User talk:Apcbg

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New articles
Thank you for creating new articles, but it would be very helpful if you would edit them into Wikipedia article form; see the links above for guidance. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Combining articles
I notice that many of your articles are geographical in nature and seem to be related. Could you combine these articles into one, rather than having several articles that are not tied together in any way? Thanks! --Bugturd 00:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, perhaps you could make one large article with all of these places inside them, rather than dozens of articles. Rory096 03:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyright
Please don't copy directly from copyrighted sources, like http://apc.mfa.government.bg/peaks/elena.htm, these contributions will have to be deleted. Kappa 00:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

--- Yes I can confirm the permission to freely use this material published by the website of the Antarctic Place-names Commission of Bulgaria, http://apc.mfa.government.bg/ and also in the SCAR Composite Gazetteer of Antarctica website http://www.pnra.it/SCAR_GAZE.

Dr. Lyubomir Ivanov Chairman Antarctic Place-names Commission of Bulgaria apcbg@yahoo.com


 * Wonderful. It would be helpful if you can confirm this, either by putting a message on the website somewhere or by sending an email to permissions (at) wikimedia.org.  Thanks, AJR | Talk 02:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Message to permissions (at) wikimedia.org sent. Apcbg.

Formatting Nesebar Gap and others
Hi there! It's great to see that Wikipedia has permission to include this content into the encyclopedia. However, they are currently not very formatted - for example, see Guide to layout. If you don't want to do the formatting just yet, or you would like someone to help you with it, please add the tag to the end of the page, to mark it down as needing formatting. Thanks. enochlau (talk) 10:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Apcbg.
 * Something helpful would be to write an introductory sentence saying Nesebar Gap is a such-and-such geographical feature found in such-and-such a place. As the article stands, I'm not quite sure what it is...  NickelShoe 19:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

You are quite right I guess. The present first sentence reading "The 1.3 km wide gap in eastern Livingston Island bounded to the W by Pliska Ridge and to the E by the northern slope of Mount Friesland, Tangra Mountains" is communicating precisely what you ask for: the feature is a gap (i.e. "depression in a range of mountains or hills"), and is situated on Livingston Island. Its clumsy phrasing however could be streamlined; judging from the first articles in this series formatted by Kcordina I expect that in this case he/she may improve the text by probably splitting the sentence in two, adding 'Antarctica' after 'Livingston Island' etc.

Map sources
Here we are, all offering you helpful suggestions. Mine is: it does not need much extra keying to turn a naked lat and long into a link to Egil's map sources page - see Razlog Cove. Not only do you get map links straight away but within a few days, the articles will be indexed by Pintomap. -- RHaworth 12:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Peaks
Hello Apcbg. I see that you are making a lot of contributions regarding some geological peaks, which is very interesting, and apparently missing here at wikipedia. But, I just wanted to leave you a suggestion that will make you stay here at wikipedia much more enjoyable. Copying information from other sites verbatim tips off the myriad of editors and admins here that a copyright violation has occurred. So, despite the fact that you have mentioned that you are permitted to copy it - it will probably keep getting tagged until you do one of (and preferably a combination) of the following things: (1) make some kind of notation of this in the talk pages of the various new pages you're creating (along with proof that this is true). You can put the same thing on every talk page - that's fine. Also (2) Reword the information. Wikipedia favors prose over lists and bullets, and so it is important that you turn these into readable articles. Not only would this eliminate the copyright issue, but would avoid the articles getting tagged for other reasons (like needing cleanup or needing to be wikified). Perhaps you can illicit a buddy to help you with the project, as there may be someone here at wikipedia who shares your interest. I would recommend visiting articles on related topics and seeing who else is working on similar articles. Regardless, I hope these suggestions will minimize your copyright issues and leave you more time to do what you want to do, which is spread knowledge about these beautiful peaks.--Esprit15d 20:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Putting a note on every talk page is a bit long winded - better to have a template common to each article - template:Bulgarian-named Antarctic place is a bit long-winded but quite specific. This would provide a link to the article that lists all these places (you do have a list don't you?). An HTML comment or note in the template can give the copyright release details. -- RHaworth 21:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

New articles (yet again)
While we're pleased to have new articles, you are refusing (depite numerous requests and helpful advice) to dio anything in the way of formatting them correctly. This causes other editors a great deal of work. Please learn how to present a Wikipedia article and edit accordingly. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, some of the relevant articles are yet to be un-tagged to become editable. Apcbg 08:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't understand. Moreover I was referring to the string of new articles that you created, all unformmatted just like the previous ones.  --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikification is something new to me; maybe I'll try first an approximation like e.g. the current version of Academia Peak then possibly improve it towards the standards here and take into account some useful suggestions made above.Apcbg 10:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcome & help offer
Hi. Firstly, well done on an impressive set of contributions - loads of good information there. I'm happy to work through them and copyedit them into the wikipedia 'style' and tidy up, and have started doing so on Arda Peak (+ Asparuh Peak and Asen Peak),. I'm not an expert on the subject though, so please check them to make sure I don't introduce any errors. I'm a firm believer that people should contribute what they know best - you clearly know your geography, so if you get the information on here, I'll format it! Kcordina 14:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kcordina, great thanks for the kind offer! Your intervention is most welcome and appreciated indeed. The edited articles are okay. Perhaps the directions would be better spelled with lower case initials and fewer hyphens (south, southeast, east-southeast etc.). The phrase about the mapping that you seem to have removed is actually about the first mapping of the feature -- an information that might or might not be worth keeping in the text. Apcbg 19:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Glad they're OK! I'll retain the note about the first mapping. I couldn't decide whether North/South etc had capitals or not, I'll leave them out from now.  When having a conversation via talk pages it's easier if you leave a message on the other persons talk page, then they get a note letting them know that someone has said something to them - it's a bit odd as it means the two halves of a conversation are in different places, but seems to work best that way. Kcordina 09:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree the pictures & pointers will be good additions to the articles. Check out the procedure for uploading them and sorting the copyright, rightly that is something that wikipedia insists is done correctly. Kcordina 11:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Nothanks
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Kresna Gully, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing!  Soothing R  18:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response, although for future reference I would like to ask you not to post any new messages on my userpage. Please use my talkpage. Anyway, yes, I recognized that Kresna Gully was indeed a valid article. Hence is why I removed the copyvio-tag only 15 minutes after I initially put it up there. So, there's no need to worry :) your article stays. I apoligize for the confusion which I have brought up.[[Image:Weather rain.png]] Soothing R  22:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

New category
Hello. I've created a Category:Geography of Livingston Island, which is more suitable than the present one for the Bulgaria-related Antarctic articles you've contributed. Please add them to it, as I've added some, but they're so many I simply can't cope. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 16:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Здравей! Разбирам какво имаш предвид. За момента е създадена само категория "Geography of Livingston Island", но разбира се не е проблем и ще направим и такива за Alexander Island и Greenwich Island.


 * Наистина е вярно, че статиите съчетават не само география, но и история, култура и топонимия, но така е също с голяма част от статиите за географски обекти като цяло, а тъкмо това разглеждат те. Просто такъв е принципът тук. Също трябва да отбележа, че липсата (засега) на статия или категория за историята на остров Ливингстън не е проблем (като асиметрия, например), защото в Уикипедия практиката е да се създават категории за всички по-тесни теми, където се насъбира голям брой статии, а в момента статиите за географията на Южните Шетландски острови са наистина доста като число, което налага да бъдат категоризирани по-точно, въпреки че историята не е застъпена отделно като категория. С Kcordina вече работим заедно по категоризацията, а на беседата ти исках да те уведомя за намеренията ни.


 * Бих искал също да те поздравя за наистина чудесния принос — невероятно количество от статии, много от тях доста детайлни и с наистина прекрасни снимки, и то по тема, която все още е зле застъпена в Уикипедия, да не говорим за родолюбската гордост, че именно на българските обекти в Антарктика е обърнато такова голямо внимание. Щастлив съм, че ще продължаваш да допълваш с информация настоящи и бъдещи статии.


 * Поздрави, [[Image:Flag of Bulgaria.svg|20px]] → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 19:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia: If it ain't broke fix it
Just for the record. A random check in few of the articles I have recently contributed would suggest that subsequent editing along with the overall improvement and wikification has on some occasions introduced factual inaccuracies or editorial styles disregarding established English spelling or punctuation practices (s.a. the replacement of decimal points by decimal commas). I am opening no discussion as apparently anyone is free to edit at will here; nor am I going to allocate precious time to proofreading modified texts that have been carefully verified more than once before. In other words: While I am obviously responsible for my original texts, I am not responsible for searching or correcting subsequent questionable amendments, however obvious these might be to me.


 * A useful approach would be to politely point out the mistakes made by editors so they don't make them again. Kcordina 17:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Dear Kcordina, like I wrote the above was but a disclaimer. Otherwise, you are welcome to contact me at apcbg@yahoo.com for further clarification.  Apcbg 06:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Vazov Point
Vazov Point has been proposed for deletion. An editor thinks this geographical feature may not be notable enough for an article. Please see Notability for the relevant concerns. NickelShoe 17:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Vazov Rock too.
 * Dear NickelShoe, please see the talk pages to Vazov Point and Vazov Rock. Naturally, geographical features in Antarctica would have a relatively greater 'notability' than comparable features elsewhere because they account for nearly 100 per cent of all notable features on a given territory there.  (As you can imagine this percentage would be pretty low e.g. in a city or a densely populated area where the man-made features dominate both in quantity and significance.)  The 'notability' of an Antarctic geographical feature may be further enhanced by its relevance as a landmark in the course of field work or navigation, or if ice free.  All this is taken into account when the relevant place-naming authorities decide whether some feature merits a name or not.  Apcbg 08:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one who thought they should be deleted; I'm the one who bothered to let you know about it. That's great that you explained it on the talk page, but you didn't need to leave a note in the article itself, so I took it out.  You can put a message like "oppose deletion see talk" in your edit summary. NickelShoe 11:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Antarctica
Hi, thanks for the recent edit on Antarctica (about Solveig). However, would you happen to have a source or reference for it? While I don't doubt its accuracy, a reliable reference will reinforce that and is required for a featured article, such as Antarctica. Thanks! Gflores Talk 14:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick fix. :) Gflores Talk 19:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There is some discussion on the Population section of Antarctica on the talk page. Gflores Talk 19:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks also for your references on the Solveig article. Little did I know what I was creating! ;). -Fsotrain09 22:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Finished!
I think I have now tweaked all of the articles into some form of standard appearence, which hopefully leaves them standing as a good set of articles which can now be improved on further. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance. Kcordina 17:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

