User talk:Antandrus/Archive15

Archive 15: mainly September 2006.

Ray Lopez Related Attacks
It is getting amusing, latest Ray Lopez meat puppet is now accusing me of being Ray, and flinging personal attacks. The individual in question is also harrassing me at my home phone number. The Ray Lopez thing has been going on for well more than a year, and this outbreak has been going on for two weeks. for examples. Stirling Newberry 22:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, I am not Ray Lopez, I was making an observation on your actions related to our disagreement of [Gold Standard] Stirling. I would appreciate it if you would concentrate on the two open cases we have on the Administrators Notice Boards before you go around accusing me of being your "sockpuppet." T Turner 22:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Whether or not you are "Ray Lopez", I have looked at your edits, and your account clearly has no purpose other than to attack Stirling. Since I can't think of a reason to allow you to continue to waste our time, you have been blocked.  Please leave us alone.  This isn't Usenet, it's not a flame board, it's not the Free Republic, and we take our policies on harrassment, personal attacks, and civility seriously here.  Thanks.  Antandrus  (talk) 02:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The "M" organization
Hi: Thanks for your response the other day. The IT sexctor has provided a living of sorts but it has been neither terribly remunerative nor (increasingly) fun. But as you say it's definitely better than the usual track for us terminal degree holders. I keep my hand in as best I can, both here and at home (where I sing in the choir at church and conduct there when needed--nice to be married to the organist, and fool increasingly with composing and arranging, which I can do more or less independently of other people).

Tell me about your involvement with M. I have been completely uninvolved so far (joined in early 2004), largely because their events and my schedule have not aligned until recently. I am hoping to get to an introductory event sometime soon. The events also often seem to involve buying meals and sometimes lodging, and our finances have not been such that I feel I can do that, though I was told that I could always attend an event but not buy anything. What's your take on the whole thing? Thanks! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

And a small addendum
From Whitman's A Passage to India, lines that I love (both on their own and the way RVW sets them in A Sea Symphony) and that could sum up one's approach to Wikipedia:

''Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!

''Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;

''For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,

''And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

''O my brave soul!

''O farther, farther sail!

''O daring joy, but safe! Are they not all the seas of God?

O farther, farther, farther sail!

--Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have never heard the Hindemith setting but would love to sometime, though my experience of his music written after the early 40s or so is that it's clearly Hindemith but not generally very interesting--he just seems to go through the motions. (One buddy of mine from Aspen days decades ago always described Hindemith's music as "Looks like Bach, sounds like hell.") I believe I read somewhere once that someone (apparently with muchos cojones) asked him once why he wrote so much music when only 20% of it was worthwhile. He responded by saying that without the 80% there would not have been the 20%. (What a great reply!) So the Requiem is high-quality? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Too many thanks
I'd give you an other star, but that would be redundant. So here is three cheers to one of the best vandal/troll slayers around. Hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray. K O S | talk 20:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Removing things from my talkpage?
Antandrus, I'm wondering if you could explain why you've been removing other users attempts to communicate with me from my talkpage? I find it very frustrating when people take the time to leave me a note and it's removed before I see it. --Improv 18:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I answered you on your talk page. Typically when I shoot a vandal account I just rollback everything.  Antandrus  (talk) 18:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, my bad. I didn't spot the changed image. I don't mind the removals then. Take care. --Improv 19:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a long talk with the user over IM (he contacted me), and I believe he's going to stop the problem behaviour. I've taken the liberty of unblocking -- I hope you don't mind. Your judgement was sound in blocking, I believe, and sometimes long talks are worthwhile in changing things. If I'm wrong about his intent, feel free to block again -- I don't have a stake in the unblocking. Take care. --Improv 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Kpavery
User:Kpavery. Check out this guy. From SB. High schooler, I think. He could help work on WP:WPSBC. --hello, i'm a member  |  talk to me!  01:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
Ahh, I hadn't known that. I'll run for WP:PROXY or the nearest sysop on IRC, next time I see something like it. :) Luna Santin 05:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Condor
I started a split, but do need more help.--Mfranck 11:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Your vote on an AFD
Hi there! I know we haven't talked much (or indeed at all, from what I can remember), but you have a lot of barnstars from people I admire, and as such, I trust you by proxy :-P. I was wondering if you might throw your vote in at Articles_for_deletion/Hero_Clothing, as the entire article is cut and copied from the companies website at. Use your own judgement, of course, but I'm rather convinced that the article doesn't really warrant inclusion. HawkerTyphoon 03:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That was a lovely sentiment in the vote. I didn't expect that, it made me smile:-) Keep up the good work, it is 5am and I am going to bed. HawkerTyphoon

