User talk:Apostlepain

October 2022
Hello, I'm MrOllie. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Steam injection (oil industry) have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 21:58, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi It is not advertising at all. It is factual, and published in American Oil and Gas Reporter, July 2021. How can I get it included? virginia (talk) 21:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Apostlepain. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Steam injection (oil industry), gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Apostlepain. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. MrOllie (talk) 00:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I am not a paid advocate or employer or client. I was irritated at the statement that on the page that there have been no successful downhole steam applications when I am aware of a company that is doing this successfully. You did not like the American Oil and Gas reference I included previously so I located a scholarly article documenting a successful trial that I thought you would find deem more credible. You had noted the other source as "advertising-promotion" oriented.
 * this data is true and scholarly and the wikipedia page is misleading without the information. virginia (talk) 00:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * An article co-written by an employee is not really any better. We would need some independent sourcing, like a newspaper or similar. MrOllie (talk) 00:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)