User talk:Ardfern/Archive4

2008 Archive

Volapük
Hi Adfern! I found your name via the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians and thought you might care about this discussion: Proposals for closing projects/Radical cleanup of Volapük Wikipedia. In case you think that deleting stubs is not the best for the Volapuk Wikipedia, you could help us fight against it with your vote. Thanks in advance! Smeira 18:42, 10 Jan 2008

AfD nomination of 1248 in Ireland
An article that you have been involved in editing, 1248 in Ireland, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * LMAO!! Again :) Sarah777 (talk)

Another attack!
Ardfern; just a thought. I am linking years (especially pre-1800) to Year in Ireland as I go along. It is an enormous task but one of the complaints in the AfD (1248) is lack of pages linking to the article. I made a suggestion on the IrlProj page some time back but it was met with studied disinterest! Might be helpful if you changed links to Irish years, especially, say, pre-1500. Sarah777 (talk) 01:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Energy in the Republic of Ireland
Hi, Ardfern. I made proposal to merge categories Category:Energy in the Republic of Ireland and Category:Energy in Ireland. You are welcome to add your comment here.Beagel (talk) 20:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Merging there is indeed a logic for having these cats separately - one refers to the whole island (ie including Northern Ireland), the other refers to the state of the Republic of Ireland only. To merge them means if you want to find out only about the Republic in one cat, you can't. I accept there is as yet no full separation of all cats in this way, but I have been trying to get them separated for some time. It's the right thing to do, so lets not do the wrong thing, just because we haven't got all cats right yet. Help us get all the other relevant cats separated instead.Ardfern (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Did the needful on the merge page. Shows that outsiders will rush in where hardened warriors fear to tread! (Fantastic work on the "years" btw). Sarah777 (talk) 01:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Navigation template for years-in-Ireland artiles
Hi Ardfern, can you take a look at YearInIrelandNav.

As a demo, I have placed it in 1957 in Ireland, 1798 in Ireland and in 1722 in Ireland. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * PS If you like it, I can roll it out across all the articles, using AWB. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That looks great to me - roll it! (But it means about half my last thousand edits were a waste of time....) Sarah777 (talk) 01:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry Sarah, if I had made the box when I promised last December ... :( --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

PS Ardfern, I have replied on my talk to your comments there. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Ash
I have nominated ash for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 18:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Geography of Ireland
You may have noticed that Geography of Ireland is on FAR and mainly needs inline citations and some statistics checking. Maybe you can help it being demoted from FA. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 04:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments needed
Ardfern, see Category:999 in Ireland. Regards Sarah777 (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

omagh bombing
I live in Northern Ireland (well, somebody has to) lol

Anyways, there a specific piece of geographic info in 'Omagh bombing' that I'm not sure about. The article says The warnings mentioned 'Main Street' when there was no 'Main Street' in Omagh at the time. The line is sourced, but... well... is it true? Are there any Wikipedians from Omagh who would know from firsthand experience whether a 'Main Street' exists (and, if so, where it is)? 24.32.208.58 (talk) 22:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting! When you search for "Main Street, Omagh" into MultiMap you get 4 returns but |main%20street%20omagh#t=l&map=54.61459,-7.43557|11|4&hloc=GB|main%20street,%20omagh none are in Omagh itself. That's curious indeed. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 23:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That's weird. Well, I guess the sentence stays in the article. 24.32.208.58 (talk) 17:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Years in Norrn Iron
Hi Ardfern, if you have a mo, I'd welcome your comments on my doodles at User talk:Sarah777 (about a template). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in a peer review of EasyJet
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CatBot?
Are you bot? CatBot?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 21:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant!
Ardfern, looking at your latest categories for "years in Ireland". Brilliant. You have the deletionists in a tizzy! Maybe they'd like to delete the "years in Europe" categories?!! Sarah777 (talk) 20:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not so brilliant, actually. If you continue recreating categories which have just been deleted through CfD and DRV, you will be blocked for disruption. Fram (talk) 19:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And for all clarity: creating the ones that were not deleted through CfD / DRV because they didn't exist yet, but are essentially exactly the same, fall under this warning as well. Stop creating those "years in Ireland" categories (everything before 1100), or be blocked for a disruptive WP:POINT violation. Fram (talk) 20:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

24 hour block
You were warned, but continued anyway. 24 hour block for disruptive editing to make a WP:POINT. Fram (talk) 20:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC) You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by replying here on your |talk page by adding the text. You may also email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list instead, or mail unblock-en-l@mail.wikimedia.org.


