User talk:Arctic Night/Archive 1

DYK nom of Marialiese Flemming
Julie; I've got an issue about this DYK nomination's wording, if you wouldn't mind stopping by and taking a look? Thanks.

(PS, what happened to the old name?) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Aaah. The thread of being stalked.  Shameful there are people out there that would ever even think about things, but it's happened before here.  Especially considering the way you're going in a few months we'll have to at least consider an RFA for you. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Cherney
Hi, whats goinng on with this editor, at cherney he is whitewashing and at deripreska he is add POV? Cheney is wanted by interpol and they have an arrest warrant it says here, I am tired of him already, imo he is also the editor User:Myrusal who did similar editing. Off2riorob (talk) 11:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

impressive
Hi there. Just wanted to stop by and say how impressive your recent activity has been. At least 9 DYKs in a single week and many more on the way. Your help at DYK in both contributing articles and refereeing nominations is invaluable and just wanted to say thank you for your continued hard work. PS. like the Username :) Kindly Calmer   Waters  13:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Ferguson
Well done :)  Arctic   Night  10:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And yourself! I'm incubating another article on a photographer, this time one of my own. But it won't emerge from my own hard drive till I've proofed it against any imaginable AfD attempt. -- Hoary (talk) 13:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. Let me know if you need any help developing the article... I'll always be here if you need me :)  Arctic   Night  13:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Careful what you might get yourself into. . . . My favorite among my article launches so far. (I don't think I'll surpass it for some time.) -- Hoary (talk) 14:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, since I can't read Japanese, I can't really judge the content, but by the length it looks pretty good.  Arctic   Night  14:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The content's dreary: it's just a translation of a month-old version of Chris Steele-Perkins. But it has references. And more references. And more references. Which makes it very unusual over there. -- Hoary (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha :) So there are some wikis where no referencing is accepted?  Arctic   Night  15:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yes. Since we're discussing photojournalists, let's consider the one who's probably still the best known in Japan, Robert Capa. Here's his Japanese article. It has a list of relevant books in Japanese (and only in Japanese), but there's no indication of which of these, if any, has been used in the article. It has no list of references. It has four footnotes, none of which is used for sourcing; instead, each gives parenthetical information. The second half (oddly, in English) of one of these notes gives the source for the particular assertion that itself is within the footnote. Thus, aside from one half of one footnote, nothing whatever within the article is sourced. Which makes it entirely normal for Japanese-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow! Even BLPs don't have references? That's a bit dangerous.  Arctic   Night  01:44, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Er . . . Capa is dead. &para; It's hard to come up with anything worth the name "article" on a living photographer at ja:WP; most are mere stubs. Still: Bruce Weber, unsourced; Araki Nobuyoshi, unsourced (very unusually, with an OR warning template in one place); Hiroshi Sugimoto, unsourced. Et cetera. Possibly the proponents of "Japanese uniqueness" would claim that a demand for sourcing would represent western hegemony; by contrast, Japanese writers speak from gut knowledge or use some other half of their (unique) brains, or some such tripe. Fact is, there has been very little in university (let alone secondary) education to encourage questioning: if your teacher or his [and the masculine is intentional here] textbook say something, then this is true and adequate, end of story. -- Hoary (talk) 04:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I meant generally, BLPs don't get referenced... I guess it would be a tradition thing, as you said. Oral traditions would probably count as original research, but as soon as someone writes them down as a reliable source, they come out of the OR state.  Arctic   Night  05:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the only traditions relevant here would be those of (i) obedience to anything smelling of authority, (ii) lack of encouragement to question, and (iii) reluctance to criticize the work of others. -- Hoary (talk) 05:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Firstly, I see, that you are from Nunavut. Are you an Inuit? :) I love langugaes and cultural, I have no any Inuit friend... Secondyl, I saw that you used to "vote" (comment) on Did you know section. I put there a suggestion about Zoltán Téglás (9th February), could you see it and comment? :) Thank you! --Eino81 (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, the verification is done by an other user, but I'm really curious about your background :) --Eino81 (talk) 23:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm part Inuit. That could be why I have such an interest in Inuit culture :) However, my first language was English, and I was brought up in a relatively urban setting.  Arctic   Night  12:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * And do you speak Inuit, too? Or at least would you like study that one day? You know, I'm a linguist and the minority languages are important to me. I'm working with bilingualism :) Which "urban set" was, where you brought up? --Eino81 (talk) 13:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I speak as much Inuit as I speak French (i.e. not much!). I was brought up in a community of a few thousand people, but did not subscribe to many Inuit values, including much of what is described here. However, I'm relatively proud of my heritage :) Feel free to email if you'd like more info... I'd be happy to provide.  Arctic   Night  13:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

