User talk:Archer2711

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Amandajm (talk) 10:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I just want to make a couple of points about your recent edit to Ring of Silvianus.
 * References. Be very careful with them.  You deleted a reference and put in a bracket reference of your own.  What you didn't realise was that the reference you deleted was the key reference for several others in the article. That left all the other references with nothing to refer to. If you go back, and look at the reference section, you will find that in several case there are a number of refs to a single source. This is done by clever formatting, but if you remove the key reference, then all the others are shot!
 * With regards to the book that mentions the ring: Often chronological order is the best way to deal with straightforward information.
 * But in this case the information was not straightforward. It jumped from four time periods, two objects and two places.
 * Ring found
 * Ring at Vyne
 * Ring written about at Vyne
 * Change subject: curse tablet found
 * Inscription
 * Excavation
 * Professor twigs to connection
 * Calls in Tolkien re curse
 * Final sentence unites ring and tablet.


 * So moving the information about Chute's book, and placing it chronologically, truncated the information on subject No 1. the Ring. It also interrupted the information on Subject No 2, the curse tablet.
 * I note that you refer to Karen Webb at the Vyne as indicating that the connection had already been made between the ring and the tablet when Chute wrote his book. However, the fact can't be included on Karen Webb's say-so.  She cannot be cited as the source, unless she has written it, or stated it to the media in a form that can be accessed.
 * Did Chute mention in his book, in 1880 that the tablet was connected with the ring? If so, then this is the best possible source of that information, but I do not have access to it. If you could provide a full reference for the information, then it can be included.
 * Author/title/publisher/date/page number.
 * You could just put the info on the talk page of the article, and I will format it.


 * It can take a while to get the hang of formatting and Manual of Style, but keep editting!


 * Amandajm (talk) 10:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Amandajm (talk) 10:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)