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Sine
First of all, what was written was not my claim (you write you announced that it would take you several weeks to present sources for your claim) and I can't ever recall claiming anything related to the topic so I cannot explain another user's edit because I don't know what he had in mind. Frasheri makes it pretty clear that the Kastrioti family was from the Sine region, but I haven't found in the book where he proposes Skandernbeg's birthplace to be. He does, however, say: ''Me dy nentor 1985, ne fshatin Sine te rrethit te Dibres u perurua muzeu i Kastrioteve, nje muze lokal me permasa modeste, por me nje permbajtje te madhe historike. Ai i kushtohet familjes se shquar te Kastrioteve dhe vendlindjes se Gjergj Kastriotit Skenderbe.''. I will continue to search for more sources.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 05:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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First of all please stick to this policy. Mentioning South Slavic instead of all of the Slavic languages is common practice in many articles that aren't related to a particular South Slavic ethnic group(especially articles of names), because users tend to exclude all other languages except for their preference and that leads to edit wars i.e on Stefan Crnojevic the title mentioned both Montenegrin and Serbian, but an IP removed Montenegrin etc.-- — ZjarriRrethues —  talk 15:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Spani-Talkpage
Please don't use my talkpage as a medium for NPA. Btw on Koja Zaharia when you reached the 3RR I could have reported you immediately but I didn't because I'm assuming good faith. As for articles: No one has the right to act as if they are the owner of a particular article. on wikipedia and  if a user asks you not to edit their user pages, it is probably sensible to respect their requests i.e I'm going to archive your message and ask you to respect my request and you could also ask me to not contact you via your talkpage, which would be absolutely sensible and respectable. Btw feel free to start any article that I 've started as a draft as I don't consider that the subjects are my property or that I have exclusive rights to write articles about them just because I've started a draft. That being said please don't compare 614-character drafts with actual articles that have a content of c. 2k. Writing a decent article requires some research and time i.e I started writing the article Spani family after finishing Alessio Span, but because I tried to write a decent article I finished it later than your draft. -- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 13:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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National Library of Serbia
Please don't blank out sourced content on National Library of Serbia. The event is relevant to the topic and is accurately presented per the sources. I shortened the parts that deal with the event per your request about undue weight but don't blank it out again. Btw-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Srbi i Arbanasi
Here you have online version: Milan Šufflay, Srbi i Arbanasi (1925).--Zoupan (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Stefano Magno
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DYK for Arshi Pipa
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DYK for Avram Miletić
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Extremistic actitivity in Partition of Albania
Due to the latest canvassing campaign, I believe you need to know that you have been in the list of anti-Albanian users [], by User:Euriditi and Olsi. Hopefully their childish battleground mentality has to stop.Alexikoua (talk) 22:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

What's sick in this situation is that he is asking other people to add additional names of suspected activity. Complete wp:battle activity.Alexikoua (talk) 15:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Photo of borek shop
OK, so the photo you removed from the Börek article was not the best. (not well focused, bad framing) But it DID show a typical Borek shop, including the usual table and chairs outside and, if you look closely, an open kitchen behind the sales counter. Can we find a better picture to include these features? (As for placement of the next section's photo, that problem can be solved in a variety of ways). --@Efrat (talk) 07:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Independent Albania for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Independent Albania is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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International Boundary Commission
Some references you may find helpful: [] and especially [].Alexikoua (talk) 16:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Pashalik of Yanina
I am trying to clear up the backlog of split tags. You have asked for and have support to split this article. Unfortunately, I cannot determine what you want to do enough to be able to make the split. Would you be willing to make the split? Op47 (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * There's no deadline per se, I am just trying to find out what your intentions are, and to prevent the issue becoming delinquent. There are other articles that have been tagged for over a year, 3 months is not a problem. Regards Op47 (talk) 10:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Baleč
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Map on Sati (castle)
Hi, Antidiskriminator, I saw your message at Template:Did you know nominations/Sati (castle). I guess it's okay to keep the map as is for now, but of course, it would be better if the map author can generate a correct version as soon as possible :) Thanks for your efforts!  — Toдor Boжinov — 12:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXI, February 2012
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Hey. I see your article Independent Albania hasn't been deleted. That is good for you, I know myself how frustrating it is when your hard work gets proposed for deletion. No hard feelings I hope, as I did vote to delete your article. Just while I'm here could you just look over this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ottoman Empire. There are some threads need answering. Cheers.  Uhlan  talk  06:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Γιάννενα
Off course, by the way I assume that P. of Ioannina was the realm of Ali?Alexikoua (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Translation request
I will try to translate as close to the original as possible. Not aiming for pretty English. My comments in "[]". Unfortunately the link to the source does not work for me. Please feel free to ask if something is not clear.