25+ DYKs
I see that somehow no one gave you this medal in a timely fashion. Better late than never, I hope. - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wolfgang Ilgenfritz
Hello! Your submission of Wolfgang Ilgenfritz at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Marylanderz (talk) 01:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Bolognia push
We have been making a lot of progress with the Bolognia push, but we still need your help. Would you consider picking up another letter? ---kilbad (talk) 03:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I might give it a rest for the time being... see you soon, though.  Arctic   Night  08:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Anne André-Léonard
Good morning, Julie. Hate to be a pest, but can you take a look at the Anne André-Léonard DYK nom when you get a chance? Thanks. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Put those two sources together and I think things are fine. As an "off-cycle" World's Fair, I wouldn't expect much coverage, but I'd have expected a little more than this! Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Great work! On an unrelated matter, the Wikiwoohoo 5 RFA, you asked the question I wanted to ask but was too tired to figure out how not to sound BITEY in doing so. (Though I intend to refrain from expressing an opinion until he does something about that massive pile of questions!) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 22 XfD discussions total isn't very many; especially in some of the areas (CFD/RFD) that don't require the deep digging before !voting like AFD does. In fact, after three months of being around CFD occasionally, it seems to be 85% the same issues in different context, whereas every AFD is a new challenge.  I saw you are running the gauntlet; good luck with that one!  (This coming from someone who has failed miserably on his one GA nomination- that a month later I agree, I'd have failed it too.) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll direct you to the first GA review I conducted; Talk:Charles Eaton (RAAF officer), where DYK was so severely backlogged, it got through a GA and an A-Class review before being a DYK! How's that for a nasty backlog at DYK? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Never before; in fact, I'm only now getting around to conducting my second at Talk:Horses in World War I/GA1. I know my own prose is as clunky as can be, so I generally feel bad telling people what they can do better, when what they already have is much better than I could have written myself.  (Of course, I have no problem telling people that at DYK, but at least I have a handful of DYK credits to my name!) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Cutting and pasting will always be a concern around here; I only hope no DYK article ever gets G12'ed while on the main page; that would be rather embarrassing. DYK is an interesting process; while we do checks, a great deal of it relies on good intentions from submitters.  In fact I'd say most of the hooks that ultimately get declined are because of either bad miscounting on the 5x expansion rule, or newbies who mistake DYK as a dumping ground for interesting trivia they find around the encyclopaedia.  Most everything else gets through the problems and gets approved.  Whenever you get concerned, just remember that DYK runs amazingly smooth for the potential problems that could be there. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Have fun! Looking at Template:Members of the European Parliament, I think you have plenty of work left to do! Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It provides a nice break from the Canadian topics.  Arctic   Night  14:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Nunavut
I just noticed where you hail from - it's a place that I think about nearly every day! My local NPR forecast always provides conditions at Mount Washington and Nunavut at the end, just to show us that we have it easy I suppose. It's their fault entirely that I ever edited its entry.--otherlleft 14:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh :) Current temperature in Iqaluit is minus four degrees Celsius (that's right, I can't find the degree sign in the editing symbol box!), which isn't too bad. At Rankin Inlet it gets worse though; -23 deg. Celsius...  Arctic   Night  14:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm in the US so we get the much-more-horrifying-sounding Fahrenheit version. My father was stationed for a time in Alaska and was told that one couldn't feel the difference between fifty and sixty below Fahrenheit, an assertion he found to be incorrect.--otherlleft 14:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ouch :) Not a nice introduction to Alaska! Your father... he was with the US military?  Arctic   Night  14:56, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, back when the Cold War was literal.--otherlleft 15:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha, I get it :) I guess it's not so much an odd pun but one of the most interesting periods of world history in my opinion.  Arctic   Night  15:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for List of participants in special editions of Big Brother
Your concerns/comments have been addressed. Thank you, Chandlerchester (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Minuscule 629
Only Latin manuscripts are older. The older Greek manuscripts have Comma at the margin and added by a later hand. I use authors like Bruce M. Metzger and Kurt Aland. Thanks. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 15:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: DYK nomination of El Paso-Juárez Metropolitan Area
Thanks for looking at the DYK. I replied to your inquiry on the DYK page.

