User talk:Applodion/Archive 2

Editor of the Week
User:MX submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * Although Applodion has only been on Wikipedia for less than 2 years, fantastic work has been done to create articles about Chinese and Japanese history. Some of the articles are Zhou–Chu War, Dapeng (state), Zhoulai, Rokugō rebellion, Warlord Rebellion in northeastern Shandong, War of Qi's succession, and Han–Liu War. These were are all created from scratch. Applodion has also expanded this stub of Rebellion of the Three Guards and added close to 60 citations and has written numerous articles about the Syrian Civil War and promoted all of this content to the Main Page at DYK. Applodion's work with Chinese military history articles is among my favorite series at DYK. I am happy to dedicate a week to celebrate Applodion's work!

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Thanks again for your efforts! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   18:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Red Spears' uprising in Shandong (1928–1929)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

SOHR (again)
Someone is going after SOHR here Talk:Turkish military intervention in Afrin accusing it of being pro-pkk. EkoGraf (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you! Applodion (talk) 10:12, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I second . Just saw that you also got the "Editor of the Week" award. That's really well deserved! -Zanhe (talk) 00:23, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words! Applodion (talk) 09:15, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Katsurayama
Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

GS/SCW&ISIL#1RR
Hello Applodion. I wonder why some articles related to Syrian Civil War are placed under this restriction, while some are not? According to this page, it is about all articles related to the Civil War. For example, why this article, which was created by 2A1ZA, is not under this restriction, despite it is related to the Civil War? Wouldn't it be better, considering its revision history? Are average editors allowed to place the pages under the GS/SCW&ISIL#1RR? Or only admins can do this? Best regards. 50.98.184.25 (talk) 10:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if Dawronoye falls under the civil war/ISIL scope, since it is an ideology that existed before the conflict and is only vaguely related to it (through the Syriac Military Council). Its edit history does not automatically mean that it should be placed under the restriction, since edit wars happen quite often on many pages on Wikipedia - in fact the edit war on Dawronoye is harmless compared to some other stuff I have witnessed. Nevertheless, your points are valid, though I fear I cannot answer the question on how a page is placed under GS/SCW&ISIL#1RR - I think it is best you ask an administrator about this (for example NeilN). Applodion (talk) 14:56, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * An editor, preferably an admin to avoid disputes, has to add the templates to the article. This is a manual process so some articles get overlooked. Others are only very loosely related to the topic under general sanctions. --Neil N  talk to me 15:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Haukur Hilmarsson
Hi, Applodion. According to the International Freedom Battalion, his brigade, he was a commander of the RUIS a foreign unit. Mikelelgediento (talk) 05:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have not found a source confirming him to be a "commander"; the sources only called him "comrade". In case you can provide a source for him being a leader of RUIS and not just a normal fighter, we can list him as commander. Applodion (talk) 09:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, Applodion. This is Mikel again. Here I have sources that claim that Haukur was commander of RUIS/IFB.
 * 


 * and
 * --Mikelelgediento (talk) 08:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, that confirms him as commander, though I honestly do not think RUIS is noteworthy enough for him to appear in the Turkish military operation in Afrin infobox. Applodion (talk) 22:57, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the same about that, RUIS is a little brigade but they are involved into IFB which have a notable participation in the conflict and many members killed fighting like the MLKP and TIKKO.
 * --Mikelelgediento (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * --Mikelelgediento (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

David Feldman (lawyer)
Hi Applodion! I chanced upon your page and noticed that you're known for contributing quality edits. I'm new to this and I've been trying to expand the David Feldman page. Do you think you could have a look and advise me on how I could improve it? Many thanks!

