User talk:Ansahalun

World Halal Day
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Please note that in accordance to our conflict of interest editing guidelines, I have moved your article to Draft:World Halal Day, as editors with a conflict of interest should not create articles straight onto the mainspace. When you are ready to submit the draft for review by our Articles for Creation reviewers, please do so by adding  to the top of the page. Thank you. Sdrqaz (talk) 11:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021
Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames which give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website, I have blocked this account; please take a moment to create a new account with a username that represents only yourself as an individual and which complies with our username policy or request a change of username. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline and be aware that promotional editing is not acceptable regardless of the username you choose. Additionally, if your contributions to Wikipedia form all or part of work for which you are, or expect to be, paid, you must disclose who is paying you to edit. Please also note that you are permitted to use a username that contains the name of a company or organization if it identifies you individually, such as "Sara Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87". If your username does not represent a group, organization or website, you may appeal this username block by adding the text at the bottom of your talk page. You may simply create a new account, but you may prefer to change your username to one that complies with our username policy, so that your past contributions are associated with your new username. If you would prefer to change your username, you may appeal this username block by adding the text   at the bottom of your talk page. Please note that you may only request a name that is not already in use, so please check here for a listing of already taken names. Thank you. clpo13(talk) 16:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, Halaltalks. I'm willing to discuss unblocking you if you think you can manage your conflict of interest in a way that works for us. Here is the minimum we require:


 * 1) You don't directly edit articles about your organization/its employees or volunteers or board members. Instead you make edit requests, which you can learn about at WP:Edit requests. (You are allowed to edit a draft and submit it at WP:AfC.)
 * 2) You disclose your conflict of interest on your user page. Instructions are at WP:Conflict of interest.
 * Are those limitations acceptable to you? valereee (talk) 19:12, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I'd like to hear the answers to whether you're willing to limit your editing per:
 * 1) You don't directly edit articles about your organization/its employees or volunteers or board members. Instead you make edit requests, which you can learn about at WP:Edit requests. (You are allowed to edit a draft and submit it at WP:AfC.)
 * 2) You disclose your conflict of interest on your user page. Instructions are at WP:Conflict of interest.
 * Are those limitations acceptable to you? valereee (talk) 00:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

You wrote that your "account was blocked for using my company name". Maybe you don't work for the organization that promotes the event you are writing about, but I don't think you have no relation to it. You weren't at the event at random. 331dot (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

While you are blocked, the only thing you can do is request to be unblocked. You have not adequately addressed the concerns given, especially related to your clear conflict of interest, and until you do, there is no pathway forward here. Someone else will review your request. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I just noticed your previous comment. Well, as I already mentioned I am new to wiki & dint know that every term we use matters. I created this account only for this article, I assumed that's how it works. I assumed I will have to create another one for another article, as the account name was always there on top of my article draft while I was working on it. I dint knew until I made it live, that while I make the article live the account name will not be reflected anywhere for the users. This particular organization conducted an event and I was a part of the audience, just as a spectator. I liked their idea and researched them. I wanted to contribute to the public by writing a wiki article with all ideas & goals of the event. However please let me know how to make my draft article live. I will follow it. I just don't want my effort to go meaningless. Is there any way my account can be activated.Ansahalun (talk) 06:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not every comment needs to be an unblock request. 331dot (talk) 08:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, please explain the comment "account was blocked for using my company name". You were either not telling the truth then, or not telling the truth now. Which is it? Accounts names are found all over Wikipedia, in logs and page edit histories. 331dot (talk) 08:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you just walk into this event off the street at random? 331dot (talk) 08:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I thought I have to create a new section every time by requesting for unblocking only. Got it now, thanks. Please help me out on how to clear the conflict of interest. Kindly guide me. I have attended their event not as their team but as a guest. Eg. like how any press person attends some movie launch function and then later writes about it. I was a part of their audience. I wished to write about the event post it on Wikipedia. Being a part of the event I claimed that I was writing for my organization that's all. As I mentioned already I am new to Wikipedia, but I have read a lot here and have benefited from it. I am curious to contribute to it. I didn't know that mentioning that 'my organization' is the cause of conflict of interest until your last 2 comments. I was however thinking of writing a mail to this organization, that contributed to their motive by writing an article about them on Wikipedia, but now I understand that I cant do it. Yet I don't want my efforts to go to waste. Please help me to just make it live. And I wouldn't claim anything more from it. Let it be my contribution to the public and not that particular organization. Please assist.