 * No discussion, no appeal, just an immediate close down. I read the first message and minutes later I am blocked without discussion. Its no wonder people give up on Wikipedia when they get treated like this. No attempt was made to look at the context of what was being done and its wider context in Years in Europe and work being done there. Remove this block and have some sensible discussion and get a consistent approach. Ardfern (talk) 20:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * To be precise, 35 minutes between the first message and the block, 35 minutes in which you didn't feel the need to discuss or appeal, but continued to add the categories to numerous articles, and to create the articles. The sensible discussion was the CfD and the DRV: the consistency was being applied now, but you tried to disrupt this, despite the CfD, the DRV, and the two messages above. If you stop creating these categories, I have no problem with you being unblocked. If you intend to continue editing like you were doing before the block, I see no reason to lift it. Fram (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Will create no more such categories pre-1100 as requested, so please unblock. Will review need for further discussion in light of need for consistent approach overall. Ardfern (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You have been unblocked, of course. Further discussion is of course welcome. Can I give you one example to think about? The categories like Category:Years of the 9th century in Ireland contained exactly the same number of subcategories as they contained articles, since all these subcategories contained exactly one article, which was also in this parent category. This is quite useless, and is contrary to the WP:CAT guidelines, which e.g. says that "Usually, articles should not be in both a category and its subcategory". I understand a certain wish for consistency, but I fear that in this case, it was pushed to a rather absurd extreme, without any need for it. I have changed the template in five or ten minutes, so these categories are no longer automatically created for older years. All pages are categorized in decade or centry categories, making them easily accesible and making browsing from one to another easy (easier, in fact, than through the individual year categories). Fram (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Unblocking not yet effective - please remove. Ardfern (talk) 21:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

{{subst:Request accepted|Autoblock of 86.156.6.197 lifted or expired.}

What can I say?
This is getting more and more like some institution run by a cult of abusers. 40k edits in "main"; not a single cross word ever uttered - and you get blocked. At least I put myself about as they say; there is simply NO valid excuse for blocking you no matter what self-serving rationalisation the fascists come up with. Plus, the block is totally illegitimate as you are using an undeleted system of categorisation. Sarah777 (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I note that there was no valid warning either. I presume Alison and Fozzie will now wake-up and smell what is going on here? Sarah777 (talk) 22:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

FYI
I think you missed Categories for discussion/Log/2008 January 30. Short version is no more by-year categories before "1100 in Ireland". The templates have been updated, but they'll take a while to propagate the change to all the articles. As far as one-offs go, BHG was arguing that it was one big scheme. Creating individual categories for two or three articles doesn't really fit with that. Anyway, she said she'd bring this up at WikiProject Ireland. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What can I say? If I'd read this page I'd have seen that you didn't miss it at all. I'm not meaning to be a bastard about this, but please stop. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Years in Ireland

 * Hi Fram, many thanks for the blocking and unblocking experience last night. Good to know we are being so rigorously policed. I can entirely understand the logic of not having Years in Ireland cats with only a single article in them, pre-1100, or at any point, but not when there is more than one article in the cat (eg 195 and 331). The year related article now appears in the decade cat, unrelated to the year in question. This means that readers cannot find all articles related to a single year in one place. This is not good for a reader/researcher and is simply not logical. It makes finding material relating to a year more difficult, all for the sake of establishing a year cat. Logical access is more important than Wikibureaucracy. I would request, therefore, that where there is more than one article related to a year, a year cat should be established, eg in the case of 195 and 331 above. Ardfern (talk) 11:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please fill these articles with more information. Basketball  110   what famous people say  ♣ 02:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not just down to me - why don't you help? - after all Wikipedia is supposed to be a collaborative thing. Ardfern (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

