User talk:Aown

Fatima Jinnah
Hi Aown, I think you're mistaken: According to the article we use as a source, here, Fatima Jinnah claimed in court that Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a Shia - then she could claim the inheritance. After Fatima's death her sister claimed that Fatima Jinnah was a Shia - then her sister could claim the inheritance. Neither Muhammad Ali nor Fatima Jinna seem to have claimed that they themselves were a Shia, and there seems to be some uncertainty concerning Fatima's denomination. Quoting the source: "It went to the High Court Bench of Chief Justice Abdul Hayee Kureshi. On December 23, 1984, it reversed the earlier judgements and maintained that while the Quaid was definitely not a Shia, the issue of Fatima Jinnah's persuasion was open to inquiry." Under these circumstances we should play it safe and only note in the infobox what sources agree upon. Yours, Huon (talk) 18:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, First of all she was not fighting case for herself to prover she is shia the case was about to prove Muhammad Ali JInnah a shia so why she need to claim in court she is shia? Everyone here in Pakistan Knows that Qaid-E-Azam was Ismaele Shia and Later converted to Twelver Shia and according to your source Fatima Jinnah herself accept that my brother was shia, Fatima Jinnah words are too much to prove this she is not a common women but Mather-E-Millat (Mother of Pakistan). If you are Pakistani then you cannot overlook Fatima Jinnah there is no dispute on it. Court judgment was on property distribution. Have you read any Pakistani Historian book i hope u didnot thats why you are only relying on the source you have added here. There is no dispute on it that Qaid was converted to Twelver Shia from Ismaele and Fatima Jinnah was also shia.

I think we need more mature research on history the sources you added definately not proving they are not shia court judjment is not enough you have to see their life "The marriage certificate states that Jinnah was a Shia." and you must not forget the the justice condition in Pakistan. This is a country where "Mother of Nation" Fatima jinnah failed to win the election which was obviously massive corruption in election and injustice. Then as a historian how can you expect it was a fair decision of court.

In Pakistan there is no way to prove a dead/late persons sect in court like there is no Sect section Identity card and on birth certificate. If one Sunnie person die no one can prove in court that the dead belonged to sunnie sect.


 * I repeat that you seem to misinterpret the source we have. Fatima Jinnah claimed in court that her brother was a Shia - as you say, a question of property distribution. Later, in an unrelated case after Fatima Jinnah's death her sister claimed that Fatima was a Shia - again a question of property distribution. The source we have does not state that Fatima Jinnah ever claimed to be a Shia herself. If you can provide a better source stating that she was a Shia - great, add it to the article. Until then we should stick to what the source we have (which I didn't add) says. Huon (talk) 12:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)