Arjun Dhar (talk) 02:30, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Wu Shuqing
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Yellow Sand Society
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DYK for Yellow Sand Society
Alex Shih (talk) 06:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Huh?
 * ... also known as Yellow Way Society (Chinese: 黃色路會; Wade–Giles: Huang Tao Hui), ...
 * Please go back and check that source, as these Chinese characters make no sense. They read "Yellow Road Society" with 'yellow' needlessly elaborated and should be just '黃' instead of '黃色', so I have to doubt its correctness. Then you have a phonetic 'Tao' which in no way matches '路' (lù).  I _have_ to think it is really '道' (pinyin: dào). As it is, this looks like somebody asked Google Translate what the characters would be for "Yellow Way Society"!  Oh look, it says "黄色路社会". Shenme (talk) 03:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have corrected that mistake, thank you for pointing it out! Applodion (talk) 16:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Wagner Group
Hi, according to your criteria, when Academi (formerly known as Blackwater) are involved in a conflict, we must add U.S.A. to the belligerents, as Academi operates under U.S.A. Army command. It's exactly the same situation. Regards,--HC PUNX KID 21:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * When Academi does operate under US command, I would mark them just like the Wagner Group. The point stands. When mercs fight under the command of a national army, they are for that time de facto part of that country's military. Applodion (talk) 22:06, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * So, your point is that Wagner opperates under Russia command but Academi doesnt operates under US command or what? Any proof to sustain that claims, please?. And also, "When mercs fight under the command of a national army, they are for that time de facto part of that country's military.". Says who? Any source to back that, or it's just a personal opinion?.--HC PUNX KID 09:30, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No, my point was not that "Academi doesnt operates under US command" because Academi usually serves under US command - and in those cases, I would list Academi as part of the US forces. In regard to " de facto part of that country's military ": It is a simple fact or are you trying to suggest that when Academi, the Wagner Group or any other merc force that is commanded and paid by a country's military is a completely separate organization during that time? That does not make any sense. The militias which fight for the Syrian government are also part of the loyalist forces, despite many of them not being officially part of the Syrian military. Of course one should not list Academi as U.S. Army unit, but it would be correct to list them as part of the "U.S. forces". I would list a merc unit only as completely separate organization when they do not operate under the command of any national government at the time - For example, when they have gone rogue or work for independent buisnesses. Applodion (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

DYK for War in Ningxia (1934)
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Force Publique
Hi Applodion, I wonder what's the best approach to handle the segment "Under Leopold II the Force Publique, an exceptionally brutal army of African mercenaries and locally-recruited tribal militias, was responsible for maintaining order in the Congo Free State". The Force Publique was indeed brutal, but I feel the reference used is very general literature, and I feel this statement is also just a very compact summary in a detailed wiki article. Was the Force Publique brutal: yes. But exceptionally is a weird choice of words it seems like (and also, many brutal armies were active in Africa at that time, not really relevant which was the worst imo), also, it doesn't really add much to the paragraph, if there were atrocities like that, they were brutal, I don't know if it has to be summarized like that, the text is pretty self explanatory. Maybe it is best to stick to neutral words and not compare the brutality to other colonizing armies, but for now, if we keep the statement, it should be used as the author originally intended it, at least, that's how I feel. Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum (talk) 13:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thats why I put the quatation marks there - Osterhammel said it that way in the German version of the book (namely: "ungewöhnlich brutale afrikanische Söldnerarmee", best translated as "exceptionally brutal African mercenary army"), and it was translated accordingly. It is an exact quotation, see the English book and the German one. Applodion (talk) 13:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, considering that a renown historian described it that way, it seems fitting to use that quote. After all, as you said, numerous historians said that the Force Publique extremely brutal, even compared to other colonial armies. The quote seems to be a good summarization of a widely agreed opinion among experts on the topic. Applodion (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

