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Proposed deletion of 2017 Nature Air Cessna 208 Caravan crash


The article 2017 Nature Air Cessna 208 Caravan crash has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Non-notable aviation accident. Can be adequately covered in the article about the operator"

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 * Thanks for the heads up, but I think AfD is more appropriate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:57, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Le Stud


The article Le Stud has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "One of several gay bars in Montreal. Notability not established."

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 * Thanks for the heads up, but I think AfD is a better venue for community review. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:14, 1 January 2018 (UTC)


 * OK, noted. I see you've been improving the article, so I'll back off for a day or two - but to be frank I still don't see anything that makes Le Stud significant yet.  PK  T (alk)  18:44, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There are sources describing the bar's history, clientele, and atmosphere, and the discrimination complaint in 2007 received quite a bit of coverage. I'n not sure the perennial Fodor's entries are helpful, so I just posted those links on the talk page for consideration, but with the academic analysis, I think notability is established. (The article just needs to be further expanded, which I'll try to do soon.) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:09, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of 2017 Nature Air Cessna 208 Caravan crash for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2017 Nature Air Cessna 208 Caravan crash is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/2017 Nature Air Cessna 208 Caravan crash until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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 * This may be of interest to you. See my comments at the AfD discussion. Mjroots (talk) 16:48, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year!




 Another Believer , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! North America1000 09:02, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


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 * Thanks, and happy new year to you, too! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:53, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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Filthy
the name article Filthy (song) is available. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 16:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There are many songs by this name though, so wouldn't a disambiguation page be better for that page? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Pageviews for your List of names for cannabis
Are you in the habit of checking the PV tool? If not, check out your article from the 420 Editathon: link. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I do use the tool often, but not usually for cannabis-related articles. Glad to see such high readership. Shows the importance of our efforts to improve cannabis-related content. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Precious four years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Royal Naval Division War Memorial
Hello, Another Believer – Happy New Year! Because this article was quite well written as it was, I only made a few changes. Out of respect for your wording choices, I refrained from re-wording a few sentences that would constitute only slight stylistic changes. I thought I'd mention them here and see what you thought.

1) In the first paragraph in Royal Naval Division War Memorial is the following sentence:


 * At the base of the obelisk, on all four sides, are relief carvings of the Royal Naval Division's insignia.

I thought, in reality, the relief carvings are not only at the base of the obelisk but on the base. I thought it would be nice to avoid the parenthetical phrase in the middle, "on all four sides". The sentence might read more smoothly as follows:


 * On all four sides of the base of the obelisk are relief carvings of the Royal Naval Division's insignia.

or:


 * All four sides of the base of the obelisk contain relief carvings of the Royal Naval Division's insignia.

I kind of like the second option. What do you think?

2) Later in the Design section you provide Rupert Brooke's poem. It seemed to me that the lines of the poem were unnecessarily far apart from each other, that is, had too much space between them. Is there any reason they need to be spaced so far apart?

3) Twice, once in the second paragraph in the lead, and once in the first paragraph in Royal Naval Division War Memorial, you begin a sentence with "As well as...". I don't recall ever seeing this type of construction, with the "as well as" at the beginning of a sentence. I wonder if that is more a British English construction than American English. Of course, because of the topic, the article is, and should be, written using British English. I just wanted to point it out. I suppose it is all right, but I would use "In addition to" for the first one and "In addition to" or "Besides" for the second one. But if you're happy with the way these sentences read, then by all means leave them as they are.

4) The first two sentences of the Royal Naval Division War Memorial section are:


 * The memorial is carved entirely from Portland stone. It consists of an obelisk rising from a circular bowl, supported by a moulded square base which connects it to a second, shallower bowl and then to a large square plinth.

These are fine as they are. If you want them to flow a little more smoothly, you might consider joining them as follows:


 * The memorial, carved entirely from Portland stone, consists of an obelisk rising from a circular bowl, supported by a moulded square base which connects it to a second, shallower bowl and then to a large square plinth.

or:


 * Carved entirely from Portland stone, the memorial consists of an obelisk rising from a circular bowl, supported by a moulded square base which connects it to a second, shallower bowl and then to a large square plinth.

I kind of prefer the second option. But it's really up to you.

5) In the first paragraph in the lead is the following sentence:


 * Progress was initially slow as the committee considered incorporating its memorial into a larger one proposed by the Royal Navy for Trafalgar Square, but when the navy abandoned the project in favour of three separate memorials in the south coast of England, the RND's committee decided to proceed independently.