"Braggish"?
Hello, Antandrus. You reverted your addition here because it "looked braggish": the edit was a statement of bare truth, and you are right to be proud of it! Take the "stay on for a while" option, please. Here's to the next 22,000! Best regards, RobertG &#9836; talk 09:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Robert. I'll put it back for a bit.  :-) Antandrus  (talk) 14:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Reuters, etc. Yahoo! vandal
Could you semi-protect those pages again? He's still at it. What a strange vandal! Stephen Aquila 17:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Well, all I've seen him do is redirect the home pages of newspaper services to their Yahoo! feed, and he likes to mention on the talk pages of news channels (MSNBC, Fox, etc.) that he's found a live stream of them at a certain IP address.  I really have no idea why he's doing it, either.  I mean, some of his earlier sock puppets didn't shy from the standard "replace the page with a curse word" vandalism on other pages, but that's all I've seen him do on newspaper and news channel pages.  Stephen Aquila 22:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandal/concerto
Yeah, I noticed that that was the vandal's modus operandi. When we were fixing them the other night I tended to delete all his image reversions, so it wouldn't look like he was doing the vandalism reverting, and so that I wouldn't have to check all the images. Most of my Concerto stuff used Newcomb as their main source, so if you find stuff that doesn't, I'd be happy to hear about it and see if I can get it from NY Public. I didn't find much in Einstein, but I might not have looked in the right places. Even though Concerto is an FA now (woo!) I think it still needs some clarity in terms of the musical style, and better structure. But I'm feeling a little worn out on those aspects of it at the moment :) Oh well, maybe I'll write some articles on Lully operas. ...dinner party now, perhaps I'll see you in the recent changes later :P Cheers, Mak (talk)  22:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You've got mail! About Gesualdo! Score! Mak (talk)  04:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

ZOMG!!!1!
I was actually going to say the same thing to you! =D Yank  sox  02:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, pal.
It's nice to feel wanted again. :) I've spent time on other Wikia wikis and even have bureaucratic rights on them...but man, they're lonely.  Slow going.  Anyway, it's nice to be back among friends.  Need to get the lay of the land with all the new image licensing templates and such. - Lucky 6.9 16:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Stirling Newberry
There is something I have wondered. First note I am the NCV, but I have given p vandalism. This is unrelated to my vandalism.

Anyway, what I have wondered is whether Stirling is the same as the users harassing him? Maybe he'd actually just a troll. I'd like to request a checkuser on the matter. The things which make me think this are

1:User:Ray Lopez made an edit to his talk page around the time that Stirling came back from his wikibreak.

2:The harassers can't be watching him 24/7, but both Stirling and the harassers seem to be editing at around the same time. Maybe he's just switching his accounts from one to another and trying to fake a harssment going on between users.

Although this may not be true, I would like to see a checkuser to find out whether these are the same person. This includes Ray Lopez, T Turner, and the others. Shminh 16:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually they have been checkusered; look in the block log. There's a long history of abuse coming from the person behind the "Ray Lopez" account, but beyond about a year ago I can't tell who is who.  I've known Stirling for a couple of years, and I don't see any reason why he would make sockpuppets to attack himself; I know that was a charge Ray made, but it just doesn't make any sense.