RE: Nechaev
Yes, I was actually planning on doing an article on him myself and started working on translating the Russian Wikipedia article on him. So I can help, although I do not have any books that talk about him. Romanov loyalist (talk) 18:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, there is an image of him here but I do not know about the copyright, I would assume judging by how old it is, that it is in the public domain: Romanov loyalist (talk) 18:48, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help! Sadly, there is no information provided on when and by whom that image was taken - We cannot be sure that it is copyright-free. If we have to use a copryight-protected image of him, I have found a good one, namely the one taken during this Soviet propaganda film. Applodion (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Konstantin Petrovich Nechaev
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Battle of Darzab
There should be no links to disambiguation pages, so now that you made Battle of Darzab a dab page, would you please follow up and fix all the incoming links? (DisamAssist, Dabfix and Dabsolver are helpful.) Thanks. — Gorthian (talk) 02:11, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course. Thank you for notifying me. Applodion (talk) 07:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Any idea on where I can find copyright free material concerning YPG and Syrian Civil War?
I found several images from domains of free website, although apparently they were copyrighted. Which source can I look for for the copyright free images concerning YPG and Syrian Civil War? Marjdabi (talk) 18:03, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Good sources for rebel groups are the Qasioun News Agency (all copyright-free). Voice of America (all that is stated to have been produced by a VOA reporter, and not by third parties, is copryight-free) has a lot of videos and images about the YPG (see here or here), and finally the unofficial Flickr propaganda channel of the YPG/YPJ, Kurdishstruggle, has a lot of free images about the YPG. By the way, this is the reason why we have so many "nice guys"-images of the YPG here on Wikipedia - They release their propaganda into Creative Commons, but their enemies (for example Turkish-backed FSA groups) do not. You can also find a bit of copyright-free stuff on Archive.org, mostly propaganda by Leftist groups that fight with the PKK and YPG/YPJ. Applodion (talk) 20:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for 2014 retreat from Western Bahr el Ghazal
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Government of the Republic of China in Wuhan
Hey, do you think it would be useful/worthwhile to write an individual standalone article on this subject? Or should the information simply be merged to Nationalist government, similar to how it is being done on the Chinese Wikipedia? I prefer the former because I don't have that many English sources to write about the Wuhan faction, but I think either way is fine; I'll turn the link blue if you have some materials on the subject. Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 22:56, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I can find enough stuff for an article about them - If you could give me a few days, I would write one from scratch, in case that is ok for you. Applodion (talk) 07:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks, I'll contribute as well. Alex Shih (talk) 07:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've started the page. That's all I have for now, I'll probably expand more later. Cheers! Alex Shih (talk) 05:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mufti Nemat
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Northern Expedition image
I know Wikipedia is 'not censored', but I find the image you added to the Northern Expedition article somewhat too shocking. It strikes me as WP:GRATUITOUS violence, and is only tangentially related to the topic of the article...perhaps it is suited to Shanghai massacre, but I question the value of displaying such a picture in the manner you've done so. RGloucester — ☎ 16:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, though my intention in this case was to convey the brutality of all groups involved in this conflict. Public beheadings were actually fairly common, with the warlords mass killing labor union leaders and purported spies, while the Nationalists did the same thing after they broke with the CCP - Not to mention what happened in rural areas, where soldiers and peasants would viciously massacre each other. We can however remove it. Perhaps it would be a good idea to add a section about war crimes to the article in the future. Applodion (talk) 16:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, believe me, I understand your intent. I agree that such a section is worthwhile, along with a link to the Commons category, where people can find such images. I simply want to avoid 'shock value', if you understand what I mean. RGloucester  — ☎ 16:45, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. I understand your intention, and after thinking about it, have to agree. I have already removed the image. Applodion (talk) 16:47, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Lioma
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Applodion (talk) 17:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Conquest Brigade
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Conquest Brigade
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Applodion (talk) 18:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