I don't know British English usage with regard to geography, but to my American ears, "in the south coast" sounds odd. We would always say "on the south coast", or "in the south". I notice that in the Royal Naval Division War Memorial section, you have "across the south coast":


 * In the end, the navy opted for three monuments across the south coast of England and the committee, keen to have its memorial in London, decided to proceed independently.

Would you consider changing the sentence in the lead to one of these? –


 * three separate memorials in the south of England
 * three separate memorials along the south coast of England

6) Near the beginning of the first paragraph in the lead is the following sentence:


 * Shortly after the end of the war, former members formed a committee, chaired by one of the division's leading officers, Brigadier-General Arthur Asquith, to raise funds for a memorial.

(You will have seen by now that I moved the adverbial phrase to the beginning of the sentence.) I was trying to figure out a way to avoid "former members formed a committee", with "former" and "formed" in such close proximity. I also thought some readers might be puzzled by the word "members", associating "members" more with an association than a military division. But if we add "of the division" after "former members" (which would, at one and the same time, clarify "members" and put more distance between "former" and "formed"), then we probably should not repeat "division". However, if we change "one of the division's leading officers" to "one of its leading officers", we create ambiguity because "its" could refer to both "division" and "committee". I even tried passive voice ("a committee was formed"), but that didn't sound right, either. So, I left it as it was. Do you have any ideas? Perhaps we could ask Iridescent for his thoughts.

Well, that's all. You don't really have to make any further changes. These are just slight stylistic options. Best regards, – Corinne (talk) 00:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I went ahead and copied and pasted this to the article's talk page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Mindful (song)

 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries; I actually finished this earlier, but forgot to notify you. I'd wish you luck with your GA nom, but I see it's already passed, so well done. :) Cheers, Baffle gab1978  (talk)  20:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

All These Years (song)
Before creating redirects, please check to make sure there is not a song of the same name on Wikipedia named at a disamibiguation page (some of the Justin Timberlake redirects you made recently, like Young Man (song)) or with its own page already, such as All These Years. Other editors have asked me to do this, and I don't know how after years of creating redirects, you haven't been asked to do so either. Adding "(song)" onto the end of a title doesn't differentiate the new song from an older song that already has an article. It could be another way an editor would be thinking to look for the original song. If another song of the same name comes about, we can pretty much only differentiate that new song with a redirect including the artist's name in the title to disambiguate it, hence All These Years (Camila Cabello song). There is no confusion when we add the artist's full name to the title; there is confusion as to which song you mean when you just add "(song)". Thank you.  Ss  112   08:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Nurses' Quarters
I think there's a connection between the new article Portland Sanitarium Nurses' Quarters and Morningside Hospital (Oregon), formerly Mt. Tabor Sanitarium. But I don't feel confident enough in Portland place names to go ahead and link one to the other. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'll post notes on the articles' talk pages. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Allow (Björk song) listed at Redirects for discussion
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New potlatch
Material for a new article, maybe? At least expansion of Cannabis in the District of Columbia. This will probably be the model in Vermont for a while. As it was in Oregon and Washington before they got retail figured out. The whole Weed the People event was gift-based, wasn't it? And depending on Treasury decisions it could be the national deal again. Back to the future of potlatch? Or market-based workarounds? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * DC gift economy, The Cannabist
 * Can gift economy work? NYT
 * Weed gift loophole, High Times
 * "Like Alaska, Colorado and Washington, residents can also gift an ounce...", Rolling Stone
 * Markets find a way, Cato Institute
 * Burning Man gift economy comparison, BOTEC Analysis
 * Many more sources including
 * Yes, if I remember correctly, there was a period of time between legalization and retail selling in Oregon. Thank goodness we can just walk into a store now, instead of finding that one kid at Waterfront Park with the black backpack! ;p --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Juggalo March for deletion
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Belated best wishes for a happy 2018
-- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

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Advertising article
I know we talked about an advertising article somewhere, sometime. To facilitate this, I created c:Category:Cannabis advertising and populated it with exactly one image. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Minister for Loneliness
I have proposed this page for deletion as the 'Minister for Loneliness' is not an actual title or position. Please see the talk page. AJ2265 (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag and replied on the talk page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of People's Bike Library of Portland
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Your GA nomination of People's Bike Library of Portland
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Nomination of Joshua Claybourn for deletion
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Notifying you about the discussion, since you have made significant contributions to article related to this subject. --IndyNotes (talk) 03:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mother of All Rallies


The article Mother of All Rallies has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "1E no long lasting notability"

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 * Removed tag; obviously notable. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:32, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

