User talk:Apalache-Research

Incorrect information on the Zoque People article
I am not going to bother trying to make a correction, because it will be erased by some anonymous person within a few hours. The article states that the Zoque are the descendants of the Olmeca. Absolutely no one in Mexico thinks this, although it may have been taught to some anthropology student recently in the United States. The Zoque and Olmeca are two entirely different peoples, who both still live in the Gulf Coast Region of Mexico. The Olmecas are Nahuas, who are descended from Chichimecas, who invaded the region around 1000-1150 AD. The Zoque are an ancient people, who speak several dialects of the Zoque-Mixtec Language Family.

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Apalache-Research


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:Apalache-Research requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

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June 2022
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Kenimer Site, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. ''And of course removing sourced text. I can’t recall, maybe I even wrote it. Be very careful about suggesting any court action.'' Doug Weller  talk 20:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Kenimer Site could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content, not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. Yuchitown (talk) 03:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown


 * There was no substance to the two paragraphs labeled controversy. The references cited consisted of claimed quotes of personal opinions from anonymous comments on a website that no longer exists, quotes from Facebook, undocumented hearsay, opinions stated on personal blogs with no professional credentials and misquotes of published documents for which I was the author.  Under federal and state laws those are more than adequate grounds for professional liable suit by a licensed Architect.  In fact, it probably would not even have to go a jury.  Since the information was published in a public document with international access, the judge would issue a bench judgment and assign financial damages to the offending party. Apalache-Research (talk) 11:19, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

New account
Hi, Apalache-Research. Was there any special reason why you stopped using the account and created this account, Apalache-Research? Did you lose your password to the previous account? Bishonen &#124; tålk 10:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC).

Conflict of interest
Hello, Apalache-Research. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Kenimer Site, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Your edit to Kenimer Site strongly suggests that you have a conflict of interest in relation to the subject of Richard Thornton. Your userpage (now deleted, but as an administrator, I can still read the text you put there) suggests that the relation is a close one. Please respond below. Bishonen &#124; tålk 10:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC).


 * If you are an administrator, please read what I have to say. Wikipedia deleted my webpage without me being able to object.  I am not just "anybody".  I am a Creek Indian Architect-Planner, with 50 years of experience,  who was chosen by the State of Oklahoma to design the Trail of Tears Memorial. Of all the Native American architects in the nation, they came to me.  I live in the State of Georgia and didn't know anything about the project until then.  In 2014, the National Trust for Historic Preservation named me one of the top 40 architectural history researchers in the United States. I have published 16 books on architectural and Native American history.  The original copy of the Migration Legend was lost for 285 years.  I found it at Lambeth Palace with the help of HRH Prince Charles.
 * The two paragraphs in the Kenimer Mound article on "Controversy" that I challenged and partially deleted consisted of personal attacks on me and had no substance. The anonymous author first misquoted an article that I wrote while National Architecture columnist for the Examiner, using as its source a personal BLOG by someone else. It then included statements which used as cited sources, (1) a comments made on a Facebook page (2) a supposed statement made in a newspaper article, which in fact was not in that article (3) twice included statements in published articles, which I did not make, and finally. used as a cited source, statements supposedly made by a man from South Africa on a telephone call.
 * So Doug Weller is upholding these sorts of sources, yet deleted my Apalache-Research webpage overnight, without me being even able to challenge it? The webpage consisted of summary of my professional resume.
 * For years, white occultists have been putting false Native American history in Wikipedia articles, associated with the State of Georgia. Doug Weller has been protecting them. I understand that he lives in rural England. I live two miles from the Kenimer Mound and our non-profit research corporation is currently studying the Kenimer Mound.
 * One of the things that we Creek Indians have been objecting to occurred in 2012. Someone went through Wikipedia and deleted all references to the Creek Indians and archeological sites associated with us in 50 counties in the northern part of the State of Georgia. I had no role in the writing of any of these articles.  I contacted the Bartow County Chamber of Commerce, who wrote their "County history" article and obtained a copy of the three paragraphs that had been anonymously deleted then re-inserted them, using the original author as the source.  Within an hour,  Weller deleted the re-insertion, which had been a part of the article for many years.  He then sent me a message saying that I would be banned from Wikipedia permanently, if I altered another article.   Several other people have tried to correct the article, because Etowah Mounds is Bartow County's most important tourist attraction.  Each time Weller instantly deletes the change.
 * I started The Americas Revealed website several years ago so people would be able to get accurate Native American history, that was unavailable in Wikipedia. I contribute regularly to Wikipedia, but certainly won't after having my new webpage deleted without me even being able to object. Apalache-Research (talk) 12:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Clearly, your above response amounts to telling us your real-life identity, and acknowledging that the person you have been editing about is yourself. I didn't ask you to do that, but I appreciate it. Thank you. About your webpage being deleted — are you referring to your userpage, User: Apalache-Research? It was deleted by User:Fastily, as you can see if you click on the link to the page. You can also see the reason given for deletion: Misuse of Wikipedia as a webhost. Click on that link to read more about it. Userpages are not for posting your résumé or any other substantial content that is unrelated to Wikipedia. Your userpage is not a personal website, see WP:UPNOT. It's only supposed to be used for information about you as a Wikipedian. In other words, Fastily deleted it according to our rules.


