User talk:Antonio.napoli

Please read Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, which all articles must follow. Wikipedia is a neutral, verifiable encyclopedia; it is not a place to argue a particular point of view. Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I deleted it because it is not a sentence, it is a series of fragments. It's also not sourced, if I recall correctly. TallNapoleon (talk) 02:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably I did not write it well. But this sentence makes sense and it is connected with the next paragraph. I will reformulate better and place there again. Thanks. --antonio.napoli (talk) 08:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

November 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Dean Martin has been reverted, as it appears to introduce incorrect information. Please do not intentionally add incorrect information to articles; use the sandbox for testing. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. — GorillaWarfare talk 00:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hallo,

thanks for your message. I just found his name in the list of famous Italian-Americans. Therefore, if you are correct, the other pages are wrong, or vice versa. For me it is the same, but we need to be consistent, and therefore either you re-do the undo (i.e. acceptance of my changes), or you have to go through all the pages which referer to them as Italian-American and change them. In my opinion, they can be both considered Italian - American. In the end, none, apart the native Indians, is American, better US citizen.
 * You'll find that Encyclopedia Britannica (in the title) refers to him as being American, if you need a source. Furthermore, the Manual of Style (biographies) guideline states:
 * Context (location, nationality, or ethnicity);
 * In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national (according to each nationality law of the countries), or was a citizen when the person became notable.
 * Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.
 * It's possible that the other list is incorrect. Feel free to change it. Thank you. — GorillaWarfare talk 16:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

American vs Italian American in the lead
Ciao Antonio Napoli, you've recently done some changes such as in Frank Sinatra or Martin Scorsese. While your edits were without doubt well meant, and those individuals may be considered ethnic Italian Americans, they all are American nationals. WP:MOSBIO states that an article's lead should only mention a person's citizenship/nationality, not his or her ethnicity. Thus, I had to undo your edits. Best, Catgut (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hallo,

thanks for your message. I just found their names in the list of famous Italian-Americans. Therefore, if you are correct, the other pages are wrong, or vice versa. For me it is the same, but we need to be consistent, and therefore either you re-do the undo (i.e. acceptance of my changes), or you have to go through all the pages which referer to them as Italian-American and change them. In my opinion, they can be both considered Italian - American. In the end, none, apart the native Indians, is American, better US citizen.

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Re:Fermi
ciao Antonio,

"Italian-born" means Italian (like you and me, I suppose): moreover, there has been a lengthy discussion about this issue on the discussion page about considering him Italian, American, Italian-American or so on. As you know, Wikipedia works on consensus of Editors. If you don't agree, you are welcome to open a thread on the discussion page. Please refrain to revert the article again. Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 08:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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Re:Giacconi
Hallo Antonio, That's because you did your edits without logging in, so I wrote to the talk page of your IP-Address. I copied below what I wrote:

The reason for the change is written in the edit comment. Please go to WP:OPENPARA (which is a Wikipedia guideline) and read it. Of course, if you don't understand it, you are welcome to ask me again. Alex2006 (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I forgot to say that thanks to this guideline, we "won" (among others) Fermi, Segrè, Bruno Rossi and - last but not least - Lagrange: on the other side, we "lost" Giacconi and Viterbi. I think that this is a fair deal... :-) Alex2006 (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! OK, but it seems that Giacconi has the Italian citizenship. A person can hold two citizenship, and if you have one, for any reason, you are legally Italian. Giacconi, holding the Italian passport, can vote for example. So I don't understand who makes this kind of decision...We should just write there that he is Italian - American.

Moreover, according to this. I will be soon German only. In fact, I will have soon the German passport, while keeping the Italian one. Condition that entitles me to vote, and only Italian can vote. Therefore I can conclude that I am Italian for the Italian government in the act of voting, while I am German for Wikipedia. Is the power of Wikipedia stronger than the one of the native legislator in defining the nationality?

I read it, and it quite vague. It say that also the citizenship (i.e. nationality) counts. He has italian nationality, all his studies have been made in Italy. He is also Italian. Please be serious on that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OPENPARA#Opening_paragraph


 * No, OPENPARA says that in the opening paragraph it goes the citizenship/nationality held when he/she became notable, Now, Giacconi moved to the U.S. right after his Laurea, so he became notable in the U.S. If he had done his main research in Italy, we would have written Italian. Alex2006 (talk) 13:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Alessandro, quoting from the page you referred to: In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.

I understand that it is also the country where he is a citizen. Being Italian citizen, having the nationality, he is indeed Italian - American. Here there is no doubt. Do you want to discuss on the phone? Otherwise we will never solve this. Because if you are right, I am German, but I am not!! Accorging to Montessori, an adult is formed after 24 years old. Giacconi at 24 years old was still in Italy. He is fully Italian. Later, he got the USA citizenship as well, and now he is Italian - American. But maybe he got the USA citizenship just for convenience...This doesn't not mean he is a complete US people. I will get the German nationality soon, I don't do because I feel German, but for my own convenience. At the end, I will still be Italian. You should ask Giacconi what does he think? does he feel US citizen or Italian, or both?:-))
 * I have no doubt either that he is Italian-american: but I don't think that you still understand how Wikipedia works. There is a guideline (WP:OPENPARA), established through user consensus, and what it says is clear. Since Giacconi emigrated to the U.S. right after his degree, and did all his important research there, in the opening paragraph it should be mentioned only his American nationality, disregarding whether he was homesick, drank Chianti, played Mandolin or other amenities. As long as this guideline remains in this form, it must be applied in this form. This means that in the opening paragraph (NOT in the whole article, of course) there is no place for a double citizenship/nationality: he is described either as Italian or as American. And since he became notable in the U.S., we write "American". If you don't agree about the guideline (that has advantages and disadvantages) you can go to the respective talk page, and discuss there. Until then, you should leave the article as it was before your changes. Alex2006 (talk) 14:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)