MTV: TRL Christmas

 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

"Homemade Dynamite"
Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Homemade Dynamite has been completed. The GA reviewer noted that there are a few parts that are "rough" which is an understatement given some of the issues I found. I do think the article is now of GA quality.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 21:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work on this article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Squaxin tribe "first"
Just found out that the Squaxin Island Tribe in the South Sound was first in the United States to start retail cannabis sales, in 2015. I thought this might make a good article but am struggling for a title. The name of the store is simply "Elevation", so it will need disambiguation. Got any good ideas? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:38, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, until you're certain the shop is independently notable, I'd consider just expanding the section in the Squaxin Island Tribe article. Obviously, most cannabis shops are not notable, but being a "first" will help. If you're sure there's enough secondary coverage, consider Elevation (cannabis shop) as a title, per Category:Cannabis shops. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. Pretty sure they are notable, there's been a fair amount of non-local media coverage . So non-local it's surprising actually -- I know that area pretty well and didn't know about it myself. Apparently I missed KUOW's story. But yeah, most of my stuff stays in drafts until it's pretty solid. I suffered a deleted article recently (see User:Bri/Created) which is fairly rare now. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * For the talkpage stalkers watchers: Draft:Elevation (cannabis shop) ☆ Bri (talk) 20:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, I wonder if the tribe plans to update this which prohibits "The use, possession, sale, distribution or being under the influence of illegal drugs or alcohol". I suppose the tribal government can interpret "illegal" as according to state law, which would be unusually deferential (tribes usually go by Federal and tribal law only). ☆ Bri (talk) 20:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 3
There is currently a discussion going on over at the RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 3 talk page that you may be interested in participating in. Brocicle (talk) 06:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:24, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Why do you write a fake winner and runner up in the article? --Dozor (talk) 20:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't, that was another editor. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * you did it again! --Dozor (talk) 20:16, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I was trying to revert vandalism. If I did so incorrectly, I'll let others take over from here. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It was already corrected and you reverted 5 minutes later back to the vandalised version. twice. --Dozor (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, my bad. I thought I was removing vandalism. Thanks for the message. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

List of Airplay 100 number ones of the 2010s
Hi there! Maybe you have time to give some comments on my FLC above? Just overlook this if you are busy right now... Best regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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Advice on improving our recommending tool
Hi Another Believer,

Hope you are doing well! Thank you for using our tool, and giving us feedback for improvement. We've made some improvements, and are preparing to send another round of recommendations for your project. But before that, we are considering two possible factors to implement into our algorithms potentially, and wonder what's your opinion on them.

1. Small project promotion. An editor who has a wide range of subject interest can be recommended to multiple projects according to our current algorithms. When this happens, do you think it matters to make choices among those projects, i.e., should we prioritize on those smaller projects, just randomly choose one project, or do you have other thoughts?

2. Female editor promotion. Gender imbalance has been a long-term issue in Wikipedia which consequently caused the uncoverage of many female related topics. What do you think about the idea of promoting more female editors in the recommendation list? Bobo.03 (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure we should be prioritizing suggestions based on project size. IMO, new editors are likely to be more comfortable watching WikiProject talk pages before diving in to revive small projects. One might be to focus the invitation on the most relevant, and simply mention the others in passing, such as "Based on your edit history, you might also consider visiting WikiProject X, WikiProject Y, or WikiProject Z." I'm not sure what you mean by promoting female editors. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:57, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Got it. Thank you for your thought. By promoting female editors, we were thinking to introduce more female editors who are relevant in the recommendation list. What do you think? Bobo.03 (talk) 15:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I think I'd need to see an example of what you mean re: gender. If the recommendation list suggests editors to invite to WikiProjects, I'm not sure how gender comes into play. Aren't suggestions based on articles they edit? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:56, 3 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are right. Currently, it's based on the articles, for instance, the number of articles the editor edited that are within the project. Even though, do you think within a project, there might be some female related articles that have not been well covered yet but may be not of best interest of male editors? So we think that maybe by introducing more female editors, female related articles within the project can be improved, which could improve the gender bias issue in Wikipedia as well. Just an idea we are incubating. Bobo.03 (talk) 16:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for clarifying. Well, I certainly support initiatives to encourage female editing and address the gender gap, but I'm not sure I have any thoughts or strong opinions about how to do this using the recommendation list. Hopefully some other editors will be able to offer more constructive feedback. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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Deletion of Austen references in throwing shade.
Hi- went back in to add footnotes and move the austen references to a different part of the page and saw you had deleted entirely. Discussion? J Marlies (talk) 06:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

All In (Chris Brown song) listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Ribs" (song)
Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article "Ribs" (song) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

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 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Daylight Savings (Chris Brown song) listed at Redirects for discussion
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Emotions (Chris Brown song) listed at Redirects for discussion
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Arisen (Björk song) listed at Redirects for discussion
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Reflection (Fifth Harmony album)
Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Reflection (Fifth Harmony album) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:00, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:16, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Recommending new editors to your WP Oregon
Hi Another Believer,

Our system generated a list of potential new editors for your project. They may be interested in collaborating with your project members on your project's articles. As you will notice, the list contains both experienced editors and newcomers. Both are valuable for Wikipedia and your project. Please go ahead and introduce your project to them, and point them to some project tasks to start with. We also provide a template invitation message to make it easier to contact the potential new editors. Just click the invite link to write the invitation message.

