User talk:Antelan/Archives/2008/May

Thanks
Thanks, Antelan. Went back to correct and you'd alread done it for me (: —— Martinphi    ☎ Ψ Φ —— 16:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Whenever I'm not being a pest, I try to be helpful. Antelan talk  16:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Spade
I responded on my page. Wasn't sure if you were watching it, or not.Woonpton (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

re "psychosomatic" & its possible causes
Hang on a mo! I haven't finished it yet! ——  Tegiap (talk) 08:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure, so I just tagged it as reading informally (not suggesting it be deleted or anything). Thanks, Antelan talk  08:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Legal
I listed enough comma-delimited reasons that if one doesn't apply, the others should. : ) I'm sure in Europe it's legal to discuss the theory (report on it, etc.) so long as one doesn't endorse it. -- Nealparr  (talk to me) 09:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also a fan of the try-everything approach. Patients don't seem to like it, though. Antelan talk  09:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's funny because whenever I go see the doctor they have a less is more approach. I should probably should switch insurance carriers. -- Nealparr  (talk to me) 09:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I stick my hand into the X-ray beam at least once a day so I can feel like I get my money's worth. Antelan talk  09:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Please
Please stop telling me how to edit Wikipedia. If you think you have cause, report me to AN/I. Otherwise, please don't tell me how I should edit. —— Martinphi    ☎ Ψ Φ —— 23:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If you edit according to the norms, I'll have no need to remind you of etiquette. You've taken a very antagonistic approach here in suggesting that I report you to AN/I. I am merely letting you know about your own missteps so that you can correct them yourself. Antelan talk  23:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Podiatry
Allopathic crap again. I just went to the article to get some information about how podiatrists are licensed in the US, and I saw allopathic being used vs. osteopathic. Lots of IP editing, so not sure if Hopping was involved, but it reads like his stuff. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 23:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Given the IP's interest in football, I doubt they're one in the same. I'll take a look at that page. Antelan talk  23:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And you totally beat me to it. Nice work. Antelan talk  00:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Chiropractic
Over beers, chips, cigars, scotch whiskey, and numerous hands of Texas hold 'em, I asked several surgeons what they think of chiro. You should have heard the laughs. Basically, their opinion was that chiropractors do nothing specific; it's just that in some percentage of the cases, patients get better, because the body heals itself. So instead of believing that the body just heals itself, they think the chiro did it. Medical denialism. As I've been studying AIDS denialism, I see the same anti-science, or even what I now call science denialism, becoming prevalent. I know that medicine sometimes moves forward with guesswork. I know the story on how the first cardiologist and veterinarian invented coronary stents (I heard it first hand, and it's funny). I know how some amazing medical technology rose and feel during it's development. But in the end, it was science that made it last. That's what I don't get about all the anti-science CAM beliefs--if it works, let's prove it. It's not that hard. If chiropractic works, let's see a trial. Just one. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 23:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm with you there. I confess that I have a feeling that chiropractic will prove useful for things like work-related back pain. Until RCTs come back with any evidence, however, I still think that providers such as chiropractors do provide a valuable service to physicians (yes, physicians): namely, they keep the patients who have no specific problem from entering the healthcare system. That said, of course, there is a serious risk of harm when the patient actually has a serious problem and the midlevel provider doesn't understand that they can't actually cure it through good intentions. Antelan talk  23:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I never thought of it your way. Use the quacks for the minor stuff, saving the healthcare system from treating the minor stuff.  Wow.  That's good. Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 23:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Antelan <--- Always trying to push the workload onto someone else. Antelan talk  00:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Lazy ass.  Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 00:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

gotta weigh in on this,having been involved in the first efforts in the u.s. on minimally invasive discectomy, 20+ years ago. (turns out the procedure/device in question wasn't the answer.)in the end, relief of the patients' symptoms has to be the goal. i've known more people to say,' i saw neurosurgeons, i saw orthopaedic surgeons, i had 2 surgeries, i saw physiatrists and physiotherapists for years. i saw a chiropractor? my back hasn't felt this good in years.' i even knew one neurosurgeon to espouse this pov, although he also said they (chiros) wreck a disc themselves every now and then.now, to suggest that all disease is a result of spinal misalignment is patent nonsense.as for having o2 saturated water bubbled up my ass, i'll take a pass on that, thanks. they've branched out into nutrition during my lifetime, and most efforts to improve that in this country can't be bad.jury is still out in some ways.oh yeah, 2 of their schools field good rugby sides. Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Szlevi
Have you seen some of the uncivil comments he's making. He makes me look like a positive nice guy. I'm offended that there's someone that's meaner than me. :(  Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 22:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He called me an egghead, nowhere near uncivil enough to even pique my interests. Hopefully he's found more engaging epithets for you. I know you have a high tolerance for insults (and scotch?). Antelan talk  05:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

CSD
Having an empty category is normally a speedy deletion criteria, because we have no use for empty categories. is a also speedy because it is non-controversial. However, in this case someone is arguing that this category SHOULD be populated, and WP:CFD is where those decisions can be made by consensus. — xaosflux  Talk  11:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha, thanks for the helpful reply. Antelan talk  22:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

RfB Comments
As explained there, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my motives/intentions, and I describe in detail why. I would request that you read what I wrote, and I am interested if you have a response. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 21:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have responded there. Antelan talk  22:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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