St. Kliment Ohridski
The redirect is inappopriate. When someone enters St. Kliment Ohridski in the search engine, they would expect to find the article on Clement of Ohrid. The base is named after him and this, that means, should be clarified explicitly in the name of the article on the base. The name itself is OK, St. Kliment Ohridski Base, but the redirect itself is bad choice. If you find it necessary, I'll make changes to the article affected by the bad use of the name that are about 10, but undoing the change is inappropriate, unnecessary and, I believe, simply wrong. As for the other sites affected (Wikipedia mirrors?), they copy the Wikipedia database every once in a while, so you shouldn't bother about them too much. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 14:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't actually see the why the negative effect to other sites of a necessary change in Wikipedia can be of any relevance to undo it. These sites should've not been pointing to a badly-chosen redirect page, for a starter, and it's actually a problem of theirs to solve, not ours. I only care about issues concerning Wikipedia when making changes here, and I believe this is the correct approach. [[Image:Flag of Bulgaria.svg|20px]] → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 14:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the name was unoccupied, but it should have been a redirect to Clement of Ohrid and now is. Those external sites should have linked to St. Kliment Ohridski Base, this is the valid article, not the redirect. If you have entered that badly-chosen address in those sites and now regret it, I have nothing to do with this. And actually, there might not have been a practical problem, but there was a logical one — the title St. Kliment Ohridski should not have ever redirected to the Antarctic base. As for the users and their access to the Bulgarian Antarctic base article, I already said the real damage is done by the individual who entered the address of an inappropriate redirect page in those sites. If this is you, then you should have given the matter somewhat more thought before acting. It is OK that you don't find any further discussion necessary, just don't blame me when I haven't done anything wrong, on the contrary. [[Image:Flag of Bulgaria.svg|20px]] → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 16:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Tarnovo-Livingston.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Tarnovo-Livingston.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the GFDL-self tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Image legality questions page. Thank you. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 23:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Both pictures image:Tarnovo-Livingston.jpg and image:kuzman.jpg are sourced

but the latter should not appear also as a thumbnail at the location of the former. Apcbg 10:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The OTRS note is nice, but we still need you to add the usual GFDL tag. Also, I'm highly skeptical that Lyubomir Ivanov is the copyright holder for Image:28-02-06-Souvenir-Sheet.jpg - stamps are invariably copyright the national government or its postal service, and if this is really GFDL, it would be the first postal object in history to be so licensed. Stan 04:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Churches in Antarctica
Hello again! I gained interest in the matter of churches in Antarctica after an article about the Russian Trinity Church on King George Island reached the Did You Know square at the Main Page. It used to claim it is the southernmost church in Antarctica, which is false because, as far as I know, our chapel at St. Kliment Ohridski Base is located even more to the south (based on how I see the two islands on that map and the coordinates given), which even means the Russian one isn't even the southernmost Eastern Orthodox church in the world. I also did some research and found that site that also mentions some kind of 'universal' (i.e. Anglican, Catholic, Evangelist and so on, all-in-one) church at McMurdo Station, which I also believe is even more to the south. Could you please confirm that, if possible, or correct me if I'm wrong? Thanks in advance! → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 18:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that out and don't worry about the late response! The Russian church looks indeed very beautiful. [[Image:Flag of Bulgaria.svg|20px]] → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 17:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Antartica image
The image was missing, appearing only as a red link. Though, I now notice some server problems going on with Commons, so the image might be still be there. Please add the image back if that's the case. -Kmf164 ( talk | contribs ) 20:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Catalan wiki
I've seen you've been editing in the Catalan Wikipedia recently, and wrote (or should I said used an automatic translation of) an article on the History of South Gerogia. (And after having reviewed your involvement in several wikipedias in different languages, it seems that Antartica is your topic of interest). As part of the Catalan team, I must say that we appreciate your contributions. Nonetheless, it takes a while for our editors to change the hundreds of grammar and spelling errors of automatically translated articles (no automatic translator is perfect, not even among languages of the same family, Portuguese and Catalan, which you presumably used; try it from Dutch to English and you'll see the results!). I believe the best thing for you to do, since you do not speak Catalan, would be to communicate with English-speaking Catalan users (like me, or any other user) so that we can coordinate tasks for translation of new articles and/or edit those that you want to submit from automatic translation sites; otherwise, your contributions will be unintelligible for Catalan speakers. --J.Alonso 21:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Dear Alonso:


 * Many thanks for your kind message, and for correcting (some of) the orthographic errors in my South Georgia article, which I both wrote and used automatic translation indeed. I highly appreciate your positive and constructive suggestion and will be happy to coordinate with you the translation into Catalan or editing of possible new contributions to the Catalan Wiki. Apcbg 07:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I reviewed the translations you did on . Are you using an automatic translator? Do you have the original document with you? There are just a couple of grammar mistakes, but there's also some stuff that doesn't make sense, and I can't figure out what the translator did. --Alonso 22:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Reverting the Antarctica FAC
Right, that's what I thought, that you were probably drawn in by the previous change. I didn't revert that one, since it wasn't a comment, but merely the user changing (=prettyfying) their own sig. Hey, I love the photo on your userpage! Bishonen | talk 09:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC).

Re Outlying areas of Europe
Hi Apcbg,
 * ''Many thanks for your contribution to this article, but why did you remove the smaller entities? It was more informative to have them, more so that theirs are precisely the articles that have little or no other templates, while some of higher level entries may be even 'over-templated'.

I'm still working on this template, so stand by; I'll try to re-incorporate them in the structure. Thanks for your prompt feedback! Regards, David Kernow (talk) 15:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The original template was based on a rather clear criterion for inclusion: Include those territories that are politically associated with Europe (European sovereignty) yet distant from Europe, typically situated closer to other continents than to any European country. Now with the recent changes, I am not so certain what the current principle might be, apparently not the original one as e.g. Ceuta and Melilla have disappeared with Svalbard and the Faroes added etc. I am afraid that the very idea of the template -- to present in a coherent way all the territories which are the global political extension of Europe beyond its narrow geographical limits -- may somehow get lost in the process. Apcbg 17:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Understood; I'll restore the original content of the template and add this criterion as a comment, in case anyone else decides to edit it. Hope you otherwise approve of the layout...? Yours, David (talk) 17:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sincere thanks, and yes an explanation of the principle and the template would be most welcome and useful indeed. My original idea was to stress commonality rather than division among respective nations (some of them have separate templates for their overseas territories), use local instead of English names though, and also use a neutral (e.g. alphabetical) ordering; this keeps the template more compact too. Best, Apcbg 17:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Have finished editing the template; see edit summaries for some comments re rationale. Re commonality, the template itself serves to group together all those European countries with outlying territories; or is there another commonality you have in mind (and I've missed!)...? I guess the template's size could be reduced somewhat by reducing the row width and removing the divider lines (then reformatting the columns) but I understand if you (or anyone else) reckon it'd still be too large. Thanks for your thanks!  Regards, David (talk) 20:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, it seems rather complete now. I have made some minor edits on a draft given below; you may delete it when not needed.  Just a couple of points (and I would be happy to answer any further questions you might have).  South Georgia is in the Southern Ocean no less than Bouvet or Kerguelen are.  The heading background colour -- there are so many grey templates, why another?  My proposal for pink is purely for aesthetic reasons :-)  Regarding the Italian islands, sure they are close to Europe but still closer to Africa.  If we have fixed a principle then we better follow it, otherwise the door would be open for any additions or removals.  (Pantelleria is 70 km from Tunisia and 100 km from Sicily; for Lampedusa the distances are 145 km and 215 respectively.) As for the size, it is large indeed but now it has the 'hide' option.  With the present structure, it's better to keep the divider lines too.  Nevertheless, if you could reduce the enpty rows width to half-row, the overal picture would look finer I guess. Best, Apcbg 13:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Table updated taking into account changes made in the meantime by other participants; in particular, seems like greater details are not favoured, e.g. the subdivisions of the Azores (which by the way were originally introduced by some Portuguese-speaking user) are removed. Best, Apcbg 18:18, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Outlying territories of European countries

Thanks, Apcbg; I think the table looks great and I agree with all your amendments and corrections. I only wonder what I'm missing re trying to reduce the row widths – not that this is a "must-do". Also given its size, I don't know how to ensure the template's default state is hidden; this, however, is how it current seems to appear in the articles I've revisited. Thanks for creating an interesting template! Yours, David (talk) 02:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

...Have just updated Outlying territories of European countries per the above. David (talk) 03:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks David, you have done a great job indeed; the template is now ready for its destruction by enthusiasts :-) Seriously, as people are likely to wonder why this or that particular territory is included, and yet another one is not, do you think that it would help users if they have a more formal algorithm so that they could easily check by themselves the correct application of the general principle?  The relevant text may be put not on the template itself, but only on the template page above the table.  Then it would not appear in articles featuring the template, but would be seen when someone goes to the template page.  Possible wording:
 * In order to avoid possible confusion and misunderstanding, the eligibility for inclusion in this template is defined technically as follows. An European outlying territory is a territory which: (1) has any political status other than independent country; (2) has a common sovereignty with some member state of the Council of Europe; and (3) either (a) the nearest independent country is not a member of the Council of Europe, or (b) the distance to the nearest European territory is more than 400 nautical miles.  (The distance in (a) is measured to the nearest other territory; the distance in (b) is twice the EEZ limit under the Law of the Sea Convention, ensuring that the respective jurisdictional waters are not contiguous.)
 * Best, Apcbg 07:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point; "Territories under European sovereignty but closer to continents other than Europe" is a rule of thumb, but I agree your paragraph is something better to which to point folk toward in future. I've added it to the template's section and a "(see inclusion criteria for further information)" link to the template. Yours, David (talk) 08:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sincere thanks! Best, Apcbg 08:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Flags
Re, are you particularly fond of these flags...? I realise it's only one opinion, but to me they look like "blots on the template's landscape"... Regards, David (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it was just a try; maybe you're right, so I removed them. While on this topic, is it possible to reduce only the height of the empty rows and the rows with horizontal dividing lines?  And another question, why some articles open with this template hidden and others don't?  Also, sometimes the opening of the template moves other templates around (South Georgia & SSI; History of SGSSI) or overlaps with them (Greenland)? And one last question, do you think that the Bulgarian and Portuguese versions of the template would be better too without flags? I'd appreciate having your advice. Best, Apcbg 14:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ''...is it possible to reduce only the height of the empty rows and the rows with horizontal dividing lines?
 * Should be; I have an idea how, but unfortunately I'm not a CSS/HTML whizz...
 * ''...why some articles open with this template hidden and others don't?
 * Good question! Maybe there's a straightforward way to find out who designed the "Nav*" classes used to enable this feature and ask him/her/them whether a default may be set...?
 * ''Also, sometimes the opening of the template moves other templates around...
 * Ditto;
 * ''...do you think that the Bulgarian and Portuguese versions of the template would be better too without flags?
 * Do you mean one or more templates on the Bulgaria and Portugal pages, or on the Bulgarian/Portugese Wikipedias/e...?
 * Regards, David (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I mean the Portuguese and the Bulgarian versions of this particular template. Best, Apcbg 15:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ...As in those links at the bottom of the template's code – sorry! Personally, I'd prefer them without, per the above, but maybe that's something the users of the Portugese and Bulgarian Wikipedias/e should decide...  Yours, David (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Peri-Antarctic countries and overseas territories
Guess what... David (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Dear David:
 * Many thanks for all your answers and advice. I shall follow your better judgement, and correspondingly remove the flags in several related templates in few Wikipedias.  Some wasted time and effort on my part, but that's the price for a lesson too ... Best, Apcbg 17:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, it's only one opinion; other folk may take an interest someday and add them again... I'm not against flags per se, but as their shape is angular I guess I prefer them aligned. So, if you'd prefer to keep the flags and can cook up some way to align them... maybe, though, the result might still look too complex... Meanwhile, if I had a dollar/euro/etc for every time some work has been reverted (often by myself!)... Yours, David (talk) 17:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, probably something like Modèle:Pays d'Europe, but you are right also that it would be too complex if the structure showing the relevant world regions and European countries is preserved; besides, the flags of the UK overseas territories are too similar at this scale. Anyway, I removed them all (at least that was easier than inserting them in the first place).  Thanks again. Best, Apcbg 19:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Compact version
Perhaps somewhat déjà vu, but this now carries a compact version of the template in case the tide of opinion favo/urs it. David (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Trying to reduce line height
In the quest to find out how to alter the line/row heights in templates etc, I suddenly remembered an experienced template-maker, AzaToth. Here's my request for advice and his reply; unfortunately it doesn't look as straightforward as I'd hoped... Yours, David (talk) 13:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Re Peri-Antarctic
Hi again Apcbg,
 * ''...please restore the original list of countries and territories. The template is about countries and overseqas territories that are per-Antarctic themselves...

