User talk:Apassy

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 * Just wanted to thank you for doing all those redirects to Flight controller. I should have already done that, but didn't. Thanks again. Joema 02:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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Nakba denial
You are editing [Hamas. You motivated a deletion thus "the More i thought about it - this is no controversy. The Israelis want to eliminate the teaching, in their own country, of their founding as a "catastrophe?")"

This is about what the Likud charter wants, not what "the israelis" want.

The source goes beyond being unhappy with calling the founding of Israel a catastrophe. Netanyahu calls Nakba "false propaganda". Further Nakba does not say the founding of Israel was a catastrophe, it only talks of one particlar aspect during the founding process as a catastrophe, namely the ethnic cleansing of the territory of a large part if its arabic population.

Likud wants to change the teaching, it seems safe to assume this is controversial, do I really need to find a quote to prove that? Furthermore, it was you who changed the headline to read "controversy". The previous line said "denial". Try this thought: what if Germany stopped teaching the Holocaust, calling it false propaganda. What headline would you put on that? Denial? Controversy? "Germany deciding what to teach in their own country".

Note that both Holocaust deniers and Nakba deniers theoretically could be right in their denial. This would not invalidate the sense of using "holocaust denial" or "Nakba deial as headlines" because they would still be valid concepts.Morgan Jinjang (talk) 20:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I was editing Likud, certainly not Hamas. And yes, you do need evidence. Just because the Palestinians call the establishment of the State of Israel a "catastrophe," to say that it shouldn't be taught as such is not "denial." Both sides agree on the facts - the just disagree on the meaning. To call Netanyahu's position "Nakba Denial" is just false on it's face. He certainly agrees that the State of Israel came into being in 1948, as do those who call it "Nakba". BTW, you cannot equate Holocaust denial with objecting to Israeli schools teaching their nation's own creation as a catastrophe. The first seeks to deny overwhelming evidence of horrors, the second seeks to change the characterization of agreed-upon facts. They are in no way equivalent. --Marc (talk) 05:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)