By this [By reminding in 1463 the senate in Venice of the deeds of his ancestors], he achieved to be allotted/granted a payed position [Not clear what kind of position. The choice of words suggests a position as soldier or civil servant] in Skutari. 140 The land estate of the Humoj was still substantial. Since 1441, Radic and Maran Humoj administered Gleros near Skutari which once was in possession of the Bonzi. 141 Quasi to affirm his family's claims, Andreas Humoj went to Venice in 1464 and told of the deeds of his ancestors. Eight years later he returned to the lagoon [to Venice]. The purpose of this trip is not known. At the height of the fight over Skutari another mission of the Humoj arrived in Venice: they recapitulated the history of a family which had fought for Venice for many decades and which had thereby lost many of its members. Proudly the Humoj pointed out that already the third generation of Humoj was serving the Signoria. 144 All of their ownership titles were confirmed once more. However they did not enjoy their lands/real estates and functions/offices ["titles"] for long. Like the Moneta many Humoj died in the Ottoman wars ["Türkenkriege"; not sure which wars exactly are meant here]: among those who died in the battles of Skutari there were also Koja, Tanush, Duka, Michael und Piero Humoj.145 In view of these events, the destiny of Andreas Humoj appears puzzling: He committed treason and was sentenced to death by general captain ["Generalkapitan"; not sure about the translation of this title] Triadan Gritti. The judgement was enforced by a Tuzi.

Done. bamse (talk) 09:53, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Re-checked, but it certainly says "a Tuzi" [ein Tuzi]. Perhaps, if the people from Tuzi are called Tuzi (not sure whether they are), could that make sense? Maybe ref 146 could help? bamse (talk) 22:57, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Skenderbeg Crnojević
Expand x5 and nominate to DYK - Do you have any sources that we can expand with?--Zoupan (talk) 20:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Kastrioti Family
1 "Dictionarium Latino Epiroticum", Fransiscus Blanchus 2 Britannica Encyclopedia, Albania, Medieval Culture, 2007 hello my friend, thοse sources concern strong above the implicit there, that Kastrioti family is of Byzantine Greek origin. These are my edits wherever you can use them, I am really bored to occupy with ... see you. --109.242.113.155 (talk) 01:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. I noticed your message on my talk page pointing to medieval primary source and tertiary source (Britannica Encyclopedia) which support your evaluative claim that Kastrioti family is of Byzantine Greek origin. Please have in mind that according to Wikipedia policy "Articles may make an analytic or evaluative claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source."
 * Therefore before adding this claim to any article please try to provide a reliable secondary sources like I did when I added information that Kastrioti family name has been derived from the Greek word κάστρο using three secondary academic sources. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank's for you interest. Yes, but what happens since there is a strong evidence back in time for an element like this? (I mean Byzantine Periode, Greek name - κάστρο- etc) plus there sould be sourced the opinion of the albanian(?) origin of kastrioti family wikipedia policies claim that unsourced material may be challenged and removed!
 * 2. On article George Kastrioti Skanderbeg I noticed that the source claims Skanderbeg always signed himself as “Lord of Albania” and claimed no other titles but that in official documents. So it's Lord of Albania not Albanian lord as incorrectly stated in the first paragraph --109.242.115.155 (talk) 00:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Skanderbeg always signed himself as “Lord of Albania” and claimed no other titles but that in official documents.
 * I think that you are right that the mentioned does not support the assertion that Skanderbeg was the lord of Albanian nation. Still, it would be equally wrong to assert that Skanderbeg was the "Lord of Albania". Here is why:
 * It is incorrect that Skanderbeg always signed himself as “Lord of Albania”. There are many documents signed by Skanderbeg which don't mention "Lord of Albania" title.
 * Even if we suppose that it is true that Skanderbeg always used that title when signing himself, that doesn't mean that he really was the Lord of Albania. Southern and central part of Albania were under the Ottoman control since 1417-1419 (Vlore, Gjirokaster...) while the biggest coastal cities (Shkoder and Durres) and their surrounding were under the Venetian control. Rest of the territory were mouintains scarcely populated by many different tribes whose chieftains were oftern opposed to each other and even frequently fighting against each other. Therefore it is obviously absurd to claim that Skanderbeg was a lord of Albania even if he always signed himself like one (which he didn't).
 * You are right that, based on the mentioned source, it is wrong to define Skanderbeg as the leader of ethnic Albanians. Skanderbeg's rebellion was not fostered by language or any feeling of belonging to an ethnic group. Also, besides local Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs and Vlachs a significant part of his forces were Venetian or Napolitan forces together with mercenaries of different nationalities.
 * Based on the above rationale I think that assertion about Skanderbeg being either Lord of Albania or Lord of Albanians should be avoided.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Sebil (drinking water facility)
I do not understand. merge the article with what ? . פארוק (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * my English is not so good. please tell me what do you mean ? . פארוק (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's not at all similar.