Having removed Argentine Antarctica, I then forget what "peri-Antarctic" means...! Time for a break, I think, once I've corrected the template... Thanks for spotting my error so promptly. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 09:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! Best, Apcbg 10:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Edits in the article of the SGSSI
Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing. —Argentino (talk/cont.) 00:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi! That was an easily discernible edit, I just added a map. Anyway, thanks for reminding me about edit summaries; sometimes one is in a hurry, and edit summaries cannot be appended later I guess.  Best, Apcbg 08:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Your attacks
Please give some good reasons fopr your attacks on me on the Falkland Island talk page, and explaion why you object to this edit so strongly. I remind you there is no policy to say an editor can demand that no other editors edit the opening of any unprotected article, SqueakBox 20:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not interested in ad hominem arguments, so I never discussed (let alone attacked) you but particular topics. As already explained, the idea that the islands "have been the subject of a claim to sovereignty by Argentina since the early years of Argentina's independence from Spain in 1810" is factually untrue; neither did Argentina claim independence in 1810 nor did it claim the islands in 1810. Apcbg 21:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Er, I got the bit about independence from the Argentine page, where the first date under independence on the info box is 1810, I said absolutelty nothing other than that was the date of independence, I certainly made no other claim, SqueakBox 22:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In your text "since the early years of Argentina's independence from Spain in 1810" the independence appears as an accomplished fact in 1810, which is untrue. You have taken '1810' out of its context; in that infobox '1810' is the date of an event (the May Revolution) that preceded even the declaration of independence (1816 as given in the infobox) let alone the recognition of that independence (wrongly given in the infobox as 1821; the treaty between Spain and Argentina recognizing Argentina's independence was only concluded in the 1860s).  The year '1810' was not "the date of independence". Apcbg 22:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

yes, but we are hardly debating that edit that hasnt stood in the last few days anywway and certainly isnt an issue right now. What of that edit do you currently object to with such vehemence? SqueakBox 23:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * We already discussed that and you ended up stating that “claim implies dispute and there is no evidence of a disputed claim to sovereingty before 1833”. Well this statement of yours is untrue, for there were conflicting claims before 1833.  First, Spain specifically reiterated its claim in 1811, and did not resign its sovereignty and claims in the region until 1860s; second, Britain protested against Argentina’s activities in 1829 and reiterated its own sovereignty claim which, Britain reminded, had never been given up; and thirdly, the US Government explicitly rejected the Argentine claim and the Argentine attempt to establish effective control by force in 1831, and responded by force in December 1831 - January 1832. Apcbg 23:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, source and add. I'm really not trying to stir controversy, my edits were in good faith. I am a Brit who lives in a Hispanc culture, and who believes that both the invasion and the war were wrong but that the first led inexorably to the second. What Galtiri was doing metiendose con Thatcher God alone knows but once she discovered that the reoccupation was politically feasible there was no stopping her, y ademas she was clearly overall a hugely positive influence on the UK. I dont feel my edits were in contrary to what you are trying to say but do think that facts are better than generalisations, I only reverted what someone else had already reverted, add it well sourced and vamos a cambiar el opening and make it better, SqueakBox 02:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "... source and add ... vamos a cambiar el opening and make it better"?


 * I would rather not, for "Better is the Enemy of Good Enough" in this case I'm afraid. If I do it, I would be changing unilaterally the wording that was agreed as a compromise between a number of participants having different (all of them sourced) views as to what should be in the preamble.


 * The wording "... have been the subject of a claim to sovereignty by Argentina since the early years of Argentina's independence from Spain" is good enough for a preamble, all the (important) details about 1811, 1816, 1820, 1831, 1833, plaques, formal protests, arrests, use of force etc. have their proper place in the main text that follows the preamble.


 * "... but do think that facts are better than generalisations" — not in the opening of an article, which is precisely the place for generalizations rather than detailed facts.


 * In any case, I wouldn't support any change in the consensus text of the preamble without a new debate with more participants from among the regular contributors to this article. Apcbg

Mercator Cooper
Thanks for your edits. I thought at first they answered a couple open spots in the article. But now I have a couple questions. Did anybody other than Davis land on Antarctica before Cooper? (although the reference I used does refer to Great Antactica). The wiki article notes the 1821 landing is in dispute. I absolutely cannot find any links to reference to St. Peter in the Bonin Islands. Other accounts of the landing refer to "northern Japanese islands." There of course is some logic if there was an American whalebase in the Bonins. Thanks. Americasroof 20:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I can recall no records for other landings on the mainland between those of Davis and Cooper, by the way the landing of Davis is documented and I see no reasons to question it; the wiki article cites no sources of possible doubts (so that remark should actually be withdrawn); I would be interested to see such sources if any. There is a web reference to 'S. Peter's rock' in Bonin Islands, mentioned in connection with another wreckage.  The islands were used by the Americans and the British as a whaling base in the early 19th century; as they were later annexed by Japan, the early European names for the individual islands became possibly superceded by Japanese names.  Pribilof Islands are highly improbable; I don't think they were even visited by Japanese at that time, and indeed they were Russian islands and by no means "northern Japanese islands". Apcbg 22:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for going the extra mile! It's a big help!  02:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian lev
Hi Apcbg, you did a small change on Bulgarian lev where you changed a sentence of "the exchange rate Euro to German mark is" to "the exchange rate Euro to German mark was". I reverted your change, because the mark was replaced by the euro, but the exchange rate itself still exists (and is used by the Bundesbank if you want to exchange some old marks into euro anytime in the future). The past tense is simply not correct then. Cheers, MikeZ 09:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll not revert it, although your logic seems questionable to me. That that exchange rate still exists — which means that the Bundesbank is in a position to change it by the way — is a subsequent development quite irrelevant to the Bulgarian Lev.  The past time is quite correct because the sentence narrates a past event.  Best, Apcbg 16:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Got your point that it's quite irrelevant to the Bulgarian Lev. I just wanted to point out that this same exchange rate is still existing - and, you're right, is fixed. I just feared that the past tense could be read as was at this time and would therefore indicating a rate either non-fixed or non-existent. Cheers, MikeZ 08:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Your map is a featured picture candidate
Hi! I've just nominated your map Image:Livingston-Greenwich-map.jpg for featured picture status. The nomination is at Featured picture candidates/Map of Livingston Island and Greenwich Island. Hope the nomination is successful, it deserves it. Best, Todor→Bozhinov 18:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The beginning of the secular celebration of 24th of May
Dear Apcbg, on the first place it is inappropriate to erase sourced information even if there are newer points of view on the same matter. Second, if you want to create something really relevant, you have to offer scientific publication, written by some specialist in History, but not a jubilee speech of the head of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences simply because Academician Ivan Yuhnovski has built his career in the sphere of physical chemistry as far as I know! I don't think that his too indefinite words in this speech could resolve the problem. And finally, at least - as responsible editors - we must quote both theses. Best wishes, Jackanapes 10:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Your Reverts
Please don't delete statements only because you don't like its contents. Here you deleted a fact, claiming it was unsourced; however it had its link to the source. If there is a conflict between your interests and the informaiton in Wikipedia (A Wikipedia conflict of interest is an incompatibility between the purpose of Wikipedia, to produce a neutral encyclopedia, and the aims of individual editors. WP:COI ) send in a request for comment. --Argentini an 22:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:
I cant find a webpage to quote, however the book La Infanteria de Marina en el conflicto del Atlantico Sur; (Jorge Alberto Erecaborde) says "La Compañia Argentina de Pesca SA al amparo de las leyes argentinas y bajo su bandera se instala en Grytviken - San Pedro - Georgias del Sur"

I'm afraid nobody will be able to check it, but I belive it is a reliable source. Do you agree?


 * I'm Sorry, I forgot the commas. in the Spanish Language the structures that add information to the statement (place, cause, method, etc) can be sometimes put before the verb. The quotation and it's translation in English :

"La Compañia Argentina de Pesca SA, al amparo de las leyes argentinas y bajo su bandera, se instala en Grytviken - San Pedro - Georgias del Sur" Litteral: "The Argenitne Fishing Comany [SA = Inc.??] settles in Grytviked - Georgia Island - South Georgia Islands protected by the Argentine laws and under its flag" Meaning: "The Argentine Fishing Comany [SA = Inc.??] setled in Grytviken protected by the Argentine laws and under its flag" I dont know if it is better to put "the Argentine" rather than "its" before flag. The point is, it does say the argentine flag flied over the islands. If you like you can ask other users' interpretation, but I am certain they wont provide a much different translation for you.

Google's translation is " La Compañia Argentina de Pesca SA, under protection of the Argentine laws and low its flag, settles in Grytviken "--Argentini an 20:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Clarification: San Pedro is the name given to South Georgia by the León in 1756. --Argentini an 20:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I trust that you are reporting correctly that text from the book La Infantería de Marina de la Armada Argentina en el Conflicto del Atlántico Sur 1982 - Cronología by Jorge A. Errecaborde, but it contains no concrete facts of an event with the Argentine flag being raised on South Georgia, the Argentine anthem sung, and Argentine possession proclaimed. That a company registered in Argentina is "al amparo de las leyes argentinas y bajo su bandera" does not imply that people working for the company bring the Argentine law and flag to new lands.  The text does not say any such thing.  I don't think that your search for a source supporting your claim that Larsen and his team raised the Argentine flag, sang the Argentine anthem, and proclaimed Argentine possession.  If that was the case, there would have been first-hand records in the diaries of participants and other publications.  That not being the case, the authoritative Argentine source, Historia de las Relaciones Exteriores Argentinas etc. states clearly that no Argentine flag was raised by the company on the island.  Why on earth would they do it?  Those were not Argentine officials — unlike Captain James Cook who was a British official instructed by the Admiralty to take possession of South Georgia for Britain, which he did in 1775 in a ceremony on the coast recorded in the diaries and published in the books written by three participants in that event — moreover, there was not a single Argentine among Larsen's team that built Grytviken.  All 60 of them were Norwegians, professional whalers from Norway (no Argentine scrap merchants indeed :-).


 * To repeat: You are claiming a conrete act, raising a flag in a particular place. No such concrete event is reported, and I object to your attempt to attribute nonexistent concreteness to the above general statement that could be made for any company registered in Argentina.