 * Concerning your edit to Kenimer Site; you removed some text (which was properly sourced to a peer-reviewed journal) from the article, but principally, you added a lot of text, which was heavily and subjectively promotional of yourself and had no proper sources. You can't do that. Wikipedia is not for promotion, and definitely not for self-promotion. If you do something like that again, I'm afraid you will be blocked. Bishonen &#124; tålk 14:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC).
 * Johannes Loubser was an "intelligence asset" for the National Security Agency (NSA) in South Africa. When the Apartheid regime fell, he had a price on his head so the NSA resettled him in Atlanta, GA, where he continued to work for the NSA.  He was given the job at Track Rock as "make work" - his handlers thinking that no one would read it.  I fact-checked his report and discovered that his interpretation of the petroglyphs was lifted entirely from a book published by the Rev. George White in 1855 - Historical Collections of Georgia.  That article was itself a letter written by a tourist from Virginia in 1832, stating his uneducated speculations about the petroglyphs.  In fact, Loubser didn't have a clue what he was looking at and used an academician, living 1200 miles away to review his report. The reviewer knew nothing about the petroglyphs either.  I recognized the symbols as being similar to what I had seen in Sweden, while I working in Landskrona.  Indeed, I later determined that every symbol can be found on the boulders near Nyköping, Sweden on the Baltic coast.  This would explain why as I Creek, I carry lots of Finnish and Sami DNA, but have no known white ancestors from that part of Europe. Apalache-Research (talk) 20:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Lies, damn lies, and legal threats
My only edit to Bartow County, Georgia was in 2020 reverting some vandalism. What in the world are you talking about? I gave you a standard minor warning at User talk:Talamachusee for adding unsourced material which User:Heironymous Rowe removed, not me. I never edited Etowah Indian Mounds You've been lying about me for years, I don't understand why as the evidence is not in your favor. You lies were exposed here. I put a COI notice on your other account and you ignored it. And of course legal threats aren't new to you. User talk:Talamachusee. I don't think you are going to convinced User:Fastily that their deletion was wrong. Your blatant self-publicity needs to stop. And why can't I find evidence that you found an old copy of the migration story with the help of Prince Charles? Donald Yates is as bad a source as you can get, that doesn't count. Finally, I have no idea about the version with Facebook, etc - show me the link. Doug Weller talk 14:10, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, we don't use Facebook as a source, the venerable The Atlanta Journal-Constitution quoted something Professor Mark Williams wrote on his Facebook page in response to you misusing his research, which is not the same thing. Doug Weller  talk 14:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This was in 2012. Do you live in England and at least formerly used the title of Wikipedia Purple Gate Keeper?
 * https://accessgenealogy.com/native/thorntons-translation-of-the-migration-legend-of-the-creek-people.htm
 * The only reason that I included an abbreviated version of my bio on the main page was to make it clear to you invisible people out there in the E-clous that Wikipedia to allow academicians, with insufficient educational backgrounds, to put incomplete or false information about our cultural heritage into the articles and then not allowing the descendants of the people, who built these structures, to provide our knowledge of the subject. That is the only reason.  The archaeologists in Georgia have a very narrow technical education and are not nearly as knowledgeable about cultural history as their counterparts in Europe, Latin America and the US Government.
 * In regard to the Kenimer Mound, that was our capitol building until a smallpox plague - the Kingdom of Apalache. I live two miles from it and pass it numerous times a week to get to town.  In 2008, the Muskogee-Creek Nation was not satisfied with Mark Williams report, because it left out cultural history and discoveries made in the vicinity by archaeologist Robert Wauchope.  The MCN hired me to do a more thorough study of the structures and produce a computer model of the archaeological zone. In 2013, Marilyn Rae, a Native American colleague, found a book written in French in 1658, which provided ten chapters of eye witness accounts.  Marilyn and I co-wrote a book, which is an annotated English translation of those chapters.  Currently, the Apalache Research Foundation in conjunction with the Georgia Mountain Regional Commission is obtaining Lidar scans and infrared imagery of the entire city, which was seven miles long. I certainly don't mind, but allow that crap at the bottom to be included as if it is factual was the last straw. Apalache-Research (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There’s no such title. I’m an Administrator, Checkuser, and Oversighter. I’m still hoping for evidence that Charles helped you. Doug Weller  talk 20:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And are Yates comments about you here correct? By the way, my user page has answers to some of your questions. Doug Weller  talk 20:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Then I apologize. I was told that you were the "Purple Gatekeeper" from England who for ten years had been axing all corrections requested by Creek Indian scholars. All of his correspondence to me only used the title, Purple Gatekeeper, not his real name.