in Israel it intended also to camels / beasts of burden who passed by the way. פארוק (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * now i'm checking the hebrew articale and saw it is the same like the Sebilj . פארוק (talk) 18:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Ottoman categories
All right, I will move all categories. PANONIAN 11:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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Spani
Please don't make POV assertions that have been already dealt with in a much more complete manner in much more reliable sources and please stop with the copy/pasted parts. If you want to add something write it properly, so that it doesn't mess up the sections and confuse even more the readers. Adding something about Alfonso right after the list of members like a completely foreign element in the article, causes only confusion.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 22:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Peter Spani - Pjetër Spani are redirects or dab pages, so pjease don't write articles on them. I've moved the League of Lezhër Peter Spani to a more appropriate title. Btw please don't try to add the same OR assertions that have been refuted. I've used an English-language/modern work from a Greek author, who has translated the Byzantine documents and the source misinterpretation you've been involved in is very easy to replicate. For example the Novo Brdo leader Peter Spani had no relation to this branch of the Spani family and claimed no imperial ancestors. If someone used the same extrapolations then Alessio Span should have the same traits, but he didn't.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 09:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Humoj family
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Translation request
Sure, I'll get it done this weekend :-) Beth Holmes 1 (talk) 21:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's the best I can do. It looks as if it starts and ends in the middle of a sentence though.  There are a few numbers in the text which I assume refer to footnotes so I've put those in square brackets to make it less confusing.


 * ...Skanderbeg at the time of his rebellion (Skanderbeg had entrusted the defense of Kruje to Uran while it was besieged by Murad II in 1450. Skanderbeg himself chose to fight outside its walls) [3].  As our registers contain a mention of "Urana", and because he is the father of the scribe called Zaganos, we can surmise that he must be fairly old.  We know that the Count Uran died in 1458.  In a note in the same document we learn that in May 1438 [5], Skanderberg's nine villages in the high mountains of the vildyet belonging to Dhimitër Jonima (Dimitri Gônima, Gionima) had been awarded to  André Karlo instead. Presumably this corresponded to Skanderbeg being called away from this post. These nine villages, according to the register in question, were located in the land of John (Yuvan-ili), that is to say they were part of John Kastrioti's property.  John Kastrioti was Skanderbeg's father.  Despite pressure from Mehmed I, Jean was allowed to keep his position under the protectorate of Venice for some time.  However in the early years of Murad II's reign he was compelled to enter into Ottoman vassalage. The note, dated 1438, leaves no doubt that it is around this date that the land had been surveyed and registered. As the nine villages were listed on the Register of Yuvan-ili (John Kastrioti), they were definitely part of Skanderbeg's father's land. The granting of these villages to André Karlo must have upset Skanderbeg. Although the Ottoman state regarded these as areas of state land as Skanderbeg's Timar holding, these were in fact the fiefs of his father. Kastrioti Jean died in 1443 .. As Chalcocondyles tells us, "Weary after Hunyadi forced the Ottomans to retreat in the Balkans in 1443, the old lords hurried on all sides to regain possession of their fathers' fields". Skanderbeg abandoned the Sultan's army and came to grab Kruje.  In his capacity as Lord of Kastrioti, he took possession of all his father's lands that had been granted to others.  In the summer of 1444, Skanderbeg (along with the other remaining lords) was convinced that the Ottomans would be completely expelled from the Balkans.  However, these hopes paled with the defeat of the Crusaders at the Battle of Varna.  After dealing briefly with the link between Kruje and Skanderbeg's insurgency, we can return to notes contained in the Ottoman records concerning Kruje. In the register from the year 1432 [17], we find the following note: "Akçahisar (Kruje) is a stone castle, guarded by the following: according to documents issued by the late Sultan (Mehmed I) and the sultan of our time..."