--Mcorazao (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Fort Geldria
Thanks--I've taken care of it; see the DYK page. Drmies (talk) 16:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tick! Drmies (talk) 16:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sexuality in the Philippines
✅ In-line citation provided as you've requested on my talk page. Let me know if what I did is enough. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Question for administrator
Hello, I just wanted to confirm something I said earlier was correct. Over at User talk:Bwilkins, I asked Bwilkins why he had declined speedy deletion for a user talk archive that was created via the copy-paste method. Although he hasn't replied yet, is what I am saying correct? At WP:DELTALK it says that user talk archives created via page moves cannot be deleted (as deletion would remove the page's history as well), but I assume it's OK to speedy delete user talk pages created by copy-paste move as the history will still be retained in the main user talk page's history. Thanks,  Arctic   Night  04:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, he's wrong. I'm not an admin so you can keep the adminhelp tag up for one of them to confirm; but I've had my own talk archives deleted before. There are some admins who are under this false impression that no archives can be deleted, but as long as the history is still at the original page, they can be. Equazcion  ( talk ) 06:44, 21 Feb 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Equazcion. I would like admin confirmation though - I would still like the archives speedy deleted per WP:CSD, but re-adding the speedy deletion template is probably not a good idea on my part. Thanks,  Arctic   Night  06:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * (All you're attracting is non-admins!) Indeed, that could be taken as admin-shopping. For what it's worth, I don't see the harm- or the reasoning- in deleting cut-and-paste moved archives; blanking the page would work just as well, since the history will always be there on the original page for anyone wanting to look.  Bradjamesbrown (talk) 06:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * True :) I have an ANI thread open (basically saying come and take a look at my talk page) but no luck yet. For a little bit of background, the user put up a helpme request that wasn't responded to for about three days if memory serves. He requested deletion of all of his user subpages and I CSDU1-tagged everything except the talk page.  Arctic   Night  07:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * =) Another non admin! Sorry about that...I'm in the IRC help channel at the moment, and the silence would deafen you...0400 UTC to 0900 UTC it gets rather inactive in there. All the admins are asleep, I think. Ks0stm  If you reply here, please leave me a  message on my talk page. 07:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never seen this adminhelp thing before... you learn something new every day. Yeah, as noted above, the history of the archived discussions remain in the history of the main talk page, so I've deleted the archive as per the user's request. The talk page should stay undeleted; really, there's nothing in the history that's problematic anyhow. Anyhow, fixed. Tony Fox (arf!) 08:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what I thought was meant to happen, but my tag was removed. Thanks!  Arctic   Night  08:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Can't get anything past you
(I.e. how did you see that so quickly?) Even as someone who never does NPP, as someone who has checked a dozen+ of your DYK noms, I thought it was time to relieve NPP of your creations.... DYK will be looking at them soon enough ;) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 11:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You watchlist RFPERM? I wonder if that's like when AIV got on my watchlist once; it was at the top every time I checked it. (Also, if you're wanting both the autoreviewer and rollback icons to appear on your user page, a little tweak is needed in the templates). Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It would have been more useful just to tell you how to begin with; to make up for it, I just did it myself. And that explains it- you don't have RFPERM watchlisted, you have your own user page watchlisted; which extends to rights changes over the account it represents.  Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Simple, the first time I played with top icons I messed it up half a dozen times before getting it right... (fortunately, mostly with the preview button, not the save one!) What I want to know is how you manage to churn out a DYK article every day like clockwork?  I've only had time to write one this entire month!  (And the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography had so much information on Francis Close it took just over an hour to rewrite and nominate). Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK
Fixed it, i think.. --TIAYN (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