 * By the way, I know what "San Pedro" is; should you care to read the article you are trying to edit (and of which I am the original author) you might find the explanation of that name too. Apcbg 21:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Wanted to thank you for the work you've put in on the expulsion question as well as other things. Really not something I expected to get so involved in, I was just perusing the history out of blind curiosity, spotted an inconsistancy and tried to fix it. It seems some subjects are covered in mouse traps. Though, it has got me into the general Falkland info. As you seem fluent (to some degree) in spanish, I was wondering if you could translate the name of the ref used by Argentini an in the south georgia article, I'm having trouble locating the book through any method. Narson 00:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ancient-Thrace-bio-stub
Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha?  00:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The first book at hand I consulted, Thracians by Alexander Fol and Valeria Fol, ISBN: 978-9549717181 has fifty-odd persons mentioned, not just kings and other nobles but also priests, poets, singers, artists etc. that could possibly need such a bio stub. In any case, if this template were deleted I trust there would be no objection to inserting in the relevant present articles a footnote to the same effect with no template used?  I have no problems with having the template renamed 'Ancient-Thrace-stub'. Apcbg 08:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Even if there were fifty currently existing stubs, the stub type would not reach the threshold for a separate stub category. Possible, currently non-existent, stubs are not taken into consideration. The reason for this should be clear - it's possible to find 60 things to write about on just about any subject, but since the primary aim of having separate stub types is to make it easier for editors to find particular stubs by categorising them in reasonable numbers (not so many as to be daunting, not too few to require searching through many categories), there's no point in pointing them towards stubs that don't currently exist. A plain Ancient-Thrace-stub would be a possibility, though I've a feeling it has been suggested and rejected in the past due to the small number of articles. As to inserting a footnote, there'd be no problem from the stub-sorters, but it wouldn't really serve any purpose. As I said, the main purpose of stub templates is to categorise articles for editors. A footnote wouldn't do that - all a footnote could say is that an article is a stub, which should be pretty obvious to anyone seeing it. And other editors to the articles might not like the idea and remove any such note.

If you're keen, a better idea might be to find other editors working on Ancient Thrace (via the histories of articles on that subject), and start a small WikiProject on the subject (WikiProjects gives some pointers on how to do this). That way you could list and assess all articles relating to the subject on a WikiProject subpage, and also list articles which need to be made. If it's successful, then you might soon get to the point where having a stub types does make sense due to the number of new articles created. Grutness...wha?  09:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again - you wrote: I see your points. Apparently there is a rule on stubs requiring 60 stubs, there are possibly less than that Thrace-related stubs at present, hence no Thrace-stub template. My topics of contribution to Wikipedia are not so much in the stub field, or Thracian history for that matter. I just saw several articles on ancient Thracian persons (the latter having Antarctic geographical features named for them, which had been my original starting point) using the 'Ancient-Greece-bio-stub' template which did not seem correct as those people definitely were not Greeks, ancient Thrace being a distinct civilization even if neighbouring. (It's like an Irish biographical article using the 'England-bio-stub' template on account of having an insufficient number of Irish stubs ...) So how would you suggest to avoid such misleading labelling, just revert them or what?


 * A good question. I might have a possible compromise answer - I'm going to propose an Ancient-Euro-bio-stub for biographies or similar of ancient European people in general, specifically for all those not covered by the two legit stubs for Ancient Romans and Ancient Greeks. That would almost certainly reach 60 stubs, and given that many editors with knowledge of one aspect of ancient Europe would also have some knowledgeof other aspects, it might be a reasonable category to hve. BTW, the reason for the 60 threshold is twofold - it splits the stubs into reasonably "bite-sizes" for editors looking for stubs to expand (not so many as to be too daunting or vague and not so precise that an editor might need to look through a dozen categories to find articles to expand), and it also reduces the necessary maintenance work for stubsorters. Grutness...wha?  01:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Zlatna maska teres-2.jpg|44px|]]That would be a satisfactory solution I believe. Just one suggestion: Could we please illustrate the new Ancient-Euro-bio-stub with the picture used in Ancient-Thrace-bio-stub?  It's the golden mask of a Thracian king, and arguably the Thracians upheld the reputedly earliest cultural tradition in Europe; as you possibly know the world's oldest gold (dated 46th century BC) was found near Varna. Apcbg 11:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * See my reply at WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2007/June. Grutness...wha?  23:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for edit summary
It would be nice if you could use an edit summary more often. Thanks! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Oleg, thanks for your suggestion; yes I know it helps but time is so precious ... I'll be trying. Apcbg

1833
It seems the 1833 'expulsion' issue is going to rear its head again on the Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands page again. If it becomes an issue again I would appreciate the help, as you did such great research into it previously (And debunked the idea far more than I thought would be possible). Narson 00:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've struck the compromise idea. As you pointed out, says more than I wanted it to. I really hate the whole damn sentence, honestly. I have no idea why its pegged onto a sentence about falkland islanders citizenship and isn't down in Argentinian claims. I just have no desire for the fight with the Argentinian and Irish editors it would take. Narson 13:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

верно ли е?
верно ли е че има българи на антарктика :D искам и аз да дойда... :) аз съм от македония и мисля че е много добре че нашия западен съсед има хора на антарктика... слабо говоря български, ма мисля че разбра кво искам да ти каза :)

поздрав

Guitardemon666 14:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands
I was wondering if with your knowledge of the History of the Falklands Islands you could provide a date for the Spanish departure in 1811. We have a nominal date of January 8th 1811 from one source but its unclear whether this is the actual date of departure or that of the order. Justin A Kuntz 08:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently February 13th; see my sourced response on the article's talk page. Apcbg 17:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

History of the Falkland Islands
Hi there, I could do with picking your brains again. I've an edit proposed in Talk:History_of_the_Falkland_Islands that includes a contribution suggested by a comment you made. I'm having a problem finding a citation and may go with an alternate text instead. Any chance you might remember the source? Justin A Kuntz 20:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * According to Admiral Laurio Destéfani, “Attempts have been made to create a legend of courageous gauchos who attacked and defeated the British, but this is just imagination”, with the true story of what happened being “stated in 42 documents published by the National Academy of History”. As for the subsequent developments, Destéfani maintains that “Rivero and three other men were sent to England, but there the court ruled they could not be tried because the Malvinas had not been incorporated yet to the British Empire”.  That incorporation happened in 1841 with the appointment of the first Lieutenant Governor, Richard Moody who was instructed by Lord John Russell: “... immediately after your arrival you have to find the means to administer law and justice within the colony.  In a proclamation you’ll notify the inhabitants of the Falklands that the law of England is in effect in the islands; you’ll make sure this is complied with in any part of the islands where it is possible to find competent people to perform the offices of judges or magistrates”.  Hope this helps.


 * to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you.    Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 22:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That speedy deletion tag has been removed by DGG as indeed Holman's published work “is at least a minimal claim to notability.” Apcbg (talk) 23:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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Cámara base
Hi

Thanks for correcting the image I have uploaded. I asked my brother and he said the base showed in the picture is Brown, so I have reuploaded it and place the speedy deletion template in the new one.

Best Regards bcartolo (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Dear Bcartolo, happy to be of use. Best, Apcbg (talk) 22:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry...
Sorry for bothering you here also, it was a mistake of mine, i was writing an explanation in the edit summary box but pressed "enter" by accident. My comment was not addressing your contributions at all.--Δρακόλακκος (talk) 14:59, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem really, but anyway thank you for your kindness. Best, Apcbg (talk) 17:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Greece
It was me who, I believe, suggested that ArbCom recommend the policies be changed. I do not and never have thought that they could change policies themsleves. I said I had a "proposal for them", I didn't say that the proposal was that they would change policy. However, that is not so relevant. What is relevant is that even your apology is in violation of talk page guidelines, and, as per the template recently added to the top of the page, should be removed immediately as such. Please at least try to stick to the point, which is dealing with the article, not making misleading statements regarding the statements of others. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * John, like I wrote that was not meant as the literal quote from a particular comment ("Some ‘supporters’ wrote etc." is plural). Then you claimed to be the author, and that you are misquoted, so I modified my text to reflect your relevant statement; I'll be inserting the "recommend the policies be changed" piece too.  Anyway, should you still believe that my comment in question is misrepresenting your input or otherwise abusive or violating that talk page guidelines, then feel free to delete it. Best, Apcbg (talk)
 * Understood, and I didn't take it as such. Unfortunately, we have to be careful about what we say others said, particularly if those statements are inaccurate, as they can be used as "weapons" by others (not you, I didn't mean you) against the alleged speakers. And I only placed the tag on the page because it seemed to me required, although your own input was no worse than a lot of others I've seen elsewhere and not reacted similarly to. But some of the editors invovled seem to have offered little if any real substantive comment, instead apparently attempting to sidetrack the discussion by insults or other attempts at misdirection. In the end, all they do is make the page much longer, harder to read and respond to, and otherwise make things worse in general. Sorry if my earlier statements were harsher than they needed to be, but I can get more than a bit tempermental at times, and this seems to have been one of them. My apologies again. John Carter (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense at all. I saw the reasons for your concern, so there is no need to apologise.  My principle is: discuss topics not people, ad hominem is a sign of weakness; respect your opponents (if sometimes one's behaviour makes that impossible, don't show it); a confrontational win that antagonizes one's opponents is likely to become a loss in the long run.  And while we all could make a mistake now and then, it's much better to admit rather than deepen it.  Best, Apcbg (talk) 14:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Bulgarian Macedonia
I have been under the impression that the Bulgarian province is more commonly referred to as Blagoevgrad. Its people probably self-identify as Macedonians but does the province by itself qualify to appear in the dab page for Macedonia? I am not exactly sure so I am asking you. 'Pirin Macedonia' is a term sometimes used, mostly by nationalists from the nearby republic. But does that mean that at least in English, Macedonia alone is used for the Blagoevgrad Province? Of course it is part of the geographic Macedonia under one definition, that is covered in the articles.

The map I made was not intended as the most accurate geographic map but a tool to help disambiguate the word. You noticed that I have made the best efforts to be clear that Bulgaria also has a piece of the geographic region - it is an improvement of the one by Future that is now on the page.

Would you have any suggestions on how to cover/fit the Bulgarian province description in that map? Keep in mind that I too find it awkward to include a map in the dab page, but it might be helpful to some readers. Shadow mor ph ^"^ 22:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The names Pirin Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia and Vardar Macedonia (Bulgarian: Pirinska Makedoniya, Egeyska Makedoniya and Vardarska Makedoniya) are well established in the post-1913 Bulgarian usage. They are used for the respective historical-geographical regions, and no longer have any irredentist connotations bar few marginal nationalists.  (That the same names are used in another discourse by Skopje is their problem that could not interfere with the normal Bulgarian practice.)


 * This usage is part of the general Bulgarian practice which I shall try to describe briefly below.


 * As you may know, the country is divided into 28 administrative regions or provinces named as a rule after their respective principal cities (excepting Sofia Province that does not include the city itself which constitutes a separate Sofia City Province).


 * However, along with that administrative division the country has a number of historical-geographical regions of different scope and dimension that often transcend administrative borders.


 * The principal such historical-geographical regions are Miziya (English/Roman Moesia) comprising all the provinces north of the Balkan Range including a part of Sofia Province; Trakiya (English Thrace) comprising the provinces south of the Balkan Range excepting Sofia, Sofia City, Pernik, Kyustendil and Blagoevgrad Provinces (in Bulgarian usage the Greek territory east of Nestos River is Western Thrace while Turkey’s European territory is known as Eastern Thrace); and Pirinska Makedoniya (English Pirin Macedonia) which coincides with Blagoevgrad Province.