A query about population figures for NI villages with <500 inhabitants
Hello there, I am planning to add population statistics to Ballyronan. As the NINIS site only holds statistics on villages with a population of over 500, I was wondering for example, how you got the population for Killinchy. Derry Boi has suggested contacting them directly; did you email NINIS with a Freedom of Information request? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, EJF (talk) 23:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi EJF. All the info I got is from the Ninis website (which doesn't appear to be working today). Under 500 inhabitants doesn't appear through queries, but there is a list (possibly a pdf list) somewhere on the site detailing those under 500. I will have another look when the Ninis site is up again and see if I can find it. Ardfern (talk) 14:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think the site is down due to hacking as I see there was a BBC report on it. Hopefully it will be working soon! Thanks for offering to help, EJF (talk) 14:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Kilkeel High School
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Year in country categories
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the purpose of the categories, but isn't a category like Category:1509 in France intended for events of that year which took place in France, rather than merely those which involved French participation but occurred elsewhere? Something like Category:France in 1509 would be the more obvious name for a broader one.

(I'm asking because articles like Battle of Agnadello would be included in the latter but not the former; and I'm somewhat confused as to which one it's really meant to be.) Kirill 13:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Kirill. In my view, cats like 1509 in France should be used for all articles that are about events in which France was involved in 1509 - this has been the common practice to date. As a reader I would want to see everything related to France in 1509, events that took place in France would be very restrictive and not give a historical or accurate perspective. Otherwise, for instance, you could not include the Battle of Trafalgar for 1805 in England as it took place at sea and not in England, yet it was a major English event. Another renamed cat would only further add to confusion and work to be done. Hope this makes the logic clear. Ardfern (talk) 13:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. The organization makes sense; but perhaps it might be worth considering a rename of the entire category tree to the "Country in year" form rather than the "Year in country" form, since the "X in country" naming is commonly used to classify exclusively by geographic location in other parts of the category system. Kirill 14:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

195... in France
Hey, are you sure that events outside of France should be in the category "1953/2/whichever in France"? Is that category not just for events happening in France? Should Operation Camargue for example not be in 1953 in Vietnam, for instance? Regards, SGGH speak! 11:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi SGGH - In my view, cats like 195.. in France should be used for all articles that are about events in which France was involved in 195.. - this has been the common practice to date. As a reader I would want to see everything related to France in 195.., events that took place in France only would be very restrictive and not give a historical or accurate perspective. Otherwise, for instance, you could not include the Battle of Trafalgar for 1805 in England as it took place at sea and not in England, yet it was a major English event. Operation Camargue should indeed be in 1953 in Vietnam, but also in 1953 in France since it was an event involving the French. Hope this makes the logic clear. Ardfern (talk) 20:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, cheers! SGGH speak! 21:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh FSM...
Wow...not sure how I got involved in this mess. Could I, um, back out? I just reverted what appeared to be removal of a lot of content...Teh Rote (talk) 15:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

1809
Hi Ardfern, we got a request on the helpchannel that the data was copied into 1809, and the page should be a redirect, and i didn't notice the merger was opposed, so sorry for that, the user requesting it in IRC is named IngerAlHaosului. Cheers. Mion (talk) 15:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mion - ok as long as article reverted. Why are you taking requests on the helpchannel (whatever that is} to merge articles from people who are not registered and cannot be involved in discussion? Even if merging was right, I should have been consulted as the author of this and a large series of similar articles. Happy that info is now in 1809, but 1809 in France remains a legitimate article in its own right as part of the History by year/by country series. Ardfern (talk) 15:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes i took for granted that the discussion was followed, which wasn't, the 1809 page is also reset to 3 mar, to prevent double data. Cheers. Mion (talk) 15:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Your message
This was a reply to a note I left on 7 May 2004 right? Things have moved on a bit since then... --BozMo talk 16:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * many apologies - for some reason Wikid77 sent it to me after 1809 in France was merged.Ardfern (talk) 18:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OIC I think the merge demerge was done wrong. This comment wasn't on that page but no problem. --BozMo talk 19:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair Enough
I can see your point about Year by Country articles. It just seemed a bit pointless to me when I first saw 1809 in France. And naturaly, I have no problem with you restoring the article if someone merged it without reasonable discussion :) Almighty  Clam  18:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