3rd attempt at assistance
I asked you twice, once on the 10th and once on the 18th, to answer some questions. You didn't answer me either time. Now you've changed your explanation, and I'm afraid I now no longer believe you're being truthful.

You'll get a lot further with me if you come clean, but I have to tell you, it's no longer something I would feel comfortable helping you with unless I get support from other people. So let me just tell you what you're now up against:


 * 1) You ignored my questions twice
 * 2) You appear to have changed your story

At minimum you're going to have to answer the questions, give us a much better explanation for why you moved from "My account was blocked for using my company name" to "This particular organization conducted an event and I was a part of the audience, just as a spectator," and really I'm not sure it's possible to recover if you don't admit you lied and convince us you won't do that again.

Let me emphasize again: you can edit indirectly with a COI, even a paid one. A COI does not mean you cannot make suggested edits. It simply means you have to make edit requests. But if we suspect you have a COI and are lying about it, no one will unblock you.

Would you like to come clean? Again, there's still no guarantee that you'll be unblocked even if you do. You'd have to convince more than just me that it wouldn't happen again. But it's definitely the only possible option for eventually getting unblocked. valereee (talk) 18:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Requesting help

Thanks for making it clear. Frankly speaking, the terms used and the way conversation happens here are all new to me. I am a beginner here. I had been so ignorant that I didn't even know that those comments you made on the 10th were your questions to me. I thought they were some generic wiki content which gives me clue on what can be done to get the article live. That's why I ignored it, assuming as I was directly talking to you, you would guide me the actual way out.

And being genuinely true, I am really not a part of that organization, which means I am not an insider. I am a freelance writer, we met at their event and this organization approached me to write an article for them. And as I was interested to explore Wikipedia I wanted to do it. You can read through my draft article, they are 100% genuine and true to my self-consciousness. I have done a thorough research of the facts and the past history of the event I was writing about. Once I complete writing and make it live, I will hand over the account to them. Thats why I earlier mentioned "my organization", But later when I came to know how all this works, I am clear now. I cant hand over any credentials to anyone. I will write and I will keep it for myself. And I can write/edit many more topics with the same account. It's a contribution I am making to the whole public. Just coz I have already taken the effort, I wish the article go live. And this article is my 6 months effort.

I dint even know what will be the outcome of the saying it is my company account. And I dint know something as conflict of interest. I believe every big worldwide organisations would have definetly had a person to write about them & would have shared all nessacery informations for the person to writing. I only believed in giving geniune content to wikipedia. I was ensuring that anything I write have to be valid & true to its nature. No facts can be cooked up. and I should never mislead the readers. When I researched in google about writing article in wiki, these were the points stresses over and over, and nothing technical. Now only I am learning the tech side of this platform.

By the way, who is a COI, how do I find one? Does this always have to be a paid one? Because I don't want any paid edits. I am already doing this article for free.

And I am okay with this below choice- 1)You don't directly edit articles about your organization/its employees or volunteers or board members. Instead, you make edit requests, which you can learn about at WP:Edit requests. (You are allowed to edit a draft and submit it at WP:AfC.) 2)You disclose your conflict of interest on your user page. Instructions are at WP:Conflict of interest. Are those limitations acceptable to you?

I may need some guidance though. Please help.