We'd appreciate it if you could fill the survey to let us know what you think about our recommendations so we can improve our system.

Please let me know below if you have any general feedback about our recommendations. Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 05:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Another Believer, Just wonder if you had a chance to look at the recommendations I sent to you? Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 22:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I sent 4 invitations, and submitted survey responses for all entries. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Stranger (Chris Brown song) listed at Redirects for discussion
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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 11
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Portland train attack memorial
Can't see it passing LASTING, Don't you think a section on the article is enough? Ping me if you respond here as I'm not listing this Darkness Shines (talk) 23:16, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. But I work on lots of articles about public art, and I'll keep updating the draft as possible. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:17, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, and if I can help I will, apart from the art part :-) Darkness Shines (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello
And always good to see your edits up and around the visual arts pages. Wondering if you or a page reader can lend me a hand. Uploading images isn't in my skill set, with all the proper awarenesses and documentation. I created a page yesterday which needs an artwork image, and if you or someone could track one down and post it that would be nice, and thank you. The painting is named Memory, the Heart (not to be confused with The Heart, She Holler) by Frida Kahlo. Quite the painting and backstory. It is a page that I think would look better without an infobox to allow for a larger image. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I wish I could help, but I am not experienced with uploading images apart from album covers and images I've taken myself. I did, however, add the "image requested" tag to the article's talk page, and I recommend posting your request at WikiProject Visual arts to see if someone else might be able to help. Sorry I can't be of more assistance with this particular task! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:14, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advise, I've never requested an image before aside from advise on a few talk pages and came to you because of your work on art pages. I'll make the request at the Visual arts project. The new page is now only one of 12 Kahlo painting pages, which is kind of fun, and a good image will do it well. Thanks again. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Your March editathon
As you are arranging an editathon on March 8, you might be interested in Women in Red's plans for Women's History Month. We have also developed Ten Simple Rules for new editors interested in creating biographies, which might be useful.

Recommending new editors to WikiProject Oregon
Hi Another Believer,

Here is a new list of recommendations for project Oregon. Sorry that I introduced some bugs in the previous version as I mentioned, but everything has been fixed. I might be sending one or two more new lists to you in the coming Mondays, and hope you'll find great new members!

Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 16:23, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ I invited a couple editors, but most do not appear to be specifically interested in working on Oregon-related content. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:35, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Would you mind elaborating a bit more why they don't look interested in Oregon project? Bobo.03 (talk) 22:21, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure. I just prefer to invite editors who seem to strongly focus on Oregon-related content, or indicate on their profile page that they live (or have lived) in Oregon. Perhaps another project member would invite more folks, but this is my personal preference. I've also been drastically reducing the invite text, so the invitation seems more user-generated, rather than machine-generated. I wouldn't mind editors receiving generic WikiProject invites based on their edits, but I don't want to put my name to just an invite, and prefer to be more selective about who we bring over to the WikiProject Oregon page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Got it. I agree. There might be a tension between inviting very specific content contributors v.s. a board interest contributors, and your preference definitely makes sense to me! Bobo.03 (talk) 22:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Hear Music Volume 7 Waking album cover.jpg
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File:March for Our Lives logo.jpg
Hello, my friend. Should File:March for Our Lives logo.jpg be non-free? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * There might be a case about the human figures in the bottom-right, but I’d say they’re too complex. The paper cutout border puts it squarely over the border into non-free territory. —AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 14:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not sure. I always upload logos assuming they are copyrighted, and let other editors decide if they are eligible to live at Commons. Perhaps you could start a discussion on the March for Our Lives talk page? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Another Believer. Actually, I used to always upload logos locally. But now, if they are clearly simply shapes, I upload at commons so other projects can use them. In this case, after staring at the image, I think AntiCompositeNumber is right with no need to use the article talk. Many thanks, though. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * AntiCompositeNumber, yes, I agree. The figures are not entirely standard washroom sign types. Plus, there's the boy-girl-boy-girl thing and then there's the whole torn paper frame thing. It has to be non-free. Thanks for the input. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