P&R GANs?
Hey Julie. (Or should I call you Arctic Night, with the new screenname? lol) Have you ever conducted any good article reviews over at WP:GAN? I ask because the film/tv/theater backlog is getting really crazy long over there. I've been trying to cut it down a bit, and of course my own nominations are taking a while to be reviewed. Since you are familiar with Parks and Recreation, I was hoping you'd consider reviewing Practice Date and/or Sister City? A GAN review isn't particularly hard, once you get past the initial procedure and all. Let me know... —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  03:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not too bad. I'm not too worried about this round anymore, so I'm gearing up for the next round next week. So if you're feeling up for reviewing any more nominations, you don't have to worry about it till next week. (Although Practice Date and Sister City don't count toward the Wikicup, so those can be reviewed whenever.) Thanks for the reviews, I think I've addressed all your objections. So how goes everything with you? :) —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  15:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's cool about the DYKs, glad to hear you are keeping active over there. You should consider keeping a record of your hooks! I do so here, using a format I've seen lots of other users use. It's fun to keep track of them, and makes it easier for people to verify your hooks on the list of Wikipedians by DYK (which I see you should upgrade for yourself too! :) ). —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  20:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Michel Hansenne
Hello! Your submission of Michel Hansenne at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Materialscientist (talk) 09:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Michel Hansenne
Hello Artic Talk. You recently adopted me, but I haven't heard back from you. If you please drop a comment on my user page, that would be great. Thank you again. Andreasr2d2 (talk) 03:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Coaching
Responded. Cheers. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm seeking an adoption.
I don't know how to edit etc. on Wiki. I have knowledge that I have found to be wanting here on Wiki but have no clue about how to properly interface with it. I'm busy in my real life and don't have the many hours it looks like it takes to learn how this website functions. Is there any way to provide useful information for Wikipedia without becoming an editor? I had difficulty even figuring out how to set up a talk page which seems to be almost obligatory. My email address is, squatter420@yahoo.com I know this isn't the way things are supposed to be done, but I'll be damned if I can easily figure out how they should be. You assistance would be very appreciated by me. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.239.198 (talk) 00:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Is anybody there...?
Been a while since I've seen you around, Julie. How're things going? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 06:30, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Brad, I've only been semi-active here recently, as you've noticed :) I have been incredibly busy in real life and now only get half of Sunday as rest time! I plan to become more active at some point during the year though - I am certain that I could contribute a few more DYKs in December at least, although I know that's a long while off! Anyway, if there's an article you would like written and you don't really have the energy to research the subject, drop me a line. I might just be interested!  Arctic   Night  16:30, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You know more about your future than I do, then! I don't even know what country I'll be living in by December ;).  I'm bogged down right now trying to write a featured list, which is giving me a lot mroe respect for you even trying for an FA! Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:05, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, that FA... I had addressed all concerns, and another one appeared. I was going to start working on fixing the problem, when the nomination was removed by a FA delegate! I contacted her on her talk page, but my question was ignored. Oh well.  Arctic   Night  12:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi Arctic Night,