 * Beth Holmes 1 (talk) 13:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, feel free to contact me again about it. It was interesting. Beth Holmes 1 (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Skanderbeg
I added the source about the kastro - castrum connection, but while doing that I noticed that you had cropped the quote from the Suflay source you had used. While you added that the quote was Kastriot, die einen griechischen Namen führten, „Stadtbürger", kastriotis von kastron., the full quote which didn't end in kastron. was Kastriot, die einen griechischen Namen führten, „Stadtbürger", kastriotis von kastron, Stadt (aus lat. castrum ; polis war nur Konstantinopel allein).-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 10:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Anti, regarding my opinion on Branilo and Castrioti, see my talk page.

Strez
Hi, Antidiskriminator, glad to hear from you! Bozhilov's text (cited in the article) is pretty detailed, but I'm very sure it does not say anything about any possible relations to 15th-century Albanian nobility. There is no information in historical sources about Strez's direct descendants to begin with... Best,  — Toдor Boжinov — 20:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the barnstar, my friend! I truly appreciate it and I am very glad to have one for Serbia in addition to Albania now. Keep up the good work yourself and best wishes!  — Toдor Boжinov — 18:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Translation request Strez
Here you go (with comments in brackets and long sentence split in parts for clarity):

There is confusion regarding the Strez. Hopf makes [declares?] Ivo and Gojko BalSid to be the sons of Stefan Strez. Stefan Strez would have been married to Vlajka Kastriota. Stefan Strez would have been the son of Gjuragj Balšić. Gjuragj Balšić was a bastard of Gjuragj I. Maria with her two brothers (who died in Hungary) would have been children of this Gojko! (cf. genealogy of the Balšići)

Does this make sense? I am lacking a bit of context, so not sure who Hopf is. The sentences using "would have" could be either: A) implications following from the "fact" that Ivo und Gojko BalSid are sons of Stefan Strez (or following from some other info not mentioned in the text) or B) presumptions by Hopf. Can't say from this fragment. bamse (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hamza Kastrioti
You did take part in those discussions about the Branilo mistranslation, so did you maybe forget the details about the sources (I'm assuming good faith but at the same time I have to remind you about ARBMAC).-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 18:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Albanian editors
Hello. Are there any good faith Albanian editors??? I've just now realised that neither User:Sulmues nor User:Kedadi are active at the moment. I've boldly moved League of Peja TWICE. The only resistence lately comes from IPs attempting to rewrite history by changing country of birth on subjects' infoboxes. You didn't get that from the two I mentioned but it seems there is no one now that I can have this conversation with on the move. What do you think of it now? Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 15:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Good point too. Mind you, it is all a bit weak though isn't it? I mean - you get more results of League of Peja per se but what is 36???!! It begs for deletion if the truth be told! Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:14, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 March newsletter
We are over half way through the second round of this year's WikiCup and things are going well! , of Pool B, is our highest overall scorer thanks to his prolific writings on television and film. In second place is Pool H's, thanks primarily to work on biological articles, especially in marine biology and herpetology. Third place goes to Pool E's, who also writes primarily on biology (including ornithology and botany) and has already submitted two featured articles this round. Of the 63 contestants remaining, 15 (just under a quarter) have over 100 points this round. However, 25 are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly. 32 contestants, the top two from each pool and the 16 next-highest scorers, will advance to round 3.