"Hard Feelings/Loveless"
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Nomination of Aja (drag queen) for deletion
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(song) redirects

 * (cur | prev) 05:17, 22 February 2018‎ Another Believer (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42 bytes) (+42)‎ . . (#REDIRECT Fantasea II: The Second Wave) (thank) (Tag: New redirect)
 * (cur | prev) 03:43, 23 February 2018‎ Ss112 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (23 bytes) (-19)‎ . . (a book by Ira Cohen—by all means, you can go and create redirects for all his books. However, NOT confirmed for Fantasea II. Please check to make sure what you're creating as redirects is not unsourced. Which it was/is.) (undo | thank) (Tag: Redirect target changed)
 * Hi, Another Believer, I thought (sorry if I'm wrong, it may have been a discussion with another editor) you were going to hold off making song redirects. Maybe it was someone else, sorry if so. There's no need - search function works fine, redirects are mainly for likely links in article. In a case like above you're pointing Ira Cohen readers at an album. Why? Another example was Treasure Island (song), why create that redirect, and why point it at just one of six songs of that name? In ictu oculi (talk) 23:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * (cur | prev) 05:20, 22 February 2018‎ Another Believer (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42 bytes) (+42)‎ . . (#REDIRECT Fantasea II: The Second Wave) (thank) (Tag: New redirect)
 * (cur | prev) 03:38, 23 February 2018‎ Ss112 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (23 bytes) (-19)‎ . . (Someone could be looking for the song by Colette Carr; two words doesn't distinguish this subject from when it's written as one, because readers may not know to distinguish them. This also isn't confirmed for Fantasea—check material is not unsourced) (undo | thanked) (Tag: Redirect target changed)
 * There's another one. Can you please check Discogs and Wikipedia search before making these redirects. A (song) redirect is almost always a bad idea, since there's almost always another of the same title somewhere. And if there isn't there will be in 3 years time. Just saying :( Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I created redirects when I think they might be helpful. Sorry if you disagree. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:56, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well it's not really a question of disagreeing, the two above, and several more were actually incorrect. That's more the issue. Not wanting to get on your case, I see you do a lot of good work, just this one small thing. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, I understand. --- Another Believer ( Talk )

GOCE February 2018 news
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Nomination of Paul Abrahamian for deletion
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Speedy deletion nomination of March for Our Lives


A tag has been placed on March for Our Lives requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organized event (tour, function, meeting, party, etc.), but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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 * Not necessary... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:23, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of March for Our Lives


The article March for Our Lives has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Pure WP:CRYSTAL and WP:SOAP."

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 * Again, not necessary... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

California Pacific International Exposition half dollar
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Special recognition

 * Hell yes! Keep up the great work. It is always a pleasure to copy-edit the articles that you are working on. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you both! And here I was feeling bad sometimes for putting so much work on other editors' plates! GOCE is such a great resource, and you can bet I'll continue submitting requests for their eagle eyes and proficiency of the English language. I am curious, how did you or someone determine I've submitted over 100 requests? Is there a report somewhere or something? Thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * See WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests/Archives/2017 (17 requests) and previous years' archive pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:55, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I pulled out the numbers on that when I joined as a coordinator and caught up with our newsletters and end-of-year reports. Considering how many barnstars we give to fellow copy editors, we thought it'd be good to recognize the other side of the partnership and mark this big milestone. I'd also suggest that having so many completed requests is partially due to a quick turn-around from our editors, who know you're bringing good work, and we all appreciate that. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:01, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks again to you both! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Aubrey Watzek Library


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 * ... no... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:43, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of John R. Howard Hall


The article John R. Howard Hall has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "no evidence of separate notability"

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.  DGG ( talk ) 01:24, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I added a few references and removed the tag. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:40, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2018). Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * The autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) is scheduled to end on 14 March 2018. The results of the research collected can be read on Meta Wiki.
 * Community ban discussions must now stay open for at least 24 hours prior to being closed.
 * A change to the administrator inactivity policy has been proposed. Under the proposal, if an administrator has not used their admin tools for a period of five years and is subsequently desysopped for inactivity, the administrator would have to file a new RfA in order to regain the tools.
 * A change to the banning policy has been proposed which would specify conditions under which a repeat sockmaster may be considered de facto banned, reducing the need to start a community ban discussion for these users.

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Obituaries
 * Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Wikipedia in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.

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WikiCup 2018 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition, with 4 points required to qualify for round 2. With 53 contestants qualifying, the groups for round 2 are slightly smaller than usual, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining users.

