User talk:Arch-i-tec-sure

December 2018
Hello. Your recent edit to List of architects appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you.  General Ization Talk  04:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * They have articles, and should. You might want to be a little more patient. Arch-i-tec-sure (talk) 04:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * If you want more time, the articles can be moved to the Draft namespace. As it is, these biographical articles are currently in mainspace, and that means they must meet all the requirements of our policies on biography of living people, including citation of reliable, independent sources that establish the subjects' notability.  The single source currently at either of these articles only says that they were named in a lawsuit, and is a primary source; we require secondary and tertiary sources.  Being named in a lawsuit does not mean that you should have an article in an encyclopedia.  Information on living people that is not reliably sourced must be removed immediately under the BLP policy.  General Ization  Talk  04:18, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * They don't need more time. They meet N as subjects now, and the articles do not meet speedy criteria. If you disagree, you should remove the tag and send to AfD. Arch-i-tec-sure (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * We disagree on both points. No, we'll wait and see if an admin agrees with you, or with me that they are eligible for speedy deletion under the criteria cited. AfD is always an option down the road.  General Ization Talk  04:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, are they famous notable only for the dissolution of their firm? Because at this point you have added no content at either article that explains why they should be considered notable.  I assume there are other things you can say about them and their works (supported by reliable sources, perhaps some of the ones you've already cited), and I encourage you to do so as quickly as possible.  If I was the admin evaluating either article for speedy del, I would expect the content to "credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject".  If the content didn't do that, I wouldn't bother looking at the sources (which are there to support and verify the content) trying to find a reason to keep it.  General Ization  Talk  04:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Zhou Shimiao (architect) & Qiao Zhang (architect)
Can I suggest it would be more appropriate to cover the dissolution of their practice on an article for the practice, rather than on the individual's articles. --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:14, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That might be a good way to go. Another would be to redirect to an article to their current firm (avoiding making it an advertising piece), if jointly they are notable, but other editors disagree with me that they are WP:N separately. Then that article could discuss the prior firm. Regardless, thank you for being constructive. Arch-i-tec-sure (talk) 07:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Qiao Zhang for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Qiao Zhang is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Qiao Zhang until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.  General Ization Talk  05:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Zhou Shimiao for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Zhou Shimiao is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Zhou Shimiao until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.  General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 05:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)