April 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 23:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. many thanks for the welcome, however, two minutes more research might have revealed that I am a long time contributor and know the rules about referencing extremely well. Another minutes research would have shown that every contribution to 1948 in France (and the other Years in France articles I have contributed) is taken from another Wiki article. These Years articles are essentially index articles using Wiki sources largely. Hope this makes things a bit clearer. Ardfern (talk) 10:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOT.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 15:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, so we're off the citing sources thing and we're now on to saying these articles are not Wiki suitable. Oops - that means the 106 Years in France articles and the 373 Years in Northern Ireland and Years in Ireland articles I have added are not suitable and that the thousands of articles in Years by country and the thousands of Year and Date articles are not suitable either. I don't think so - these are all integral to Wikipedia. Please just let me get on with the work.Ardfern (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Who said these are not suitable? I am saying again and again that these are good articles and suitable for wikipedia. These are important articles. I am just telling you to follow WP:V.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said at the start all the material for these is from existing Wiki articles.Ardfern (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Football in Ireland
I have nominated football in ireland for renaming to association football in ireland. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 16:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Final warning
This is the last warning you will receive for your constructive edits. You have been repeatedly warned that adding copious quantities of historical indexes and categories is a dangerous distraction from the important work of creating infoboxes on cartoon characters, and that your failure to participate in flame wars, edit wars, and POV disputes is quite excessively civil. Unless you stop, you will be awarded a barnstar. ;) -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi BHG - very many thanks for the final warning - I knew this excessive civility thing would get me into trouble. No more barnstars please - you can get too much of a good thing. Good to hear from you. Just keeping my head down and getting on. Thanks again. Ardfern (talk) 18:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I'm just glad that it did come across as tongue-in-cheek, because irony is notoriously difficult to communicate online.  Anyway, I'll leave off the barnstars if you insist, and just enjoy seeing a steady accumulation of your chronology-building work popping up on my watchlist. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! This miscreant certainly needs careful watching :) Sarah777 (talk) 00:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Sarah - good to hear from you - with you and BHG watching there's not much chance of me being a miscreant - on with the work. Thanks.Ardfern (talk) 18:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Greenisland
Hello there.

I noticed the article on Greenisland has recently been updated with business names and telephone numbers. I'm contacting you as you have previously worked with that article and because of the awards on your page, I thought you may be a good person to ask. Is the use of business names and telephone numbers permitted by wikipedia in this way? It seems to read like a local yellow pages now rather than an encyclopedic article. I couldn't find any information to specifically exclude it, so I'm asking your opinion on whether the edits should be reverted or if the article is ok as it stands? Wikipedia has an awful lot of rules for articles, I get lost in them!

Cheers. Mojowibble (talk) 17:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Mojowibble - just had a look at Greenisland - bit of a mess - business names and telephone numbers should not be included - it reads like a telephone directory, which Wikipedia is not. I know only too well, and from bitter experience, how difficult it is to know the rules for articles, but have a look at About (3.2 Wikipedia content criteria) and What Wikipedia is not (2.6 Wikipedia is not a directory). Should the original contributor dispute your reversion you could point them to the second reference. Trust this is helpful Ardfern (talk) 17:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for the help.  I've taken an attempt to clean up the article a bit.  I think the remaining list and the list of churches, clubs and schools etc. should be acceptable but let me know if you think otherwise and I'll address it.  Thanks again.  Mojowibble (talk) 00:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

New Project
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CfD nomination of Category:Banjax Studios
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Proposed deletion of Millennium Air
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Minor edits & categories
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WikiProject Northern Ireland
Hi,

I'd like to take the opportunity to advise you on two matters which, being a member or former member of the Northern Ireland WikiProject or it's sister project on Belfast, you might be interested in the following submission about a recent terrorist attack Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to ask for your help in reviving the Northern Ireland WikiProject. Given that there are only a small number of Wikipedians from Northern Ireland or interested specifically in the region, the project needs all the help it can get.