 * You know, security companies often hire former hackers to help them. If you are really a reformed vandal and have stopped, you can help us.  I always had a hunch you were a smart kid who might join the good side some day.  While I might be wrong, I won't stop you if you want to help.  Cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I take back my offer to help, since you are vandalising tonight. You have to stop lying, and actually stop vandalising before I'm going to bother with you.  Antandrus  (talk) 02:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not vandalizing. Show me a vandlism edit I have made since August 27.Shminh 15:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

No angry mastodons
Thank you for a beautiful edit comment. You've really put a smile on my face. Durova 17:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

GRE
I didn't fail! (whatever that means) but I didn't do great either... Whatever, I probably shouldn't be editing WP, a little drunk. Perhaps I can revert some obvious vandalism. Mak (talk)  02:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, heck, drink some more. Getting through the GRE is a cause for celebration.  Besides, it's Friday night.  Cheers!! Antandrus  (talk) 02:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I am :P Anyway, have you ever listened to the Elliott/Patrizia Kwella version of the Beggar's Opera? It's a favorite recording of mine, you should check it out. Paul told me his kids used to call it the "daddy sing" album :) sweet. Mak (talk)  03:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC) .../me goes off to revert vandalism


 * (wow, an edit conflict on my own talk page!) No, actually I don't know it:  sounds like I'd love it.  I'm busy trying to write something for a concert next month, while being sporadically distracted by watchlists, recent changes, and other things Wikipedian.  Wikipedia usually wins.  Antandrus  (talk) 03:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * P.S. If you see me doing anything particularly dumb, tell me to go to bed. Mak (talk)  03:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I tell you what, I'll open another bottle of wine and we'll be even. :-) Antandrus  (talk) 03:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good :) The bit I was just listening to was "Fill ev'ry glass/for wine inspires us/and fires us/with courage love and joy. You should check it out. It's on one of the harmonia mundi labels, I think maybe it's harmonia mundi France, although why I don't know. Mak (talk)  03:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sonata problems
Hi Antandrus. It's been a long time since we've caught up with each other. I see you're still a keen editor of music articles. I'm now approaching you in that capacity, and in your role as an admin. There have been continuing difficulties at Sonata form and History of sonata form, along with other articles addressing sonata (of which there are far too many, but that's another matter). I would be very grateful if you would review the situation, looking at those two articles and also at their talk pages. A useful conspectus of some of the issues is to be found at User_talk:Rainwarrior. As you know, I am a serious editor in these areas, and I have been patient (well, I also call a spade a spade in edit summaries). But I now need some advice from you about the best way forward. If things can't be put on a better footing, I fear that the suite of articles on musical form, in which Wikipedia has a genuine opportunity to excel, will be jeopardised. Thanks! – Noetica 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your prompt reply to this at my talk page, Antandrus. Yes, Stirling and I do overreact to each other. For that reason I do not get into direct discussion with him: from my point of view, we are so different that it would be futile to attempt to engage him in dispassionate dialogue aimed at improving articles. I used to try; it didn't work. As I say, I can only claim this as my point of view! My style is to be meticulous in editing, and to declare my hand in edit summaries. If that can't work to make certain articles better, I'll probably stay away from those articles. (We must make what we can of the possible, as an ancient friend of ours reminds us!) Thanks, once more. We'll see what others have to say, and do. – Noetica 02:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for reverting my userpage. DVD+ R/W 03:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And many thanks for reverting my talk page -- Samir धर्म 17:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You're both quite welcome: anything to make Wikipedia a nicer place.  Cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 17:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Glass
Yeah, the problem was that there were actually two edits close together by different people. Perhaps I should have left the infobox, but frankly I kind of hate them, so if the people adding them can't do it right, I'm not going to bother to fix it. That other guy has inserted the "banal" comment a couple of times, so I've left another comment on his talk page about NPOV and WP:V. Hopefully it will help, but more likely I'll get a long rant about how his music is banal, and how dare I deny people the truth. Oh well. Cheers, Mak (talk)  20:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * (hums an ascending first-inversion triad many times) -- yes indeed. (I vaguely remember writing the Uncyclopedia entry on Glass, but I was probably drunk at the time.)  Antandrus  (talk) 20:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I make no comment on my true feelings about Glass' music. I just think accusing an artist of banality is just about the harshest thing you can do, and if you're going to do it you really have to do it right. If the guy got some good sources, a supporting paragraph, a couple other major composers/critics/conductors calling him banal, that'd be fine. ps I do really like a lot of minimalist music. Just not Glass. I think he's banal. Mak (talk)  20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL, just read your piece on Uncyclopedia. Brilliant. I think it was better as you originally wrote it than how it's ended up, except that I like that the "throw this CD across the room thing" has been templatized. Mak (talk)  20:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :-)  I liked Mindspillage and David Gerard's contributions to it too.  Antandrus  (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup. Mak (talk)  03:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * de nada. :-) Antandrus  (talk) 03:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

A way I will surely stop vandalizng
First, I admit to creation of attack accounts on September 9, 2006. however This is not vadnalism. It is not exactly at least. It can be considered "trolling" or "disruption", but this is not "vandalism".