Our top scorers in round 1 were:


 * 🇺🇸 Aoba47 led the field with a featured article, 8 good articles and 42 GARs, giving a total of 666 points.
 * 🇩🇪 FrB.TG, a WikiCup newcomer, came next with 600 points, gained from a featured article and masses of bonus points.
 * 🇮🇳 Ssven2, another WikiCup newcomer, was in third place with 403 points, garnered from a featured article, a featured list, a good article and twelve GARs.
 * 🇺🇸 Ceranthor, 🇮🇳 Numerounovedant, Carbrera, 🇳🇱 Farang Rak Tham and 🇷🇴 Cartoon network freak all had over 200 points, but like all the other contestants, now have to start again from scratch. A good achievement was the 193 GARs performed by WikiCup contestants, comparing very favourably with the 54 GAs they achieved.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) and Vanamonde (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon: Jewish Women Artists (March 8, Oregon Jewish Museum)
On March 8 (International Women's Day), the Oregon Jewish Museum and Center for Holocaust Education and artist Shoshana Gugenheim will be hosting a Wikipedia edit-a-thon to create and improve Wikipedia articles about Jewish women artists. Click here for more information. You can also express interest or suggest articles to create or improve here. This event is free and open to the public, and will serve as both a public art action and a public educational program. Participation is welcome in person and remotely (for those outside of Portland). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

2017 Portland train attack
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 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:34, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Impeachment March
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Your GA nomination of Impeachment March
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Art+Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon (March 10, Pacific Northwest College of Art)
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Recommending new editors to WikiProject Oregon
Hi Another Believer,

Here is a new list of recommendations. Please take a look when you have a chance! Thank you!

Bobo.03 (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ I invited 2 editors, but didn't realize I had already reached out to one before. Oops! Not sure if there's a way to filter out previous recommendations, but that would help prevent editors from sending duplicate invites. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:55, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yes, this is not supposed to happen. I will look into it. Sorry about it.. Bobo.03 (talk) 17:23, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

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Couple things
Hi, and I hope all goes well. A couple of quick things. I've been adding italics to the titles of quite a few of your new art and statue pages over the past couple of years when they arrive, but I must have missed many and older pages, maybe you can check on a selection. Thanks. I also notice you are further categorizing statues into their home countries, which is cool if there are many of them, but can we maybe not go into that level of categorizing when there are only a couple or one in the country. I'm so used to adding things like 'Dogs in art', etc., that I don't think I'd be as enthused over that if I had to bother with 'Dogs in paintings in New Jersey' or some such. I'm one of those who don't like overcategorization, and you seem to divide things up pretty small sometimes. Not you, as far as I know, but there are categories that go five or six categories deep. Anyway, just personal preferences, except for the italicized titles, which I've worked on for years now in order to professionalize the encyclopedia. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:37, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Yes, I've appreciated your contributions to Wikipedia for a long time. I am good about italicizing in article prose, but I tend to forget to format Commons category names. I don't think italics are necessary in Commons titles, but I will try to be better about remembering to format them the way you do. Feel free to categorize as you see fit, and don't worry about adding subcategories if you prefer. "Dogs in art" in just fine -- the article will find its way to the right subcategories over time. Thanks again for the tips, and happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:13, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't mean commons, but visible space painting/sculpture article titles themselves. In editing a few years back now I noticed so many of our titles weren't italicized - plays, books, magazines, newspapers, paintings, other art, etc. - and the only topic which seemed to have been regularly italicized were films (and even those had and still have many outskirts where italics need to be added). So I begin italicizing titles, first mentions, items in captions, and quickly adapted my brain to scanning the text of articles for other incorrect italics/non-italics uses in order to further professionalize the encyclopedia (mostly on a subconscious level, as not many people concentrate on italics). I haven't stopped, and make italics runs on almost a daily basis, and as with all editors only I really know how much and where my personal work has improved the project. Those italics runs take me to other things of course, like template (navbox) improvements, to new avenues of research, and just up and down the full spectrum of pages and information on the visual and written arts. It's not something I can often talk about as a point of pride, which is why I'm going on a bit here, because friends look at me like "Wellll, okay". Besides a few (literally, not many) of those thanky things we can give, the one and only person who seemed to get it instantly and who gave me a huge thank you and then discussed the concept at length was Katherine Maher (who has the personality to praise things well). So that's why I mention it to you, because of your proficiency at creating articles on artworks, and you have created many pages I've probably missed in the italic-runs. Thanks again for your work here, I'm always interested in reading your new pages and see your ability to visit a city and swoop up all of its artworks into the encyclopedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:36, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, visiting a city and surveying its public art is one of my favorite activities. I am always amazed at the number of missing Wikipedia articles, which means much work remains! :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:420 kickoff soon?
Any big plans for the project this year? ☆ Bri (talk) 23:44, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Just going to be creating and improving as many articles as possible. I'm not really planning on doing much on- or off-wiki outreach. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:04, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, you probably noticed I posted on the talkpage I may have recruited xxxx to join and do some online outreach. They did the Cascadia logo for us. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Great! I started adding to the page, too. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:35, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of IAPM Mall