Cheers, --Setanta747 (talk) 13:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

More detailed years not always correct
For example, consider this: the correct subacts that should be added are 'in Poland', in 'Austria' and 'in Russia', not only 'in Lithuania'. By adding only the Lithuanian subcat you are obscurring this event from future clean up of the year cat. As I watch many Polish topics, I've noted that you've constantly replaced the general cat with 'in Lithuania' version; I look forward to seeing your edits updating those articles with 'in Poland' and 'in other countries' as appropriate.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "in Poland" etc will follow when I get to fixing Years in Poland and other Years in due course. Can only do one full Year in category at a time. Of course, you could always fix it yourself in the meantime. Ardfern (talk) 17:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I did not realize you are doing it for all countries. In that case, I think I will wait and let you get on with your job - I have a hundred other things to do on Wiki myself :) Looking forward to seeing you update the Polish years cat structure.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Your Edits to 2005 in Ireland
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits like you did to this article Fasach Nua (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Your Edits to 2006 in Ireland
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits like you did to this article Fasach Nua Fasach Nua (talk) 15:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Your Edits to 2007 in Ireland
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits like you did to this article Fasach Nua Fasach Nua (talk) 15:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Fasach Nua, my long time ago edits were not vandalism - perhaps you hadn't noticed that the info on NI football matches is to be found in, for instance, 2007 in Northern Ireland and does not need to be replicated in 2007 in Ireland. You may not have noticed that in many areas of these articles (eg Events) info relating to NI is not replicated in the Years in Ireland articles. I have been working on these articles for some considerable time (set up many of them and added much content to them), so accusations of vandalism are not welcome from what appears to be an uninformed source.Ardfern (talk) 19:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Operation August Storm
Hi, you recently added Category:1945 in Japan to this article. You do realise that the article deals with events that took place in China? Or is it the broader definition of the category that all events which had influence in Japan are included?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 23:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fully aware article is about events in China, but broader definition of Years by country articles is used, as it is part of History by country, so that all Japan related history can be added, otherwise, for instance, Pearl Harbour attack could only appear in Years in the United States. Ardfern (talk) 08:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for your reply. Makes sense, but I thought I'd ask.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 08:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of 260 in Ireland
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AfD nomination of 254 in Ireland
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Proposed deletion of FlyBosnia
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AfD nomination of Louisiana Airways
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Transport in Ireland
Hi Ardfern, I saw you added some Transport sections for a couple of places in Ireland. I corrected (i.e. removed) at least two of them (Sallybrook in Cork, Stradbally in Laois AFAICR), that were referring to other places in Ireland with the same name. How many Transport sections did you add? I could review them. Alxp (talk) 14:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
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Your "Years in Ireland" series
Ardfern, are you aware that a bot, "Lightbot", is trawling through Irish articles removing all links to your "Years in Ireland" series? Sarah777 (talk) 19:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, Lightbot is removing links to all dates, non-full and full, because all dates are now deprecated. I suspect that because "Years in Ireland" are set up to use a piped link to the category instead of linking directly to the "years in" page. The latest Signpost has more about the manual of style changes and Lightbot is working on some of them as one of it processes. Hope that helps explain it to you and Sarah. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Alaska Seaplane Service
I have nominated Alaska Seaplane Service, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Alaska Seaplane Service. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

18xx in India categories
Are you actually going to use these categories to to categorize anything other than the '18xx in India' articles? If not, they should be redeleted as creating a category for one page is pointless. John Reaves 20:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I will, when I have time to go through the rest of History of India to add other cats. Maybe you could help to do that and add cats yourself. Ardfern (talk) 20:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree... the logical conclusion seems to be every year for every country, which are mostly blank. I just don't see this as a useful way for Wikipedia to describe history. -FlyingToaster (talk) 20:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You didn't see my answer - I agree it would be useless to leave the cats blank, but that is not what is being done. I will be going through the History of India to add cats. Maybe you could help to add in cats too. Ardfern (talk) 20:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

1942 in India
Hi Tony - see you delinked all dates in this article. I understand the policy in general, but question its relevance in a an article which is actually all about dates and their linkages. Your action means that users accessing this article can no longer link through to articles on specific dates (eg 8 August) to get more information on other events on that date, or, more importantly, be able to link back to the article relating to the birth year or death year of the person listed (eg 1900 in India). Was this policy really meant to restrict users ability to navigate and get further information relating to date articles? Could you please reconsider this action in relation to date articles such as this, otherwise thousands of such articles will need revision and become of very limited value to users. Ardfern (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Years in India
You have replaced age by the year of birth for people in the years in India, e.g., 2005_in_India. Why is the year of birth better than age? Jay (talk) 10:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Year of Birth/Death enables you to link back to the death/birth date and it is also consistent with all other Years in India articles and the thousands of year by country articles in Wikipedia. Ardfern (talk) 18:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I realized after my post that the birth year links were piped links. Also was not aware of the style adopted by other country articles. However, why does age have to go? It is useful information. Jay (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you agree with this, please put back the age details you had removed. Jay (talk) 17:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