Congratulations to, whose impressive File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg became the competition's first featured picture. Also, congratulations to, who claimed good topic points, our first contestant this year to do so, for his work on Featured topics/1982 Atlantic hurricane season. This leaves featured topics and featured portals as the only sources of points not yet utilised. However, as recent statistics from show, no source has yet been utilised this competition to the same extent it has been previously!

It has been observed that the backlogs at good article candidates are building up again. While the points for good article reviews will be remaining constant, any help that can be offered keeping the backlog down would be appreciated. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 23:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Albanian nobility
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DYK for Nicholas Dukagjini
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 07:48, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Martin Segon
The DYK project (nominate) 09:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Albanian nobility
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Siskovic
Please don't confuse again actual family names with very rare clan labels (source added), not to mention that the name you added isn't used by any source. -- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 01:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The Šišković kin family (Шишковићи) did exist. It included both Serbs and Albanians. Hasan Berisha, according to several sources, was part of this family. The Albanian Šišković perhaps entered the Berisha-fis?--Z oupan 10:35, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Spani (League of Lezhë)
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the Barnstar!
Hallo Antidiskriminator,

thanks a lot for the Barnstar, I really appreciated it! Moreover, as Ottoman and because of your Name :-) I have a question for you: in the article about Istanbul there is people who keep changing the name of the city (in an historical context after 1453) to Constantinople. I always understood that at Wikipedia we follow the naming convention: t > 1453 => Istanbul, otherwise Constantinople, which is basically the same (with some exceptions) followed by the literature about the city in the last thirty years. There has been a discussion about this decision in the past? If yes, we could point to it when these user keep changing this (and others) articles. Thanks again, Alex2006 (talk) 11:01, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Moreover, the name Istanbul has always been used, not only by the Turks. Bye, and thanks again. Alex2006 (talk) 13:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Arianiti family, Vrana Konti
See Knjiga o Kosovu: razgovori o Kosovu by Dimitrije Bogdanović, Radovan Samardžić: "Унука Стефана Првовенчаног, од кћери Комнине а жене Димитрија Прогона, била је удата за албанског кнеза Голема, од којега вероватно потиче породица Аријанита Комнина" for possible origin of Arianiti family through Golem of Kruja; Komnena Nemanjić.--Z oupan 16:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have any data on Vrana Konti? He is also given the surname "Altisferi", the same which is given to Leke Zaharia (see these excerpts).--Z oupan 15:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Z oupan 17:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks my friend! But it could've gone 1,500 more jebote. Good job on revealing the story of the Kastrioti btw!--Z oupan 16:42, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Sanjak of Niš
Dear editor: please attempt to depict historical events not from Serbian point of view only. How do you know who "annexed" and who "retained" territory? Based on a Serb scholar?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaloianm (talk • contribs) 14:51, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that it is not appropriate to refer to the territory of the Sanjak of Niš as annexed or retained depending if it was captured by Serbia or Bulgaria. In this case it was wrong to stick to the source. I changed to annexed in both cases.
 * You should not change the quote in the referenced source to match your interpretation of the event (annexed/retained issue). Please don't do it anymore.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:11, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Pal Dukagjini
Hello! Your submission of Pal Dukagjini at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Empathictrust (talk) 22:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I reviewed the article and made some research on my own as well. There seem to be some misunderstanding on this figure, probably there could be two of them with the same name living on the same period of time. Anyway I am writing more on detail on the talk section so we can figure out how to solve this problem and make ready the article for DYK. I'm not moving or adding anything up to we find some sort of solution, anyway I think the table of the members of the League of Lezhë occupies too much place and reveals nothing new on the figure of Pal Dukagjini. It is better off as it's enough mentioning he was part of that coalition. Follow the discussion on the talk page. Regards, Empathictrust (talk) 22:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 April newsletter
Round 2 of this year's WikiCup is over, and so we are down to our final 32, in what could be called our quarter-finals. The two highest scorers from each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers overall, have entered round 3, while 30 participants have been eliminated. Pool B's remains our top scorer with over 700 points; he continues to gain high numbers of points for his good articles on The X-Files, but also Millennium and other subjects. He has also gained points for a good topic, a featured list, multiple good article reviews and several did you knows. Pool E's was second, thanks primarily to his biology articles, with Pool H's  coming in third, with an impressive 46 did you knows, mostly on the subject of baseball. Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both scored over 600 points. Pools E and H proved our most successful, with each seeing 5 members qualify for round 3, while Pools C and D were the least, with each seeing only 3 reach round 3. However, it was Pool G which saw the lowest scoring, with a little under 400 points combined; Pool H, the highest scoring group, saw over triple that score.

