User talk:Antiouk

Hey, Welcome! :) —  Aitias  // discussion 01:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol! Thanks! And what an eventful signup! :) Cheers for helping again and using your common sense!

Antiouk (talk) 01:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) —  Aitias  // discussion 01:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome, again
Can I put my the giant welcome template on your page? Even the numbers at the top right are wikilinked! Why are you interested in deleting that article? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hahah, thanks, please feel free!! :)

It's not that I have antyhing against these 2 persons in particular ( Manning_Marable or Prof._Dr._Rahimi_Tabar. ), I didn't even know them before this. But I was looking for something completely unrelated (Malcolm X) and came upon an absolutely useless article on wikipedia about an upcoming book of Manning Marable on Malcolm X, which also pointed to his bio page and linked to his website, and thought it was a clear self-promotion, and a waste of time for the reader. I spent some time researching whether the articles followed the policies and I thought it was obvious they didn't (coming from academic background I rely on referencing everything). So I tagged them for speedy deletion. I perceived (and still do) the way RMHED removed the tags somewhat aggressive and that's how I got engaged... It's nothing personal against RMHED or anyone else, but constantly seeing university students referencing personal websites and other unreferenced wikipedia articles in their essays really annoys me... I think people have started losing the sense of notability and verifiability in general and rely on anything Google returns, and hence the interest. I'm not saying that certain things are not important in these cases, but I would like to see reputable sources and something more than "X said Y at the Z newspaper".

Phew!! That's it! Does it make sense? Not sure, but it's 3.30am here! :)

Antiouk (talk) 01:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Manning Marable meets inclusion criteria, in my opinion. He works at a top flight University and has some high profile positions and chairmanships as well as being a writer. I would be shocked if that article was deleted even though it needs better sourcing.


 * I'm going to try to merge the book into his article, where I think it belongs. We'll see what happens! Wikipedia is very "communitarian" which can take some getting used to. People can look through your contributions, watch your talk page, but once you get over the paranoia and adjust to the rules it can be pretty fun. In my experience editing any topic that is of emotional importance can be difficult, particularly controversial topics. But if you have a cool head and patience the "world", so to speak, is your oyster. Click on the copy my user name, click on the "my contribution tab" at the top of your page, then subsitute my name for yours. You can see everything I've worked on and all my edit summaries. :) There are lots of wacky tricks too. If you want to see any Wikipedia policy page, search "wp:" and then the topic, so wp: photos, wp: notability, wp: articles for deletion. If you want to check out the deletion procedures and vote on some, go to wp: AfD. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I apologize if I've overwhelmed you with irrelevant information. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are right, and I can see it now, although as you said it still needs better academic sources in addition to funny websites full of ads (I'm sorry I'm too tired to go through all the new links, but the way some of them are full of ads does not make them look very trustworthy). Anyway, I've decided to call it a day, not report any articles yet and think with a clear head tomorrow. As it is now, I agree with you about the Manning_Marable article, but I'm still not sure about Prof._Dr._Rahimi_Tabar..


 * Also, no worries about overwhelming me, if other people had done what you did it would have probably saved a lot of time for many of us! Thanks again for your tips, thanks for your numerous contributions to wikipedia as well, and have a good day/night! Antiouk (talk) 02:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Welcome to Wikipedia Antiouk! If there is anything you need help with, do not hesitate to ask! Scapler (talk) 01:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome and clarification
Despite the difficult circumstances surrounding your signing up, I want to extend a warm welcome. Kudos to Aitais for encouraging you to sign up. I'm looking forward to working with you. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 13:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)