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Qing Dynasty
Hi, Applodion. I'm sure you have a source you can cite for your recent edit to this article. I reverted your edit because you cited no sources, so feel free to make your edit again, citing a reliable source.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have added the source. Applodion (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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Afrin
Can you please post the links to the consensus discussions you mentioned in your revert? It would help in the future if you could revert only specific content, you've also undone the organization into sections by blanket reverting and that isn't an improvement. I should also remind you that accusing other editors of POV editing without evidence isn't acceptable. Seraphim System ( talk ) 14:36, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You are right that I was too aggressive and that the mass revert was not the best solution; I will look over your changes again tomorrow. My assumption that your edits were POV was based on the fact that you were repeatedly involved in editing on the same article in the past that was considered POV by several authors, as well as the content of your edits: You deleted infos sourced to SOHR, VOA, and The Independent that were critical of Turkey, with problematic reasoning. For example "why is this significant enough to include?" for accusations about the use of napalm during the operation. Considering that a major news site like VOA reported on this, it is hard to think that it is not "significant enough". I do think the article is currently biased against Turkey, but that bias should not be the reason for removing sourced information. Instead, more information should be added about possible war crimes by pro-YPG forces, like bombings and murdering civilians who cooperate with the pro-Turkish forces. I have wanted to expand the article in this regard for some time, but have not yet found the energy to do so. Anyway, I think that we should discuss the edits you made in detail. Thus, I will revert my own mass revert, and ask you to explain the reasoning for the changes (for example why you think that the napalm accusations should not be mentioned) in detail on the article's talk page. Perhaps then I can understand your reasoning better, and we can come to a better solution. I also want to repeat that I was too aggressive, and want to take back my accusation of POV editing against you. Applodion (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The claims about napalm were never independently verified. If there haven't been any further developments, it is routine to go back and trim some of the excessive detail. Reports that were never independently verified are a good candidate to be trimmed as non-essential. And I didn't delete information sourced to SOHR. I moved the content about the water plants to 4th paragraph in an effort to organize the many one sentence paragraphs coherently. I did remove a quote from the founder of SOHR that FSA's acts were a war crime worse then ISIS' (in his opinion) and that ISIS didn't mutilate bodies "like this". I don't think we need to include a quote comparing ISIS mutilations to FSA mutilations. He's also not an expert source for international law. I'm not sure why this quote was selected, but I think its one of clearest candidates for removal from a very long section (most of which I kept intact because I thought it was valuable). I didn't remove anything because I thought it was "biased against Turkey" and I left most of the content untouched. I reshuffled some of it in an effort to improve the readability and make the content more accessible. If you think I removed something essential, please let me know what specifically and we can discuss it.  Seraphim System  ( talk ) 00:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response; I now realise that I was quite tired when I read your changes, and did not read them correctly. I am again sorry for my behavior. I actually agree with most of your changes. I do however think that shelling a hospital (this change) is a war crime, regardless of who reports it. The case could be made that SOHR is not reliable (though previous discussions agreed that it is at least semi-reliable), but their reporting on Afrin was quite pro-SDF, so I think when they claim that the YPG shelled that hospital, it is probably based on actual reports from the area. On the other side, I think your argument about the napalm (and the other issues) is convincing. Applodion (talk) 20:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, there are a number of factors that are considered when making the determination whether or not an act is a war crime. This source doesn't address any of those - the content I removed says due to shelling by Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in response to Turkish artillery shelling which implies it was not a war crime, but the SDF acting in self-defense. For a section about international law, it would be better to stick to what the reliable sources actually say. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 20:24, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Xia Chao
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DYK for Juma Butabika
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Nemat (militant)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Deir ez-Zor campaign (September 2017–present)
Why did you cancel my edit? The category is called "commanders and leaders." I added an extremely important person who is directly related to the commanders of the operation/ leadership of SDF, and her mention is most often found in reliable sources about this operation. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deir_ez-Zor_campaign_(September_2017%E2%80%93present)&oldid=872510367 In the next list a large number of so-called "ISIS commanders" who were not known to anyone in the world before the mention of their death, and the more so nobody will ever be interested in after. If you think that the name is in the wrong category, please add to the correct one, since this is a really important name - the only one from all the neighbors that is really associated with whole this operation rather than were mentioned one time somewhere in the "authoritative" media almost accidental and not were mentioned anywhere else more. SDF page contains mentions of spokespersons in "leaders" category, and it seems that this nobody confuses. Dalany Mokus (talk) 16:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I do not dispute that Lailawa al-Abdullah is of importance, but I do believe that she does not belong into the infobox. The "commanders and leaders" section of the infobox is for people who actually command troops, and a spokesperson usually does not do that. Even though you are right that the ISIL commanders are of less political importance, they were actually involved in combat and commanded troops (hence they died), while Lailawa does not appear to do that. You can add her elsewhere in the article or even write an article about her (provided that you find enough reliable sources for that), but she does not belong into this infobox section. By the way, the fates and lifes of ISIL commanders are of interest to many experts, some of whom gather information about them to prevent future radicalization and insurgencies. Applodion (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, then I ask you to remove from the article about the Raqqa campaign (or ask the persons responsible for the article) the Talal Silo name to observe the equivalence of such approaches. He is also was only spokeperson and never was a "commander" for this particular operation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Raqqa_(2017) Yes, I saw that in the "backuped" English-language article from ANHA he is mentioned as a “commander”, but this is only a translation error, because in the original Arabic-language article (the copy of it can be seen in the ANF article) he is mentioned only as the “official spokesman”: https://anfarabic.com/akhr-l-khbr/qsd-t-ln-lm-rk-lkbr-lthryr-lrq-36263 He also has no special significance for this military operation, since its official spokeswoman has always been Jihan Sheykh Ahmed. Also, unfortunately, I do not have the opportunity to regularly edit English-language articles, because I do not know English properly and it is difficult for me to write texts. Dalany Mokus (talk) 10:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you saw that I already argued exactly for that on the talk page :-) Applodion (talk) 14:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

pay more attention to the behavior of DPPTPP
I suggest that you pay more attention to the behavior of DPPTPP. He mixes abnormal edits in normal editing, like deleting

DYK nomination
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Peace Dove Christmas
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I have undone your cut-and-paste page move
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