I've started to clean up the Adopters' list. You appear to appear to have been editing only sporadically in the last months. I wonder if you're still interested in adopting new users. If you're not interested any more, would you mind removing yourself? Thank you and happy editing,  Snowolf How can I help? 10:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I noticed that you are a part of WikiProject Governments of Canada and I have a proposal to turn that Wikiproject into Wikiproject:Canadian Politics. I would love to here your thoughts. The proposal disccusion is here WikiProject Council/Proposals/Canadian Politics. --Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 04:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Admin coaching
Hi Arctic Night,

I've recently returned from a fairly lengthy wikibreak, and while I am refreshed and once again in the mood to edit, I'm afraid I just don't have the enthusiasm or patience left to continue admin coaching my current students. I've enjoyed working with you recently, and I'd still be happy to answer any specific questions you may have, but I'm afraid I just can't be an effective mentor for the time being.

Obviously this isn't a reflection on you or your efforts so far. I wish you the best of luck should you run for RfA in the future.

Regards,

Juliancolton (talk) 19:52, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm not going to be able to contribute frequently here for the next few months anyway.  Arctic   Night  12:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Arctic Night/Adoption
Hi! Per your request, I've deleted this subpage. I gather you were using it for collaboration with another editor, but the other editor no longer appears to be editing? If that changes, and you need the subpage back, give me a shout and I'd be happy to restore the page. TFOWR 12:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 18:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Haven't seen you in a long time, Julie... hope things are fine with you. (As you might notice, I've gone through a name change too!) --Courcelles (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Waaaaaiiiit... you're an admin now? I checked your RfA and noticed only two questions. Whatever happened to those fun 20-questions RfAs? I'm fine... just very busy. I hope to get back to contributing regularly sometime before Christmas.  Arctic   Night  12:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me an admin. Scary, huh?  I always thought you'd run for RFA long before I did so. My RFA was quite enough drama for me, thank you very much- two questions is in some ways harder than twenty, because every word becomes so much more scrutinised.  I'm ready to see your smiling face around DYK, GAN, and maybe FAC before too long- don't be a stranger. Courcelles (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Aww, thank you :) For the time being, I think I would prefer not to become an admin. Aside from the lack of contributions lately, I would like to focus on my content-building work for a while. I'm sure I'm going to be around here for a long time, so I think I'll be waiting a while yet. One comment about FAC: I nominated Tillson Harrison a while back (before my inactivity) and got a few comments, which were all fixed. I got a suggestion to read through the article again to make sure it flows properly, and before I could respond, SandyGeorgia removed it from the list. :(  Arctic   Night  09:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I recently navigated FAC, even though I really didn't write the article, so when you get back we'll work on it and take it back to FAC. (Featured lists are much easier, for the record, Even after 'Once More...' I'm not sure I'm enough of a writer to actually produce an FA from scratch. Yet I've written two FLs, with two to four more in assessment limbo) Forget about being an admin... all it means is people you've never heard of dropping random problems at your talk page!  (Your problems are always welcome.)  For teh record, I am watching this talk page.  Two days in a row for you... is life calming down? :D Courcelles (talk) 09:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Great! Sounds like a plan. I would really like Tillson to receive his star. Although he's considered to be a war hero in parts of China, he's virtually unknown in Canada. In the future, I would like to give a featured list a shot - perhaps we could collaborate? Life isn't calming down... I shouldn't really be on here right now, as I've got a ton (or should that be tonne?) of work to do. Everything is about to get a whole lot more hectic. I'd like to keep dropping by here though!  Arctic   Night  09:29, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd love to- sometimes I need the pressure of someone breathing down my neck to actually write something! Left to my own devices, I can always find easier things to do.  When you get back, pick a list you like and we'll bring it up to par.  You sound like secret agent- whether that is intentional or not... (You are always a welcome sight on my watchlist.) Courcelles (talk) 09:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent, I feel the same. A secret agent? Who told you about that? :)  Arctic   Night  09:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't you know that with the mop and bucket comes a security clearance directly from Her Majesty? ;) Courcelles (talk) 10:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh right. You had better keep it a secret though. :)  Arctic   Night  10:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)