 * Besides, there are some smaller historical-geographical regions such as Dobrudzha (Dobrich and Silistra Provinces; in Bulgarian usage the Romanian territory between the Danube and Black Sea is Northern Dobrudzha); Rodopi (English Rhodopes) which comprises the relevant mountainous area situated mostly in Trakiya but having its western extremity in Pirinska Makedoniya too; and Shopsko (most of Sofia, Sofia City, Pernik and Kyustendil Provinces in Western Bulgaria).


 * Furthermore, there are also some still smaller historical-geographical regions such as Strandzha (the homonymous mountain and the adjacent sea coast); Ludogorie or Deliorman in Northeastern Bulgaria; Gerlovo in Northeastern Bulgaria; Graovo and Znepole in Pernik Province, Chech in Blagoevgrad Province etc.


 * While not administrative entities, these regions cannot be regarded as ‘unofficial’ as their names (involving regional identities too) are widely used in the Bulgarian public practice including in official documents such as regional development programs, decisions, proceedings etc. of government, parliament, judiciary, and local authorities; for instance, Pirin Macedonia – and mind it, not as a quote of Skopje wording either – is found in (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7).


 * Back to the Macedonia case here. From a disambiguation point of view, users would be facilitated if they get an idea of the complex reality concerning Macedonia with its present territorial entities, and linguistic and ethnic identities involving the usage of the names ‘Macedonia’ and ‘Macedonian’.  Meaning in particular that the currently nameless overlapping territory of Bulgaria and Macedonia (region) on your map would be desirable to get some distinct colour, and its name ‘Pirin Macedonia’ or ‘Blagoevgrad Province’ – no big difference which one; taking the map’s scale/configuration into account, that might as well be shortened to ‘Pirin M.’ or ‘Pirin’.  I also agree that the map doesn’t seem to sit too well on the disambiguation page, but then it may be used beneficially in other relevant articles.


 * It is also my opinion that even if – as you point out – 'Macedonia' alone is not used for 'Pirin Macedonia' (and correctly so one might say), Bulgarian Macedonia nevertheless has its own place in the Macedonia disambiguation page regardless of the map too, but so far has been persistently removed from there. Apcbg (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the analysis. I guess it would be ok to include the Bulgarian Macedonia in the dab page then. If you have followed my edits at Macedonia (disambiguation) when it was a primary topic, before ChrisO moved it, you can see that I always was for including all possible Macedonias. That is what other geographic dab pages do. I would also support to add West Macedonia, Central Macedonia etc. If I remember correctly I had suggested something in italics, like:
 * for the region in Bulgaria also known as Pirin Macedonia see Blagoevgrad province.
 * It can go between Macedonia (Greece) and Macedonia (region) with a little tweaking. Shadow mor ph  ^"^ 15:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is what I once tried to add . Of course now we have splitted the adjective. Shadow mor ph  ^"^ 15:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be perfectly okay with me. The problem is not so much the particular wording that could be done in several different ways, as the warfare attitude of some editors (exemplified in the recent debate in Talk:Greece and Talk:Macedonia) carried out with an openly proclaimed objective of getting the opponents banned. Not my idea of Wikipedianism but anyway. Apcbg (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok I have been bold and changed the dab page accordingly with some other ideas too. Check it out. Shadow mor ph  ^"^ 18:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope that there are still some people here that believe in good faith and not immediately revert everything back. Continuing in the discussion page of the dab page. Shadow mor ph  ^"^ 18:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done, thanks. Apcbg (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Straw Poll on Units of Measurement in the Falklands Islands article
Dear Apcbg, Thanks for your contributions to the Falklands Island article. The distances to various points from the Falkland Islands have been particularly valuable.

As you know, the question of units of measurement in this article has led to acrimonious debate this year. People have taken several different positions:


 * 1 Metric first as a general rule.


 * 2 Imperial first as a general rule.


 * 3 Imperial first as a general rule, except for temperatures in Celsius.


 * 4 Follow the source of the information as a general rule.

I myself favour the metric system, but would be willing to follow the sources of information, many of which are metric only or metric first. Also, if there was a clear consensus for one of the other positions, I would accept it. However, at the moment there is no clear evidence of a consensus.

As one who has made such a good contribution to this article your contribution to the straw poll and the discussion could be valuable. []

Best wishes,

Michael Glass (talk) 00:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar
Thank you very much for this award, Apcbg! Jingby (talk) 09:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well deserved, indeed! Apcbg (talk) 10:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Language help
A Macedonian citizen has created an article, presumably about himself. It's up for deletion at Articles for deletion/Igor Krajcev. If you know the language could you please take a look at this to see if the award given is a) "notable" and b) that Igor Krajcev won the claimed award. Thanks! You are welcome to participate in the deletion discussion too.

I found your page via a search for "Macedonian" in the user space and you came up as a recently active editor who seems likely to be able to at least read the cited reference and understand the Wikipedia sources/citations stuff. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 04:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Best, Apcbg (talk) 08:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I added a couple of questions to the AfD, mainly focused on the award as that appears to be the only qualifying point notability. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 06:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the attention you are putting into the AFD. I have one off-topic question which is about the word "роднокрајни." I'm guessing it means "native to city or town" but why is it used so often with authors, writers, publishers, etc. and less often in other contexts? --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 09:00, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed, the adjective "роднокрајни" (pl.), and "роднокраен," "роднокрајна," "роднокрајно" (sing.) means "of a birth place (region)." Probably, because of that specific nuance, it is most often used for arts and literature people and objects but also associations, activities, publications, collections, topics etc. and, as you say, particularly numerous occasions for such usage would seem to arise in the case of writers. Apcbg (talk) 22:34, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I like learning stuff like this. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 09:20, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. Apcbg (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Atanasoff
The lead has been stable for quite some time. If you and Monshuai are just going to go back to edit warring on it, I'm going to request that the article be locked. We're not going to have Bulgarian boosterism in the lead. It doesn't benefit the article. Robert K S (talk) 06:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You reverted my update of a source link (later fixed) apparently without checking what that was. As for Atanasoff, my opinion is that his nationality background ought to be presented no differently than that of numerous Italian Americans, Chinese Americans etc. etc., whether the common place for that be in the lead or elsewhere in the article.  As the current version goes, while it reports that his father was Bulgarian, the term Bulgarian American occurs nowhere in the article itself, which does not seem right to me. Apcbg (talk) 08:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Zdravei, imash li vazmojnost da organizirash Bulgarskoto obshtestvo v Wikipedia za da si zashtitavame nashite interesi? Koi sa Bulgarskite administratori? Triabva da dokajem che na drugi po goliami natsii im se razreshava da pishat Italian-American, Chinese-American, Japanese-American etc makar i che mnogo ot tezi hora imat ne poveche vruska sus durjavite na pradedite im ot kolkoto Atanasov. Dori ima mnogo dozakaltestva che poradi natsionalnite nagradi, institutsii v negovo ime i izvestnosta na tozi chovek v Bulgaria, toi ima po goliama vruska s neia ot kolkoto naprimer niakoi kato Michelle Kwan ili Nancy Pelosi imat sus Kitai i Italia. Za tezi natsii mnogo editors i administratori sa se saglasili che imat pravo da predstavat informatsia po tozi nachin dokato takiva kato Robert K S ne se interesuvat ot tova. Te naprimer ne "popravat" tezi stotitsi drugi statii. Zashto? Tova li e printsipa na Wikipedia da se izpolzvat razlichni pravila za vsiaka natsia? Da se razreshavat niakoi neshta za niakoi natsii i drugi za drugi natsii? Chesno li e da budat predstaveni goliamite durjavi v dobra svetlina za razlika ot malkite koito niamat choveshkite resursi da se boriat za svoite prava? Pod pravo imam predvid prosto da budem tretirane kakto i drugite. Printsipi vinagi sushtestvuvat v otnositelsnost na kak se izpolzvat v razlichni konkretni i abstraktni sferi na choveshkoto sushtestvuvanie. Ako shte se promeniat informatsii za Atanasov koito ne otgovariat na mnojestovoto statii v Wikipedia, togava triabva sushtite hora da budat nakari da promeniat informatisata za hiliadi drugi statii koito vkluchvat stotitsi frugi natsii. Chisto i prosto! Kakto i da e, triabva mnogo poveche hora koito podurjat nashiat perspektiv da budat vklucheni v tazi virtualna "bitka" za obektivnost i spravedlivost.--Monshuai (talk) 13:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The edit summary "... a relation to the said country, wheres there exists none other than his parents' origin." submitted by the editor who remuved the Bulgarian name form is patently untrue, probably he didn't care to consult the paper itself and especially its sources.
 * Otherwise, I do not believe in edit warring; it's time wasting, and generates totally unnecessary negative attitudes at the expense of positive contribution and collaboration. Maybe some further discussion on this particular issue on the article's talk page would be helpful. Best, Apcbg (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

JVA is added to the category Category:Bulgarian_Americans and I believe that is sufficient. His ethnicity is not germane to his notability, and so it should not be emphasized in the lead. The notice that he was born to a Bulgarian immigrant is probably a little boosterish as well, appearing in the lead as it does. Is it any more relevant to his rise as a physicist than stating that he was born to an immigrant, or stating that he was a second-generation American? Monshuai's claim that Bulgaria assisted in Honeywell v. Sperry Rand is unsupported and, pardon the pun, patently false. Robert K S (talk) 23:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The categories are not part of the article's text. As for his ethnicity not being germane to his notability, the article is about the person not about the comnputer for which he became famous; naturally, there are many other aspects of his biography presented in the article, and ethnicity is one of them. Apcbg (talk) 06:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Sega e vreme da se vkluchish v diskusiata za Atanasovskata statia. Ima edna administratorka koyato e obektivna i ne misli che Bulgarian-American e nekorektno predstaviane na lichnostamu. Kaji si i ti dumata za da ne ostana edinstveniat na fronta v moment kogato imame malko predimstvo.--Monshuai (talk) 02:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Antarctic Place-names Commission
Can you please explain the Antarctic Place-names Commission? Are you affiliated with this organization? Does this organization have any international standing? Are the names it assigns recognized outside of Bulgaria? Do they appear on any maps or charts published for international use? Robert K S (talk) 18:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it's my principle to discuss topics not personal issues here. As for the Antarctic Place-names Commission, should you care to consult its article you would find the answers to your questions.  In particular, the names given by Bulgaria are incorporated in the authoritative international gazetteer of Antarctic names (CGA) – same like the names given by other Antarctic nations. Apcbg (talk) 20:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
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Christmas
Happy Christmas Lyubomir. Hopefully we will have more occassion to run into one another on wiki next year! I've been rather busy entering the world of politics, it has dented my wiki time even more than my studies has. -- Narson ~  Talk  • 10:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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Gibraltar / San Roque
I have amended the wording slightly of the sentence describing San Roque, please alter your vote accordingly if you do not agree with the revised edition. It won't be altered again, but on reflection there is no evidence for the word majority. --Gibnews (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

First Bulgarian Empire
Zdravei... Vijdam che se vkluchi v diskusiata za Purva Bulgarska Durjava. Struva mi se che tvoya komentar e podhodiasht za diskusiata v angliiskata statia za Bulgaria. Ako imash vreme vij kakuv spor sum imal tam. Mersi. (Izviniavam se che ne pisha na Kirilitsa.)
 * The intro to the Bulgaria article seems rather clumsy and poor style too (see for comparison the France article -- the first one I opened arbitrarily); I have no wording proposal though. Apcbg (talk) 20:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

File:Blue-Beach.JPG
What a nice picture!, thanks for sharing. I always thought there were taller hills around --Jor70 (talk) 13:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. It's a typical, gently rolling Falklands landscape.  The 'taller hills', actually the tallest, are the Wickham Heights starting some 15 km away (ahead and to the left of the photo's view direction), but even those are barely rising to 700 m.  A truly 'tall' and steep mountainous terrain could be found either to the west in the Patagonian and Fuegian Andes, or to the east, on South Georgia.  Possibly might have something to do with the fact that originally the Falklands used to be adjoined to Africa (not America or Antarctica). Apcbg (talk) 09:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Yesilköy
Hallo Acpbg,

thanks for answering to my revert! I wrote the voice, so I am trying always to do some housekeeping on it... :-)

As a matter of fact, I think there here there are two problems:


 * according to what you wrote, the name of the peak refers to the Treaty, not to the village; so it should go under the Treaty of San Stefano voice.