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on IAPM Mall requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. XSklzxDark (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Consider a tag that does not welcome a ten-year editor to Wikipedia? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of 1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon) for deletion
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Nomination of 2nd Avenue (Portland, Oregon) for deletion
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Nomination of 3rd Avenue (Portland, Oregon) for deletion
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Why?
Why do you insist on working in the draft space for articles you didn't create so you can request a move at WP:RM/TR to overwrite someone else's redirect, but when it's a redirect you've made you'll work on it there in article space? You can write whatever you like for the request—"oh I wasn't sure about its notability"—that's a transparent excuse, because I have never seen you work on a draft for an article you've already made a redirect for so that redirect can then be overwritten, because it would be pointless to you—your username is already there in the history 20 times over. I really feel you're acting in bad faith and not in the spirit of a collaborative encyclopedia by trying to remove others' redirect creation when they've made a redirect for a topic you're interested in before you. I'm quite sure you wouldn't like it done to you, so stop doing it to other users. I asked you not to do it before and you acquiesced, so in future, please don't remove my redirects just so you can have your name first. Suck it up: You can't create everything. Accept that you didn't make it first and work on the existing redirect instead of doing this underhanded excuse business. Thank you.  Ss  112   09:36, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I mean, hey, next time a drag queen puts out an album that's charted on a national chart, I could work in the draft space as well and overwrite the redirect you made for it. I mean, that's technically allowed. Is that cool with you?  Ss  112   10:02, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Good morning AB. If you are looking to create a redirect when one already exists, just overwrite it unless there is reason to believe it will be controversial. Going to RM/TR for non-controversial overwrites is a waste of everybody's time. And while I might have worded it a bit less forcefully, Ss112 has a point. Doing this selectively when the redirect was originally created by someone else might be seen by some as trying to bump your stats at another editor's expense. If you are concerned that there might be an objection the easiest way to deal with it is to just drop a courtesy note on the creating editor's talk page. You are clearly a solid editor who has contributed much to the project and I appreciate your hard work, as also your cooperation on this point. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going to argue about this. I've created many drafts, and many redirects. And you're wrong to assume I've never created a draft after creating a redirect. Feel free to override my redirects with drafts, I wouldn't care because you'd be improving Wikipedia, and you would deserve credit for putting in the work. You create many, many redirects, and I don't think you should be so offended when drafts override them now and then. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I trust you realise at this point that you are still credited in the article history for a large contribution made to the page. But from what you just said about "deserv[ing] credit", it appears you believe making a contribution to a collaborative encyclopedia means little if your username isn't first in the article history. As Ad Orientem said above, it's a waste of time to go to WP:RM/TR for this when you could have just wrote overwritten the existing redirect, and there's no reason why you can't—you've been on Wikipedia for quite a while and I'm sure you're aware of the basic requirements for an article, so saying you "weren't sure" if it was notable enough as your reason for the move doesn't really fly. As Ad Orientem also said, "the easiest way to deal with it is to just drop a courtesy note on the creating editor's talk page". Well, you won't need to drop me a note, because I do object to you doing this in future because it is not the first time and I don't think the reasons you've given (this time and others) are valid. I am used to it when "drafts override my redirects" and I understand when newbies do it, even though I don't think it needs to be done, but I generally think established editors can do better. it You don't wish to argue about it, so please just don't waste any page mover's time or annoy another user by requesting this type of thing, and just write over the top of the existing redirect yourself. Thanks.  Ss  112   22:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not commenting on this further. Happy editing, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Cool, there's no need to anyway. Just don't do it in future and all's well.  Ss  112   01:39, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Jackson
Hello. We're working on several buildings in Jackson, Mississippi with a couple of editors. Would you like to create the Confederate Monument (Jackson, Mississippi) please?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:18, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I created a very minimal stub. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:14, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Albert Rieker
FYI. Will expand later and perhaps you'll want to help too?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:41, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The stub is OK I think, but are you able to find pictures on Commons please? I'm not!Zigzig20s (talk) 00:22, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Haspel Brothers
Hello again. Can you please help with Haspel Brothers, one of the early manufacturers of seersucker suits? Not sure if I should create Joseph Haspel (obituary) instead. ("As the story goes, Mr. Haspel walked into the sea at a Florida convention and later attended a meeting of the board of directors in the same suit.")Zigzig20s (talk) 00:31, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm was interested in seeing missing articles identified on the Confederate memorials/monuments talk page because I have an interest in public art and sculpture, but I don't need so many requests here on my talk page. Thanks. You should also free to create stubs yourself! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OK.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:36, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:March for Our Lives logo.jpg
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Help Request
Per your invitation I joined WikiProject: Oregon and set myself a fairly lofty goal. I have run into something I do not know how to handle from where it is and you are my first choice for assistance.