65 points was the lowest qualifying score for round 3; significantly higher than the 11 required to enter round 2, and also higher than the 41 required to reach round 3 last year. However, in 2010, 100 points were needed to secure a place in round 3. 16 will progress to round 4. In round 3, 150 points was the 16th highest score, though, statistically, people tend to up their game a little in later rounds. Last year, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 points were needed. Guessing how many points will be required is not easy. We still have not seen any featured portals or topics this year, but, on the subject of less common content types, a small correction needs to be made to the previous newsletter: File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg, our first featured picture, was the work of both and, the latter of whom has also gone on to score with File:Map of the Battle of Guam, 1944.svg. Bonus points also continue to roll in; this round, earned triple points for her good articles on William the Conqueror and the Middle Ages, Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both earned triple points for their work on Western Jackdaw, now a good article,  earned triple points for her work on lettuce and work by  to ready antimony for good article status earned him triple points. managed to expand Vitus Bering far enough for a did you know, which was also worth triple points. All of these highly important topics featured on 50 or more Wikipedias at the start of the year.

An article on the WikiCup in the Wikimedia Blog, "Improving Wikipedia with friendly competition", was posted at the end of April. This may be of interest to those who are signed up to this newsletter, as well as serving as another way to draw attention to our project. Also, we would again like to thank and, for continued help behind the scenes. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 23:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Ethnicity of Montenegrin dynasties
Please stop reverting ethnicity of various Montenegrin dynasties when you have no single proof for your claims.By the way,Balsics were Roman Catholic,how many Catholic Serb do you know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montenegro in my heart (talk • contribs) 23:44, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXIII, April 2012
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May 2012
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For a short Dukagjini "stand-by"
Empathictrust (talk) 09:57, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pal Dukagjini
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: What a coincidence
Well, I couldn't help but notice the article. It's got some potential for expansion, I'll see what I can come up with on the Bulgarian side of the story. It should be a similar storyline, but I'll have to do some research. Keep up the good work!  — Toдor Boжinov — 13:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like the scientific transliteration system (Ш = Š) because it provides an unambiguous way to transliterate Ъ (= Ă), but in Wikipedia we use the system that is currently official (Ш = Sh, Ж = Zh...)  — Toдor Boжinov — 14:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXIV, May 2012
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Antidiskriminator, you are invited!
We might need some antidiscrimination ;)

Hi
Hello, I get the impression this is just one more account being held in reserve for an editor who wishes to promote Albanian-POV sentiment. Active since 2009 with very few edits and popping up occasionally to make disruptive contributions. You get the same impression? Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 11:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Attribution
Please refrain from taking part in edit wars as you've already been warned once this month. That being said why did you claim that the view was carefully attributed although you removed the attribution?-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 07:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

UB Template
Hi, just to let you know - if you are a student or graduate of the University of Belgrade you can use this template on your user page:

Pozdrav --Comparativist1 (talk) 20:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Musa Kesedžija
Hello! Your submission of Musa Kesedžija at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Secretlondon (talk) 02:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Gjergj Fishta
I would like to remove the sovietr histography section of this article. The source is biased and not neutral point of view, saying Gjergj reflects "the role played by the Catholic clergy in preparing for Italian aggression against Albania" that he is "a former agent of Austro-Hungarian imperialism" that he "took a position against the Slavic peoples who opposed the rapacious plans of Austro-Hungarian imperialism in Albania" and that "this spy extolled the hostility of the Albanians towards the Slavic peoples, calling for an open fight against the Slavs." --Goalisraised (talk) 08:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

London Conference
I cant understand why the lead of London Conference should explicitly contain the Albanian pov [], since the event concerned all the Balkan countries. This information is ok to stay on the relevant section but the specific lead isn't appopriate for an article such as this (would be ok if it was Indepedent Albania).Alexikoua (talk) 15:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, there were previous sneaky edits in order to present the event only from one perspective, from the lead.Alexikoua (talk) 18:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Greetings guys. Alexikoua, please use the talk page of the article if you have any concerns with my edits. I'm not sure what you mean with "sneaky" edits. The article is too small to worry about the lede, usually I work on ledes when the article is 10k+, so I'm ok with your edit. Sulmuesapombrojtes (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

SR Wikipedia
Mani se srspke wikipedije kad vidiš da samo pojedinci vode svoje politiku. Pozdrav! --178.222.74.212 (talk) 08:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Поздрав. Иако се не слажем са твојим уређивањем чланака на ср вики, сматрам да си овај пут неправедно блокиран да би те ућуткали. Мислим да имаш сасвим довољно материјала да се жалиш на Мети. Ако се будеш одлучио на тај корак, јави ми и ја ћу те подржати колико могу. --Мирослав Ћика (talk) 14:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 May newsletter
We're halfway through round 3 (or the quarter finals, if you prefer) and things are running smoothly. We're seeing very high scoring; as of the time of writing, the top 16 all have over 90 points. This has already proved to be more competative than this time last year- in 2011, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 was the lowest qualifying score. People have also upped their game slightly from last round, which is to be expected as we approach the end of the competition. Leading Pool A is, whose points have mostly come from a large number of did you knows on marine biology. Pool B's leader,, is for the first time not our highest scorer at the time of newsletter publication, but his good articles on The X-Files and Millenium keep him in second place overall. leads Pool C, our quietest pool, with content in a variety of areas on a variety of topics. Pool D is led by, our current overall leader. Nearly half of Casliber's points come from his triple-scored Western Jackdaw, which is now a featured article.

This round has seen an unusually high number of featured lists, with nearly one in five remaining participants claiming one, and one user,, claiming two. Miyagawa's featured list, 1936 Summer Olympics medal table, was even awarded double points. By comparison, good article reviews seem to be playing a smaller part, and featured topics portals remain two content-types still unutilised in this competition. Other than that, there isn't much to say! Things are coming along smoothly. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi
Hello. Do you believe we really need LGBT people from Serbia as category? Asking you just out of interest. Another user suspected Marija Šerifović and created that page. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My sentiments exactly. I suppose if we wished to remain accepted here on this site, we'd have to appreciate everyone's decision to be as he chooses. We both know however that the peoples of the former Yugoslavia (with Croats, Serbs and Montenegrins ranking top) are most homophobic people in Europe if not the world; they're on the other end of the scale from Netherlands and Scandinavia. I'm not boasting this but in the end of the day, if Marija seriously gave interviews to foreign media then it would not have stood for long before it became public knowledge in the home republics and subsequently attitudes would change. I am amazed how Azis is popular in Bulgaria as their population is little different. And the Bulgarian chalga is largely the music of the working class male, hence the reason the scene is dominated by dolly-bird females. One way or another, a source may be reliable but that doesn't stop it producing false information; and as you say, an individual must first identify a certain way before we take it on board, and if this has happened, we'll have known from Serbian, Croatian, Macedonian or Slovenian press - she's known in all those lands and subsequently they would have promulgated such a distinction. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for George Strez Balšić
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

promoted!
That was quick! Although they didn't use the picture in the end: Template:Did_you_know/Queue/3 Secretlondon (talk) 12:03, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Musa Kesedžija
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)