And please help me, with what more is needed to make the article not go waste, and go live, with my account blocked or unbloacked.
 * You said "this organization approached me to write an article for them"; this means you are a paid editor and have a "COI", which means conflict of interest(please click to read). How did they know that you were a freelance writer in order to be able to ask you to write about them? Instead of googling to learn how to edit, you should have just come here directly and learned from the source.
 * Accounts may not be used by more than one person. This account is for you and only you, and you may not give others access to it.  If a representative of the company wishes to contribute, they must create their own account and make the required paid editing declaration(just as you must). 331dot (talk) 10:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Pinging for awareness. 331dot (talk) 10:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, so there's a lot to unpack here. I'm not sure it's possible to be an unpaid freelancer, but I'll just assume good faith and that what you mean is you are doing this as a volunteer project for an organization you believe is worthy of your volunteer hours. However, even if you are volunteering for this organization, you do still have what Wikipedia considers to be a conflict of interest (COI), whether you approached them or they approached you, and whether you're being paid or not, that needs to be disclosed. So thank you for disclosing. If you're unblocked you'll need to post a statement on your user page; the instructions are at WP:COI.
 * Another major problem I'm seeing is that you don't seem to understand really anything at all about how Wikipedia works, and trying to write an article from scratch when you don't understand any of our policies is going to immediately get you into trouble again. For instance, "they are 100% genuine and true" doesn't mean anything here. We don't care that they exist. We care that they are WP:notable. To prove that you need to show us multiple WP:reliable sources providing WP:significant coverage that are independent of the subject. If you get unblocked, you can take the tutorial at WP:Wikipedia Adventure to learn the basics. But frankly, if what you're really here for is to write an article about this trade show, I'm not seeing much that convinces me it's notable. The first thing you do when you want to write an article is find those three sources that prove notability. On a quick google search I'm not seeing much, but maybe there are sources in other languages.
 * Writing an article from scratch is one of the most difficult things on Wikipedia, and it's not a great thing for beginners to do. Most editors, even some very experienced ones whose written English is competent, have never created an article from scratch. If you really want to contribute to Wikipedia, the way to start is by doing much much smaller tasks. Fix typos, for instance.
 * @331dot, how would you feel about conditions of posting the disclosure statement, taking the tutorial, and a restriction against article creation, appealable after 500 useful mainspace edits to give this user a chance to show us what they're here to do? valereee (talk) 15:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestion; that's probably just about what I would have come up with. I agree. 331dot (talk) 15:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Ansalhalun, would you be willing as a condition of unblock agree to:
 * Place a COI disclosure notice on your user page (instructions at WP:COI)
 * Complete the tutorial before editing again (it's at WP:Wikipedia Adventure)
 * Not create any articles, which you can appeal after you've made 500 useful edits to articles. (Right now you have two.) valereee (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Thanks for clearing out on many points here. But please give me a day time to read your comments thoroughly and understand them completely. You have also shared some ref links, I will go through them. So that I genuinely commit to where ever I promise to here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansahalun (talk • contribs)


 * Take all the time you need. For some reason notifications are not coming through for me here, so when you post, start the post with and end it with ~ or I might not see it. Anyone watching feel free to ping if I don't respond in a reasonable time. valereee (talk) 19:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify your doubts, world halal day does not only conduct trade shows, their actual vision is towards serving the needy people & environment. Like planting trees, constructing food banks etc, They conduct this annual event in different countries, to connect the like-minded people, which they had been doing for 6 consequent years. They also organize trading channels, investments, networking, award shows etc as part of their event for that particular background of people. I enrolled for their event and got a chance to meet with one of their team members at the event. While discussing our interests, we landed up talking about this particular article. I am not being paid though. It's just my contribution that I am willingly made for their good intention.

I take your advice on how to handle writing on wikipedia. I will follow your direction.

Yes I agree to the below -

Place a COI disclosure notice on your user page (instructions at WP:COI) '''Yes will do. But let me pls take some time to go through the COI disclosure guideline before I write it so that I don't repeat any further mistakes. '''

Complete the tutorial before editing again (it's at WP:Wikipedia Adventure) Sure, I must do this.