 * here I answer with an example: according to your philosophy, in the voice Rome there should be a list of the (about) 53 settlements, mountains, and so on, which take their name from the eternal city. This makes no sense, but make sense to write on each single voice about its etymology.

Last but not least, the information that you write in the article is out of context in the place where you wrote it.

Do you see my reasons now?

Kindest regards, Alex2006 (talk) 08:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * OK! Then let's find a place for this info... :-) But have you been in Antarctica? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The using of Miscellaneous is discouraged, but we make an exception here... :-) But why did a mountain get the name of a treaty? Is there a special rule in Antarctica (something like female names for mountains in Venus)? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 11:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I known, the Italian mission in Antarctica was great! Unfortunately, they have more and more financing problem... :-( I suppose that we are next on the list after Greece and Portugal. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 13:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, actually also San Stefano is an italian name :-) But why didn't they give names in English? I f each land uses its own language, the Geography of Antarctica should be a mess...Did you use for your articles the description on this web site? Is it allowed to do that? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 05:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

New publication
You need to stop messing with your language, people will start to chase you with pitchforks ;) On a more serious note, I am probably going to have a poke at the Lyubomir article (ugh. Third person conversations) and see if I can't get it going somewhere again. Oh, and did you see we got a Green MP over here? Obviously I'd rather my party won, but Caroline Lucas appears to be a fine politician. -- Narson ~  Talk  • 18:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Expectedly so, no good deed remains unpunished :-) Caroline Lucas' is a remarkable success indeed, congratulations.  Hope they focus more on environmental issues rather than foreign policy that apparently is not their strong side. Best, Apcbg (talk) 08:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, their economic policy was no better. Their manifesto was rather than to cut spending or to hold spending they were pledging to increase spending. They at times can be a bit on the communist side of socialist. But I might be a bit biased, as a Lib Dem electon agent ;) -- Narson ~  Talk  • 21:29, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree about the economic policies. In any case, theirs is a long way to a possible participation in government (like e.g. the German Greens) when one goes beyond mere opposition mentality to get real and take responsibility. Apcbg (talk) 15:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I suspect the Lib Dems would happily have Lucas take our whip, but her own party would probably have a fit if she came into government that way. Our party would also probably have a fit. We are really struggling in making that mental change to government. Anyway, I'll start compiling stuff for the article and see what I can do to move it forward after Thursday (by-election time sadly) -- Narson ~  Talk  • 15:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Wish you every success in the by-elections, and happy editing :-); do let me know if I could be of any assistance in the latter. Apcbg (talk) 09:37, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Narson, you might be interested to see the new article fr:Lioubomir Ivanov in the French Wiki written by User:Hubertgui; it is a substantial effort, quite informative indeed, and even if not exactly NPOV (my opinion at least) it is appreciated nonetheless. Apcbg (talk) 11:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Civilians left at Port Louis after Onslow takeover
Apcbg, the number of people you have here: Residents of Port Louis as of 5 January 1833 doesn't quite tally with the information in Getting It Right which says there were 22 residents left, and that Ventura Pasos and 4 Gauchos arrived later in March along with Mathew Brisbane and Thomas Helsby. Dab14763 (talk) 03:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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Antarctic islands
Apcbg, please see User talk:Peter Horn for my reply. Peter Horn User talk 15:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Long since done. Peter Horn User talk 21:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-Self-Governing
Hi, I would appreciate you explained why you reverted my edit on the Falklands being "Non-Self-Governing". This fact is well referenced given their inclusion in the UN List. I would also appreciate you discussed this in the talk page. Thanks. JCRB (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, as far as I can recall the Falklands self-government has already been discussed in some talk page (don't remember where exactly, but Justin might know I believe), and it was pointed out that the Falklands (same as the other UK overseas territories) enjoy a higher degree of self-government than e.g. Scotland for they have exclusive ownership of their natural resources, pursue their own immigration policies (subject to which are the UK residents too) etc. Being on that UN list is just that, being on some list, which does not interfere with their actual self-government.  Otherwise, the present lede is the result of consensus among the editors involved, and its change would require a new consensus that would seem not to have resulted from your quoted post in the talk page. Best, Apcbg (talk) 09:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

New articles
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Antarctica
Apologies for that - they seem to have been sucked in inadvertently. I'll fix it this afternoon sometime.

Merry Christmas to you, too! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That should do the trick. Sorry - I think what happened was that I plugged the wrong set of categories into AWB and then neglected to notice.  'S what comes of editing while half-asleep, I suppose... -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:58, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for fixing the problem, and have nice holidays! Apcbg (talk) 07:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

UNASUR maps
Thought you might be interested - the person who added the maps to those pages is the same person who tried to persuade us to use this map on the FI article in February. Pfainuk talk 23:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He's been a busy boy, check out Mercosur as well. Wee Curry Monster talk 23:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it. There was also one on Andean Community of Nations. Pfainuk talk 00:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for taking care. Apcbg (talk) 06:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Stub tags, again
Just to let you know - I've gotten the OK to start SouthShetlandIslands-geo-stub, which I would like to do tomorrow. is so tremendously oversized that it will be a great help, I think. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Well done! I have added also the Antarctic Treaty flag, as the islands are covered by the treaty.  Best, Apcbg (talk) 15:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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Arbcom complaint
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#WP:NPOV_and_WP:GAMES_in_.22Falkland_Islands.22_and_related_articlesAlex79818 (talk) 22:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Apcbg - I was just about to correct the outline map of the South Shetland Islands I made (File:SouthShetlandstubmap.png) when I found out that you'd already done so - thanks! Grutness...wha?  09:33, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * For nothing. And you are doing a great job on those Antarctic articles.  Apcbg (talk) 10:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Doing my best :) Cheers, Grutness...wha?  01:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Nothing important
But I just had to let you know that I absolutely love your Antarctic photos, they have made my day. --   Alyas Grey   : talk 20:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the good words. Best, Apcbg (talk) 10:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Question about the transliteration change for Macedonia
Hey there. I'm curious to know how can a consensus be made here on Wikipedia and specifically for this topic? The users that previously commented have negative opinion without bringing up good arguments for that. How many supporters are needed so that the change is approved? Macedonicus (talk) 18:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, consensus is usually achieved by arguments that convince an overwhelming majority of the editors involved. There is no numerical criterium for consensus but it is generally apparent if there is consensus or not.  I would expect further discussion as some of the participants are experienced editors with good record in transliteration issues.  Of course, consensus is seldom easy and sometimes impossible, and the proposed change is not a minor one either.  Anyway, this particular issue is on the agenda, won't disappear and I am quite certain it's a matter of time for the change to happen.  It would have been helpful if the Macedonian government was more explicit about its policy on transliteration, as are those of Russia, Ukraine or Bulgaria for instance. Apcbg (talk) 06:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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Bulgaria dispute
Hi Apcbg, we need your help at the Bulgaria dispute. If you feel that 681 and 1185 have to be included, please post on the dispute page. (Ximhua (talk) 13:32, 27 July 2012 (UTC))

Hi Apcbg,

I am Espor. Since I have noticed that you have been involved in the discussion whether 632/681 must be retained in the infobox of the Bulgaria page I would like to invite you to the renewed discussion on the same subject. These time we will win over the opponents. We cannot give up and betray the truth. Cheers.Espor (talk) 14:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Espor and Ximhua,


 * Unfortunately, that exchange is far from a meaningful discussion; it's rather the anti-681 party relying on the new status quo imposed by abuse of admin powers. If you look at Tourbillon's responses to my last two comments, then it's apparent that he not only fails to respond to the points made, but would seem to hardly understand his very own writings. Apcbg (talk) 15:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Dear Apcbg,

the Bulgaria page is accessible. Should we revert the infobox to the old consensus version. Tourbillon and co are extraordinary low educated editors. They run into logical contradictions all the time. If I was not at the office till late I could spend more time to expose their circular logic, however I am very busy, therefore we need more people to participate in the talk. Otherwise they will clame victory if none of us responds for a long period of time. Funny how Tourbillon does not know anything about ancient History either. How is this poorly educated individual even allowed to contribute in WP. His arguments are circular therefore absolute waste of time. But he is not admin, he is an editor with lots of free time who apparently edits here and there. If we unite we can win over over this crowd.Espor (talk) 09:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Espor, I am quite aware of the poor arguments and logical fallacies of the anti-681 faction; that wouldn't stop them from abusing admin powers, claim nonexistant 'consensus' ignoring normal WP practice. And they would be too happy to block their oponents for edit warring, disruptive editing etc.  However, WP is an open, long term project, which is a guarantee that this issue would not disappear even if their POV is enforced by power; such a flagrant deviation from WP standards is unsustainable in the long run and will be corrected.  As for now, the first step could be to demand the admin Canterbury Tail who protected the present version of the article be so kind to restore the stable, established consensus version existing for several years now and featuring the 681 date. Apcbg (talk) 13:06, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Bulgaria Dispute - Official Complaint
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Bulgaria - Info Box - Request for Comment
Hi Apcbg,

Please, comment on this page if you'd like 681 retained in the info box.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Request_board&pe=1&#Bulgaria_-_InfoBox

Ximhua (talk) 02:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Self-Determination
See Self-determination Gaba p is edit warring there now. Regards, Wee Curry Monster talk 08:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for letting me know, I've added it to my watchlist. Best, Apcbg (talk) 18:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Драги Laveol, ще ти бъда признателен ако го направиш, на място с лоша връзка съм понастоящем. Поздрави, Apcbg (talk) 18:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Готово е :) -- L a v e o l  T 20:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


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The Bulgaria article
Hi Apcbg,

I haven't seen you participating in our discussion on the info box for quite some time. Please take some time and help rebuking the false arguments of the other party since I am alone against very motivated and at the same time very uneducated group of two editors. You should not be discouraged by their stubborn behavior since that is their goal- they want us to get tired and retire from the discussion so that they claim victory and right to change the article as they are pleased.