1798 in India
Many thanks for proposing deletion of this article, seconds after I had started it. It is not an empty article and is a stub, to be developed and added to. That is the purpose of stubs - immediate deletion allows no development of articles. I am currently going through Indian people by occupation adding their details to new and older articles in the Years in India series. There will be more entries to follow for 1798 in India if the article is left to be added too. Please understand the stub principle and remove this deletion proposal forthwith. Ardfern (talk) 13:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

It is a PROD not an AFD proposal. The idea is that any editor who comes along and sees it adds content to make it valid. I appreciate that you are creating the years in film, but by guidelines if you are creating empty pages, or pages that are void of encyclopedic content when created which you intend filling later you should be adding convenience templates to identify your intentions at the top such as. This shows courtesy to other editors that it is a page in the making not another perma-stub that will be left, Regards Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 13:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps then you could fix and sort out Template:YearInIndiaNav like Template:YearInIrelandNav and use the same style template in the years in India article? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Well? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 14:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

With regard to Nav template, I already did this for Northern Ireland and much of Ireland and don't much feel like having to find a suitable (politically correct) map for India and having to add template to hundreds of articles all by myself. Putting content into Years in India is higher priority for me just at the moment. But feel free to have a go yourself. Ardfern (talk) 14:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Understood. I can find an blank Indian map for you heres one. I did actually try to have a go at copying the irish one myself but when I tested it it didn't work correctly. P.s if you fix the template so it works like Ireland I'll add it to all of the articles. Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 14:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Have asked BrownHairedGirl, who originated the YearsinIrelandnav template, for some help on the way forward for Years in India and Years in France (which I have also done substantial work on). Will keep you advised. Ardfern (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I did notice that actually too, and was going to ask her, but she hasn't been that active of late Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 15:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

No content in Category:Northern Irish hockey players
Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Category:Northern Irish hockey players, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Category:Northern Irish hockey players has been empty for at least four days, and its only content has been links to parent categories. (CSD C1). To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Category:Northern Irish hockey players, please affix the template to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that '''this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. To see the user who deleted the page, click here''' CSDWarnBot (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Category:Baptist churches in Northern Ireland
A3 speedy deletion applies only to articles, not categories. That's what the A in A3 is for. The closest category equivalent, C1, requires a waiting period of four days. There is no rush on these, please let it wait the required time, and if noone protests, it can be easily C1 deleted at that point. - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Baptist church redirects
Just a note that redirect pages don't have to have any content, as in substantive content (some may have categories or housekeeping templates), and that all of those baptist churches were reverted to being just a redirect with no content. The originals, which were redirects, were templated, which was incorrect. However, they're legit redirects as they stand (just "#REDIRECTArticle name") on the page - like the current state of Newtownbreda Baptist Church. Skier Dude ( talk ) 22:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * (Responding to your comments on Skier Dude's talk page.)
 * Most of them were not deleted, but rather were restored to an earlier version as a bare-bones redirect, without the nav templates and other stuff that was dropping them in the categories.
 * A few were deleted, and there is an ongoing debate on the CSD page over that.
 * In general, for something like this, you want Redirects for Deletion. Speedy deletion is for very specific, non-controversial deletions only.  And, for redirects, your arguments just do not fit the narrow speedy deletion reasons.  Please, if you really want them gone, take them to RFD, and get a full and proper debate going on them there. - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, please keep in mind that admin's decide if something should be deleted as speedy or not. If an admin like removed the speedy tag, do not re-add it again and especially please do NOT edit war about it like you did here. Also, do not re-add the tag in hope that some other admin ignores the previous decision and deletes it, instead take it to WP:XFD if a speedy was declined. Regards  So  Why  22:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

November 2008
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AfD nomination of I-Jet Caribbean
I have nominated I-Jet Caribbean, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/I-Jet Caribbean. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Guy (Help!) 22:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

You created the stub for Aero Tropical, could we have an update on this airlines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.159.41 (talk) 07:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)