti-semetic even.
 * If you read Wesley's Notes on the Bible, in text such as on Matthew 25, he held a view that most OT prophecies were already fulfilled as well. I just thought it would be miscontrued the way it was written that they were both Zionist in the modern terms with pre-mill, rapture theory when they were not. The restorations of the Jews they believed would be slow and over time. But it is ok you restored it. It is a free encyclopedia, and as such any views can be placed on it. but thank you for letting me know. Annetta1018 (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Here are some sources if you would like to see my reasons.

Page 62: "Outcasts from thee, and scattered wide Blaspheming who they crucified Unsaved, unpitied, unforgiven Branded like Cain, they bear their load Abhorred of men, and cursed of God

Wesley's language grew more violent when he declaimed on the Jewish adherence to the Torah: 'What stupidity, what senselessness must it be for such an unclean, guilty helpless worm as this [the Jew], to dream of seeking acceptance by his own righteousness, of living by the righteousness which is of the law!' "

https://books.google.com/books?id=5G3feplFBYUC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=john+wesley+%2B+anti-semitism&source=bl&ots=8awLyHsR7q&sig=2Yz9vz8ss65H9vQAg5qAhPu44ls&hl=en&ei=1rMrTMm5AeChsQbA0Zn9CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=john%20wesley%20%2B%20anti-semitism&f=false

Here in his notes:

He clearly held to restorationist views, but only that a small renamnt would be saved. He also held to them being saved without being brought back to Judea as cited.

On the internet people want to claim this side or that on their behalf when it comes to famous ministers especially. However, given the facts, I was trying to help make the post more factual as opposed to placing and citing someone who made potential anti-semetic comments in the post as being something they may not have been.

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/wesley/notes.i.vii.x.html