Regards, Espor Espor (talk) 01:27, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Espor, your valuable contribution there is most appreciated indeed. As it is, there is no longer any sensible discussion, that ended with the FPAS compromise.  It serves no reasonable purpose to continue repeating past arguments, that's merely legitimizing Tourbillon's persistent nonsense. And they cannot claim any 'victory' either. Best, Apcbg (talk) 18:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Compromise versions
The version you reverted to the second time was entirely different from the one you first claimed to have been mine, and which obviously wasn't. But now you have made a blanket revert erasing multiple unrelated changes to the body text. If you want to restore the infobox version from 10 September, do it cleanly preserving the work of others. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I am well aware of that. However, if I do the second, then you may (rightly) point out that is not your actual version.  I did it the first time, restoring a version that was not exactly your original one but had its infobox appended to show not just the founding daters but also the end dates for the medieval states (the first such addition for one of those states was made by someone else and defended by you, then I added the end dates for the other state); that is inessential, I was happy with your original version indeed. Apcbg (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. The crucial point of that compromise was the explicit separation of medieval and modern states, and you conveniently left that out in your first alleged "restoring". I am struggling hard to find a way to interpret that as a good-faith mistake and not a deliberate act of sneaky manipulation. As for your second edit, you have now admitted that you knowingly and deliberately destroyed the work of others to make a WP:POINT; that is a deliberately disruptive edit under any interpretation I can think of. Now, clean that up – if your very next edit is not a self-revert of that mess, you're at WP:AE. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes I didn't realise that difference and separation – my apologies for that. And like I wrote, I was happy with your original version.  I am reverting my last edit. Apcbg (talk) 15:05, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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On EU neutrality
Hello Apcbg, I see you are still maintaining the EU is not neutral. Let me direct you too this BBC article which states:

The European Union and the US say they recognize the "de facto UK administration of the Falklands/Malvinas", but take no position regarding the issue of sovereignty, which they say must be settled by the UK and Argentina.

and this Mercopress article which states:

The EU ambassador explained that there is certain confusion regarding the Lisbon treaty since the fact that the Falklands/Malvinas are included is “merely descriptive”. Member states enumerate their overseas territories and in this case “it’s an article from previous treaties”.

and

This does not imply acknowledgement of UK sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas by EU members. This must be defined bilaterally between the UK and Argentina. The fact today is that the Islands are under British jurisdiction and this must be discussed with Argentina. It’s senseless to amend the Lisbon Treaty, otherwise Spain could not have signed with the UK the EU treaty because of the Gibraltar dispute, so definitively it does not make sense to pretend to amend the Lisbon treaty, which would also require the unanimity of all EU parliaments and the different procedures.

I really don't think this can be made any more clear. If you have any kind of source stating the the EU backs the UK in its claim then please present it and we can work with it. The US neutral position is even easier to source so I won't bother posting here. I hope this helps. Regards. Gaba p (talk) 14:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes I know those sources. My points on the US and EU dimension are made in the relevant article's talk page. Apcbg (talk) 16:48, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Apcbg,

your recent two reversions of properly sourced and thoroughly discussed content are not acceptable. You did not contribute a single character to a very long discussion that lasted about two weeks but nevertheless showed up in the end to revert everything based simply on "no consensus". Perhaps giving a read to WP:Don't revert due solely to "no consensus" would be appropriate. In the future I would appreciate that if you intent on making decisions (such as your two reversals) on thoroughly discussed edits made to the the article then at least take the time to participate in said discussion. Regards. Gaba (talk)  16:29, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Gaba, you really do need to reread WP:OWN.


 * Yes, it was much discussed. But that doesn't mean that the discussion reached any form of consensus.  You don't just get to announce that whatever you want has consensus, regardless of all the objections, which is effectively what you did here.  Edit warring is not an alternative to consensus building. Kahastok talk 16:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Kahastok: I absolutely never said that the discussion had reached a consensus. Care to present a diff of this accusation of yours? The discussion will never reach a full consensus because you and Wee Curry Monster (an apparently Apcbg also, even though he did not contribute anything to it) are blocking it. Simples.
 * I waited for a valid objection or a much needed source (which I asked you and Wee Curry Monster for about 6 times) for days and neither you nor Wee Curry Monster presented either. You two are, simply put, filibustering:


 * So, you revert the person, and they revert you too, with edit summaries containing, "There's no consensus! Stop edit-warring, I declare! See the talkpage!"


 * Constant accusations of "edit-warring" and "no consensus". Sounds familiar? Regards. Gaba  (talk)  17:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * And if I had been writing massive amounts of text on the talk page, you might have a point. You have been writing massive amounts of text on the talk page.  Andrés has been writing massive amounts of text on the talk page.  In fact, I've been asking you both to write less.  That your accusation is baseless will be obvious to anyone who so much as glances at the talk page.  Your behaviour - the whole waited for a valid objection crap (you were given them repeatedly, you just pretended they didn't exist) - smacks far more of WP:FILIBUSTERS than anything that I, Curry Monster or Apcbg have done.


 * Either you haven't read WP:FILIBUSTERS (in which case you might find it illuminating - you will be surprised at how wrong you're getting it). Or you are cherry-picking parts of it in attempt to suggest that, because you started edit warring, one of the most basic rules on Wikipedia - the requirement that you get consensus for your edits - doesn't apply to you.


 * Nothing in WP:FILIBUSTERS prevents me or anyone else from pointing out that you do not have consensus for the edit that you are trying to force into the article. Nothing in WP:FILIBUSTERS says that edit warring can trump consensus-building as a means of editing articles. Kahastok talk 19:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry Jahastok but the fact that your comments pretty much limited themselves to "I agree with Wee Curry Monster" instead of actual content discussions (what you call "massive amounts of text") does not excuse your filibustering.
 * I see you presented no diff for your accusation of me claiming I had consensus. Would you say your comment above contained an "untrue statement"? Would you say that you "lied"?
 * I find it amusing how you accuse me of edit-warring when all I did was introduce a thoroughly discussed edit into the article once but apparently don't believe Apcbg edit-warred after reverting twice with no reason other than "no consensus". Let me be blunt: Kahastok, do you believe Apcbg edit warred?
 * In any case, since you will just keep blocking edits with no valid reasons other that WP:IDONTLIKEIT I've asked another editor to open an RfC. You have dragged this issue to the point of being ridiculous. Regards. Gaba  (talk)  21:28, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Apcbg, I'd appreciate if you could expand on this comment you made bearing in mind my followup question.

Also please note that I've opened a new section in the talk page of that article about your rv of my edit to the timeline of de facto control, so I'll await your comments there too. Thanks. Gaba (talk)  16:28, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Dear Widefox, while my username is not the same as the actual name (full or abbreviated) of any such organization, it could be changed if its similarity to that recent URL address is deemed problematic. As for my particular edits and authored articles, anyone is free to edit them in compliance with normal WP principles and guidelines – or, indeed, request their deletion if they are not up to established WP standards.  I believe that WP articles ought to be judged based on their merits rather than on their contributors. Best, Apcbg (talk) 11:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Irrespective of an official initialism, it's hard to persuade others that its not an initialism of "Antartic Place-names Commission" .bg, or that Apcgb differs from apcbg.org. I have no reason to doubt it is your personal account not a group one WP:ISU. I agree about anyone can edit, and merit, but others have raised your (until-now undisclosed) COI too. You didn't mention your COI ...the "Escape, disclosure or management" may aid deciding to disclose it per "full disclosure of the connection" WP:NOPR. Widefox ; talk 13:22, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Both my personal identity and affiliation with the organization in question are confirmed in section Copyright above. Hope that helps. Apcbg (talk) 14:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! So I guess you have no problem putting that on your userpage. In any case I won't bother you more, cheers Widefox ; talk 16:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Dear Jonathunder, many thanks for your gentlemanly conduct. As a matter of fact my interest and involvement in this case is not so much due to some insistence on using imperial units, but rather to my concern over the effort to impose metric units by force. Incidentally, my background is strictly metric but that is quite irrelevant from Wikipedia point of view, and neutrality furthermore dictates that the arguments of those in favour of using a mixed approach are duly respected too. That said, I am not excessively optimistic about the correct outcome of the present discussion, given the record of torrid past discussions on the same topic. Apcbg (talk) 17:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Falklands Article consensus
Then do I just wait til it spontaneously happens? Why is my explanation not enough? Will you specify? What do you suggest?

Pcbyed (talk) 12:58, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Your explanation is not enough because it's been rejected by several other editors whose arguments you have failed to address convincingly if at all. Consensus for a particular change may or may not happen, with the established version existing before the proposed change staying in place in the latter case — like this time. Apcbg (talk) 14:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your comments at WP:AN. I will try and prove the community's confidence in me by editing in a productive manner and avoid entering into conflict with other editors as in the past. You may be interested to note I have just launched the article Esteban Mestivier as I promised and I would welcome your input if you have a moment. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:52, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well done! Another notable Frenchman in the Falklands history would be Nicolas Pierre Duclos-Guyot, a prominent albeit somewhat neglected French mariner (he has no article even in French Wikipedia!).  Apart from his role in the establishment of Port Saint Louis, he was the captain of Bougainville’s flagship in the first French circumnavigation voyage, having also sailed before that (probably as supercargo) on the Spanish vessel León under Captain Gregorio Jerez during the second sighting of South Georgia in 1756. Apcbg (talk) 10:46, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, will have a look at that. My next project was going to be Lt. Smith, Lt. Tyssen and Lt. Lowcay.  Wee Curry Monster talk 12:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * Dear Wee, your article is exemplary, congratulations!


 * I noted a trace of inconsistency in the paragraph on Pinedo's preparations for a possible resistance to the British takeover: “A large number of his crew were British mercenaries who were unwilling to fight their own countrymen ... Pinedo also prepared the ship and spoke to the crew who indicated their willingness to fight.” Apparently this originates to Destéfani's book (p. 90) which says “... the majority of his crew were Englishmen, with only a few Argentines. ... He talked to all of them, the British said that they would carry out their duty ... but refused to fight.” and then in the very next sentence, “... the 80-men crew said they would do what they were told.”  Perhaps this point could be streamlined somehow?


 * By the way, the name “William Brown” caught my eye; the article on Admiral Brown is indeed titled “William Brown (admiral),” and I wonder if it shouldn't rather be “Guillermo Brown (admiral)” as he is probably better known? Best, Apcbg (talk) 17:16, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The comment about mercenaries I think is actually from Escude, it is however contradicted by Destefani's account and Elliot's witness statement at Pinedo's trial. I will do some copy editing over the weekend to address this.  Regards, Wee Curry Monster talk

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Bringing this to your attention, seems to be some really petty BS going on. WCM email 15:49, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

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Да се знае
Здравейте приятели,

Искам да споделя с вас списък с редактори в уикипедия които организирано или не, с малки и големи стъпки се опитват да принизят българската история, като крайната цел е да докаже че видете ли няма връзка между Първото и Второто Българско царство, а ако това не може то поне да се принизят постиженията на тези царства и да се преувеличат несгодите им. Ако имате възможност наглеждайте тези потребители, те са тук постоянно и са непрекъснато активни:


 * Cplakidas – действа навсякъде и се опитва да принизи всичко Българско виж страницата Rus Invasion of Bulgaria и Byzantine Bulgarian Wars 970-1018
 * Dr.K – същия като Cplakidas, обикновенно действат заедно
 * Tourbillon – истински българомразец, съботира всичко Българско иска да премахне връзката между днешна България и старите царства, кирилицата не е Бългрска и прочее. Само вижте talk на страницата на България.
 * Future Perfect at Sunrise – същия като тourbillon
 * Chipmunkdavis – същия като тourbillon
 * Jingiby – същия като тourbillon

Разпрострянявайте този списък, за да се знаят тези. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoomzoom34 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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First Bulgarian Empire Map
As you're an expert in Bulgarian history, I'd like to invite you for an opinion on the map of the First Bulgarian Empire. The map that has been there for years is being replaced with a version that claims that Bulgaria's northern border was in practice the Danube with inconsistent control north of the Danube without any supporting evidence. Would you kindly add your opinion on the matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeBoko (talk • contribs) 14:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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Srebŭrna/Srebarna/Sreburna Glacier
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One your Antarctica articles is on the Srebŭrna/Sreburna/Srebarna Glacier. "Srebŭrna" is the current spelling in the USGS gazetteer, but I am wondering: is that the proper way to spell it?