Editor Imzadi1979 made an edit to Historic Columbia River Highway that removed the formatting of a citation I had worked on earlier in the day. It was converted from vertical format to horizontal (removed white space) as the only edit. I undid the revision as non-constructive and why and even that it was for my benefit as I worked to have it that way. The edit was re-applied with reasoning I find to be merit-less and without any initiated discussion. No time to research his position was taken and no cited MOS or help page for his reasoning.

What I do know is I read in one of the GA-BAH-JILLION manuals of style, tips, and ways of doing things that:
 * Storage on Wikipedia is virtually unlimited and the editor need not worry about such things.

I prefer the vertical format as it is much easier to read by humans and I feel that "disrupting the underlying flow of wikicode" would fall under this premise. I intend to work more on that article and the edit that was made by Imzadi1979 was not constructive or contributory to the quality of the article. It merely makes the wikitext markup harder to read by humans. I searched and read for more than an hour and I found no reference at all to his reasoning.

I fully recognize that both methods are acceptable as they are exampled in all template documentations, but this is a large article and to improve it I, as a human, need to be able to read the markup to edit it. Removing white-space it not an edit and isn't a benefit to much of anyone.

At this point it becomes an edit war, of which I will not participate and I would like a resolution to. Please advise should I need to broaden my understanding in this area or if I have taken any inappropriate actions.

Thank you very much for your time.

Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 03:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the note, but I have to admit, I'm not really sure how I can help. If you and User:Imzadi1979 cannot come to a solution on your own, you might consider posting a note on the article's talk page to see if any other editors weigh in. I think you recognize the importance of not edit warring, and I'd even encourage you to consider the idea of picking your battles. You may prefer one way, but sometimes letting someone else have their way is easier. There are ways to request third opinions on these sorts of things, but I hope you can find a way to resolve this on your own. I hope you continue contributing to Wikipedia, and look forward to seeing your work at WikiProject Oregon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:51, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

March for Our Lives Portland
LoL, removing source about Portland, Maine, so that explains 5,000 vs. 12,000. –84.46.53.38 (talk) 04:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Took me a second to realize the article was about Portland, Maine, until I saw a reference to Congress Street! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Sculptures list
Linked from the U.S. 50,000 campaign page, I followed your link to Talk:National_Statuary_Hall_Collection. That seems like a good effort. Thank you for making a list of redlinks in order to encourage creation of the missing sculptures, that is indeed appropriate to do. (This specific list is in Talk space, i am not checking yet whether the redlinks are in mainspace which would be appropriate also.) Thanks! --Doncram (talk) 04:56, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yes, I do this sort of work often. Another editor and I are moving through the National Statuary Hall Collection slowly, but surely. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:58, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Thunderfucking confusion
Any idea what to do with Alaska Thunderfuck vs Alaskan Thunderfuck? I just and am stymied. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the note at the top of the Alaska Thunderfuck article should say "For the cannabis strain Alaskan Thunderfuck, see Cannabis strains." They differ in name by the "n" in Alaskan only. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:24, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Changed with a slight difference in wording due to short-term memory glitch. If you want to make it your original proposal, I won't mind. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edit works for me! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:31, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, having given this more thought, I'm not sure we should be directing readers to the cannabis strains article, which does not actually mention Alaskan Thunderfuck at all. This is directing users to an unhelpful page, right? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:33, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * If somebody creates an art. for the strain, maybe during WP:420 collab, should we do anything differently? I.e. a full dabpage? ☆ Bri (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * At least some people are looking for it ☆ Bri (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think a dab (no pun intended, right?) page is needed since the names are not exactly the same. I think the note at the top of Alaska Thunderfuck should be removed until there is an article for Alaskan Thunderfuck. Perhaps we can add this to the list of missing articles for WP:420. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:37, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You should be trouted for that pun. But whoever takes on the strain article will find some good sources . I dig the 24-hour-sunlight agronomy/horticulture aspect (you know about Alaska's other huge weeds and such?), and the greater-Cascadia aspect too. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:54, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

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