Not create any articles, which you can appeal after you've made 500 useful edits to articles. (Right now you have two.) '''1. Can I not even move my already draft article live without doing this. 2. Or is there a way to get any help from someone here to move it live. like request edit etc. 3. And by any chance can you reduce this to 100 edits, please. Its my kind request. I want to take up doable tasks, so that I really do it. 4. I have to make some changes in the draft article, though making it live or not. Just some edits like text corrections, Grammar etc. Can I do that. ''' Please assist. Thanks Ansahalun (talk) 14:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Ansahalun, take as much time as you need to read the disclosure guidelines, or ask for help at WP:Teahouse, as long as you complete both that step and the tutorial before you start editing articles.
 * No, you may not move that article to mainspace until after you've successfully appealed this restriction. Yes, you may work on the draft. If (after doing the tutorial) you get the draft to the point where you believe it is ready for mainspace, you may ask at Teahouse for advice on whether they think it's ready. If they say it is, but no one at Teahouse moves it for you, you can ping me to take a look. But before you take it to Teahouse, you should be very confident it really is ready. They will stop answering you if they think you're wasting their time. And FWIW wasting other editors' time is widely considered to be disruptive, which is a blockable offense.
 * I'm sorry, but IMO 100 mainspace edits isn't anywhere near enough to learn how we work and to show us you're here to build an encyclopedia (rather than simply to create this one article). But don't fret, 500 edits is not difficult. I've made 58 edits to mainspace just in the first few days of this month. I made over 700 last month. Find something you're interested in -- I'd suggest maybe Islamic dietary laws, a topic which you clearly have an interest in and an article you have already edited once -- and go fix things there. That article is in terrible shape, and has been tagged multiple times over the past 15 years, and those tags have never been addressed. This is a top importance article for WP:WikiProject Islam, and no one has bothered to try to fix it. Maybe try to fix the citation needed tags. You probably know where to find that information in reliable sources. You could make yourself very useful. valereee (talk) 18:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, I should place the COI disclosure notice on my user page right. But i am not able to edit it or even create the user page of my account. Can you please help, what should I do. Ansahalun (talk) 11:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Ansahalun, it's because you still aren't unblocked. You'd asked whether you could appeal after 100 edits instead of after 500, and I said I didn't think that was enough. You hadn't responded to that? valereee (talk) 12:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh, understood. Yeah, I go by your advice. However, it will be kind of you, if some deduction on the number of edits is given.Ansahalun (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, of course it's up to you when you appeal, but the point is that at around 500 mainspace edits, other editors start to be able to see that you are here for the right reasons: to build an encyclopedia. Impatience to get back to doing something else -- creating an article about World Halal Day, for instance -- just shows other editors that that is your actual objective here. So if you want to appeal before you're at 500, that's really up to you. I'll unblock so that you can get started on
 * Disclosing
 * Tutorial, and after you've done those two:
 * Building up those mainspace edits. valereee (talk) 15:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Unblocked
I've unblocked. When you are ready to appeal, the place to do so is at Administrators noticeboard. valereee (talk) 15:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, understood. Thanks you for the support. I hope I can reach out to you incase I need any assisstance. Ansahalun (talk) 15:12, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocked
As part of the conditions of your unblock, you promised to disclose your conflict of interest on your user page. This was already required under WP:COI, but was specifically part of your promise to be unblocked. Instead, you refused to do so and refused to complete the tutorial, after promising to do so, and have continued editing in the very subject area for which you have a conflict of interest, making poor quality and unsourced edits such as this one.As you have demonstrated we cannot trust you, I have blocked you indefinitely. --Yamla (talk) 09:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * FYI, I am still studying what is the format of ROI and preparing the COI for my page. But meanwhile wanted to check if I am able to make any edits. If you notice I have made simplest of the edit to just check it works fine. As while I was blocked it dint happen. Now I understand that you want me to first submit COI even before I do anything to any article. Please unblock me so that I can proceed to add ROI content to my page. Ansahalun (talk) 07:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:World Halal Day
Hello, Ansahalun. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:World Halal Day, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again&#32;or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 20:01, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:World Halal Day


Hello, Ansahalun. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "World Halal Day".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 21:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)