Thanks! --Lemnaminor (talk) 23:20, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear Lemnaminor, no 'Srebŭrna' is not the proper way. That's the transliterated form of Bulgarian 'Сребърна' according to the old transliteration system used by USBGN until 2013. Now the system adopted for official US use is the official Bulgarian system, so the correct form would be 'Srebarna.' Best, Apcbg (talk) 10:05, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * That is good to know! I ran into quite a few issues like these with place names in other languages in the USGS gazetteer. I might get back to you with some more Bulgarian spelling questions. Thanks again, Lemnaminor (talk) 11:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. Apcbg (talk) 13:51, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Bulgaria - Infobox
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Thank you. ESND (talk), 30 March 2016 —Preceding undated comment added 10:51, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * My edit was explained in the article's talk page discussion, which is the right place for relevant comments. Rather than edit warring, please remove your contribution unless agreed on that talk page. Apcbg (talk) 11:22, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Agree, I have removed my edit and posted a comment in the article's talk page. Thank you - ESND (talk) 13:40, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I appreciate your constructive attitude indeed. Best, Apcbg (talk) 14:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

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 * No I don't. Apcbg (talk) 18:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, just seemed an odd thing to link to.Slatersteven (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * I am not sure they add anything our current maps do not, maybe you should explain what they add on the articles talk page so others can chime in.Slatersteven (talk) 19:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Even the 1:643000 Map has numerous informative details that the Wiki Falklands map lacks, s.a. names of islands, sea points and coves, elevation points, remote houses/huts etc. (The latter map might have some inaccuracies too, like the misplaced New Island settlement.) Needless to say, the large scale 1:50000 topographic map adds still further details. Apcbg (talk) 20:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Sofia Peak
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Copernix.io?
Hey, what's the deal with adding Copernix.io as an external link to tons of articles? It's a search engine map derived from Wikipedia and doesn't appear to be much different than any other satellite map site. Is there something here about its utility that I'm missing? &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 07:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


 * It's more than a general link to some satellite map site. The added links produce, with a single click and no extra work on behalf of the user, scaled satellite images of the particular geographical features. This is an added value to the relevant articles. I am not aware if we could have the same with e.g. Google Earth, but in any case it is convenient to have such links (using Copernix.io or another facility) that require no searching and no user knowledge of the particular feature's dimension. Best, Apcbg (talk) 07:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Category:Ocean Fisheries – Burgas Co
I dont understand this category you have created. It needs a parent category.Rathfelder (talk) 13:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That category is about articles related to the company Ocean Fisheries – Burgas Co (an article on the company itself would belong there, too); the relevant parent category should be Category:Defunct companies of Bulgaria I believe. Best, Apcbg (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

It's better to create the article before the category.Rathfelder (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Apcbg (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Language and IPA
Hi. Please see my edits at Goritsa Rocks, Varna Peninsula, Vidin Heights, Glarus Island and Avitohol Point and consider changing other lead sections if you can, as that is how we normally list foreign names and pronunciations. Thank you! 〜 イヴァンスクルージ九十八 ［IvanScrooge98］ （ 会話 ） 10:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Using IPA is okay. However, per Naming conventions (Cyrillic) the official Streamlined System is preferred for the Romanization of Bulgarian, transliterating Bulgarian ъ as Roman a not ǎ. You might wish to fix the incorrect Romanization forms you have recently created in several articles. Best, Apcbg (talk) 12:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Those are not incorrect, as 'preferred' does not mean 'compulsory'. However, even though I disagree with this convention, I will try to stick to it. Anyway, Help:IPA/Bulgarian transcribes both у and о as in unstressed position. 〜 イヴァンスクルージ九十八 ［IvanScrooge98］  （ 会話 ） 13:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, fine. Best, Apcbg (talk) 09:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, one last thing if you don’t mind. I assume you are a native speaker, so I wondered whether you could check the voicing and devoicing of syllable-final consonants. I know they are always devoiced word-finally, but judging from what occurs word-internally, I don’t know if a voiced consonant at the beginning of a word also makes a preceding word's final voiced (e.g. is the -в at Boatin Island or does it re-voice to ?). Thank you. 〜 イヴァンスクルージ九十八 ［IvanScrooge98］ （ 会話 ） 10:30, 27 October 2019 (UTC) Nevermind, found out it works exactly like that. 〜 イヴァンスクルージ九十八 ［IvanScrooge98］ （ 会話 ） 10:50, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, quite so I believe. Best, Apcbg (talk) 17:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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thanks! and excuse me pls!?
thankyou 4 correcting my mistake in there! the thing is i've noted that error somewhere else, where there were not any textual mentions of an "island"! =)

With gratitude, --Akim Dubrow (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Best, Apcbg (talk) 11:50, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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Can you please reply to the talk page on Falklands War about the conflict length. You are being unclear as to why the infobox cannot have it. I am asking you directly for clarity and I'm trying to avoid edit-warring. 2601:85:C101:BA30:2001:115C:431D:A5C6 (talk) 19:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The description "a 10-week undeclared war" and the infobox entry "Date: 2 April – 14 June 1982" suffice I reckon. Apcbg (talk) 20:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there,

Is it okay if I add the Bulgarian Wikipedians category to your user page?

Regards,

SeriousCherno — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeriousCherno (talk • contribs) 21:47, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * No objection. Best, Apcbg (talk) 15:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you --SeriousCherno (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

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Antarctic REMA Explorer
I saw you made changes to Sjögren Glacier, correcting elevations, and referencing Reference Elevation Model of Antarctica. I am sure the changes are correct, but when I click on the link I just see a map of Antarctica. If I try to search for a feature on the map, e.g. Lobosh Peak, it is not found. If I enter coordinates (which are often quite inaccurate), I get taken to an unlabelled point on the map. What am I missing? Aymatth2 (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * To measure elevations of Antarctic features by means of the high spatial resolution Antarctic REMA Explorer, one enters coordinates, then pinpoints the nearby precise location of the highest point of the measured feature by opening ‘Contour on Antarctic Elevation’ (a variety of 500 m to 1 m contour options available; coordinates are accurate enough for the purpose of determining the nearest summit point), and eventually clicks ‘Identify’ to get the relevant REMA orthometric height.


 * For instance, in the case of Seydol Crag one enters coordinates -64.1175, -59.305833, gets a point that is just several dozen metres distant from the summit point of Seydol Crag at -64.11754, -59.3052, which latter point is then identified by REMA as 1069.59 m high.


 * Otherwise, the REMA updated elevations of this and other Antarctic features could be sourced to the Bulgarian Antarctic Gazetteer.


 * You mention Lobosh Peak yet that name was updated back in 2021 to Lobosh Buttress, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lobosh_Buttress&oldid=1053161542. This means you have merged an older version of the article, and merging old instead of latest versions amounts to removal of content without due comment and discussion I reckon. That has recently been done to a number of Antarctic articles. Apcbg (talk) 05:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I will try to create a templated note explaining how the elevation is derived. It is, sort of, original research, in the sense that a fairly definitive source (SCAR) gives a different elevation and no source explicitly gives this elevation, but I think that is acceptable in cases like these. It will only work with features where we have reasonably accurate coordinates. Many of the sources are only accurate to degree and minute, giving very inaccurate positions. See for example this image, or this image which are annotated with coordinates from Wikipedia, mostly originating from the USGS.
 * For names, I think we should go with SCAR. It gives Lobosh Peak, and does not return any result for Lobosh Buttress. Sometimes there is a considerable delay between the time when one country proposes a name change and when other authorities accept (or reject) that name change. The former name may have been used in many maps, papers and other publications, so the impact of the proposed change must be considered. Sometimes there is no consensus. For the English wiki, SCAR is authoritative enough. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * An attempted write.up:

To obtain the elevation of a feature from the Antarctic REMA Explorer,
 * Copy the coordinates, paste into the box that says "Find address or place", then press enter
 * Hover over the icons at the left of the screen
 * Find "Hillshade" and click on that
 * Find "Contour" and click on that
 * In the "Contour properties" box, select Contour Interval = 1m
 * Copy the coordinates from the "Location" box (e.g. Y:-64.218611 X:-59.276389) and paste into the search box.
 * Adjust the Y and X values until the "Location" box is at the high point of the feature
 * Click on the "Identify" icon on the left bar to view a rotating "please wait" symbol
 * Click on the "Measure" icon on the left bar to get the message "Elevation Profile not available for the current service"
 * What am I doing wrong?


 * Try this:
 * • For better view, set the Shading Factor at 0.0
 * • Copy the coordinates, paste into the box that says "Find address or place", then press enter
 * • Hover over the icons at the left of the screen
 * • Find "Hillshade on Antarctic Elevation" and click on that
 * • Find "Contour on Antarctic Elevation" and click on that
 * • In the "Contour properties" box, select Contour Interval = 1 m
 * • Click on "Identify" on the left bar
 * • Click on the high point of the feature as suggested by the contours (click again if necessary) to get a red dot on that point and the emergence of an "Identify" box containing: Current Scene ID; Source; Imagery Date; Estimated accuracy; Pixel Size; Aspect; Slope; Orthometric height; and Ellipsoidal height.


 * It’s the Orthometric height you want. The coordinates of the red dot, if you need them, appear at the screen bottom.


 * By the way, for new measurements one may use the newer Version 2 of REMA released in 2022. Apcbg (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

So I think this will work:

... A rocky, mostly ice-free peak rising to 1275 m



Any problems with the wording? Aymatth2 (talk) 00:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The wording is now okay I believe. Apcbg (talk) 06:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have changed Sjögren Glacier to use that style as an example. But on second thoughts I am not really comfortable with Using Antarctic REMA Explorer. See MOS:DONTHIDE. An article should be purely a discussion of the topic and should not include information to editors on how to research, even if it is hidden in the list of sources at the back. I have to think more about this. Aymatth2 (talk) 08:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC) tell
 * I have tweaked the wording so it tells a reader (rather then an editor) how to use the tool to see information about the feature. I think that works. If a reader wants to check REMA explorer to see if it says what the article says, this tells them how to do it. Aymatth2 (talk) 09:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Or you may give these instructions just once, in a brief article on REMA, and then link to it whenever necessary. Apcbg (talk) 09:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I started an article for Reference Elevation Model of Antarctica, but the instructions do not really belong there. I think Using Antarctic REMA Explorer works with the shift of emphasis to reader rather than editor. It would be better if we could pass the coordinates and viewing preferences to REMA Explorer as parameters, so the reader would be taken straight to the contour map, but that does not seem to be an option. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, and for starting the REMA article; it seems appropriate to have one, indeed. Best, Apcbg (talk) 18:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)