I will promise to neither vandalize articles nor create attack accounts again, although this will not always hold true. Do not revert hhis edit, as it is meant in good faith.

Anyway, a way in which I will surely stop vandalizing is if you restore an edit to Haathi Mere Saathi back in to the hsitroy. It was made on April 9, 2006, and includes some important content I have needed for months. i will surely stop my vandalism if you restore that to the history. Although i9twas vandalism, it was made back in April and the edits since then will overwrite it.Woivazhoinzuz 00:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * A way you can "surely stop vandalizing" is to stop vandalizing. Only you control your own behavior.  It's really a fairly simple concept.  Antandrus  (talk) 04:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Open proxies
I noticed that you blocked a couple of IPs as open proxies. How can you tell when they are? Regards, DVD+ R/W 03:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've seen that before but didn't know what to make of it. Now that you point it out it makes sense. Thanks, DVD+ R/W 03:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Go raibh maith agat!


72.22.71.39
Just a 24-hour block? Just wondering... Thisthema n  03:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * True. Your call.  Makes sense.   Thisthema  n  03:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I just felt like leaving another comment anyway, just for the sake of it.  Thisthema  n  03:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The Kindness Campaign
Hi there: I have stumbled across this and it sounds nice but I have no idea how to sign up. You signed up, so how do I? Just by adding the template to my userpage? That would be too simple, I would think... --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Nightline
Thanks! (I'm wearing them again today, in fact; they're a favorite pair.) The story went better than I was afraid it might... overall not too bad, except for that "9 other languages" bit! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Intellect
Hello, Antandrus. This amusing edit reminded me of a story that I heard Denis Norden tell once: Bertrand Russell went out with some friends in the States, and they picnicked in their car in a no-parking zone. A policeman came up, pointed to the "no parking" sign, looked at Russell and said, "Can't you read?" Best wishes, RobertG &#9836; talk 08:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that Denis Norden (the late Frank Muir was the other one). I used to love both My Word! and My Music.  Would they were still on.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 16:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Satanism
Thank you for your efforts to protect the page for Satanism. Unfortunately, users are still vandalizing or inappropriately editing the page with unsourced comments in the lead, and are failing to enter into the discussion page to work out proposed edits or locate verifiable sources for information. What action can be taken to prevent this in the future? -Lvthn13 23:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have entered into discussions with lvthn13 deletes your posting. You ask for reverence about Satanism http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis5.htm If you want more I can provide more links. Satanism was not founded by Anton LaVey. You should ask for reverences about ths. Anton LaVey started Church Of Satan not Satanism as the article claims

But if you disagree with this a lot of people get unset.

Posted by Jungle1003 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jungle1003 (talk • contribs).

The following user has attempted to include links to websites distributing illegal pirate copies of books: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=59.184.34.185

I am unsure what to do about this, can you advise? -Lvthn13 19:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of any specific policy prohibiting links to sites that advocate illegal activity; but you'd certainly be within your rights to take the link away and make the case for doing so on the talk page, for it seems like common sense to me. WP:EL has our policies on external links. Antandrus  (talk) 22:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Mail
You have e-mail. Mak (talk)  23:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * and again.... Mak (talk)  18:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert on my talk page
Much appreciated.--Taxwoman 12:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Re Nicolas Gombert article
Hi, I'm quite new to editing articles on here, which is why I removed the 1980 Grove reference from the article on Nicolas Gombert which you then restored. Obviously if it's your source that's fair enough, but I wouldn't recommend that article in general as it has quite a lot of errors. Is there a way of separating sources for the article from further reading?

Cheers, Sterencio

Thanks Antandrus
Hi Antandrus, I just wanted to thank you for your support during my recent RfA. I am thrilled to tell you it concluded today with a final tally of 160/4/1. I feel completely blown away by the incredibly generous support I received from so many fantastic, respected administrators and editors and I will do my absolute best to ensure I don't let anyone down. Thanks again for your support, Antandrus. Cheers mate, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)