 * I sent you the URL to the Access Genealogy article which contains photos of the original documents and my transliteration. They wrote "translation" but it was in 18th century English so I merely magnified the writing large enough to transliterate.  Here it is again.
 * https://accessgenealogy.com/topics/migration-legends Apalache-Research (talk) 20:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * In regards to Yates. That article is about the Cherokees - they are an entirely different people and Don Yates has never analyzed our family's DNA.  In fact, the Cherokees were considered to be savages by the Creeks and were our arch-enemies. Dr. Ray Burden of the University of Tennessee is doing our family's DNA study.  We are trying to figure out why we have so much Sami and Finnish DNA . . . and it is very old DNA. Also, in addition to the South Mexican Indian DNA, I have some Polynesian.  We can't figure that out either.  Interestingly enough, the soulmate of my life (apparently) lives in NE France, but her grandmother was an Indian from southern Mexico.  Vivi carries exactly the same Native American DNA that I do. Apalache-Research (talk) 20:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted but I don’t understand what you mean about correspondence. With? In any case I certainly didn’t do those edits. I doubt I’ve ever edited anything related to Creek scholars. Doug Weller  talk 20:56, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Saw that, interesting but I don’t see the connection with Prince Charles. Maybe it’s true but I can’t find evidence. I guess I could write to the chap you say worked for him. Doug Weller  talk 20:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Prince Charles saw me on television - America Unearthed's premier - when it was broadcast in the UK. I received a small "standard" unsigned congratulations card, complementing my amazing archaeological discovery in the Georgia Mountains. It was obviously printed and mailed by  the British consulate in Atlanta.  I thought it was from a man named Clarence House.  There was a royal coat of arms at the top, so I figured that he was a distant cousin of the Windsors.  That was preceded by a the statement "Please feel free to contact us, if you need our assistance in your research."   They probably didn't mean it, but a few weeks later I started googling the man's name, then realized OMG this is from HRH Prince Charles.  I wrote him a letter that started with the suggestion that if he ever got tired of the royal business, he should be an architect or land development planner.  His planned communities were outstanding.  They are!   I then explained the story of the Creek Migration Legend - how I was being poopooed by the Georgia archaeologist about the Mayas in Georgia thang.  The Creek Migration legend starts in southern Mexico and ends up on the Chattahoochee River near where I live. It includes descriptions of specific geological features in Mexico as they migrated northward.
 * About 6-7 weeks later, I received an email from his Asst. Private Secretary Dr. Grahame Davies. He said that Prince Charles had a good laugh and thoroughly enjoyed reading my funny, conversational letter. The prince gets tired of endless piles of awkward English that reads like they were produced by a robot.  About 4-5 months later, Dr. Davies contacted me again about five months later and said that the missing wooden crate was somewhere in the Lambeth Palace Library Archive Room, but he did not have time to look for it.  The library was being renovated so I had to wait until March 2015 to look for it.  The Migration Legend were in the original shipping crate from July 6, 1735 - which also contained many other priceless documents, written by Georgia's Colonial Secretary,  Thomas Christie.  They described the founding of Savannah in 1733, but others were interviews with various tribal leaders and priests from around what is now the State of Georgia. I could not afford the archival photography, so Prince Charles picked up the tab, if I promised to sell copies of the migration legend.  I kept my word. Apalache-Research (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * When I sent the Purple Gatekeeper proof that I was merely replacing paragraphs that were inappropriately removed, he sent me several nasty emails. Communications with gatekeepers back then was with regular email. Apalache-Research (talk) 00:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I have to say that certainly sounds like Prince Charles. I wonder who that “gatekeeper” was. It’s not a common term on Wikipedia. Anyway, it certainly wasn’t me. Doug Weller  talk 06:09, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you have any particular articles you can show me where he deleted stuff, I might be able to figure out who it is. Doug Weller  talk 16:29, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Looks like others saw the migration document before you did.
Doug Weller talk 16:40, 9 June 2022 (UTC)