User talk:Argo Navis/Archive/2005/10/01-2006/06/08

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US County Infobox
I noticed that you transfed Template:US County infobox for use on the Crotian wiki. Glad to see it spread, just one thing though, in order to get it to work completly though, you going to need Template:County seal, Template:Web Address, Template:If defined call3, Template:If defined call1, Template:Template call1, and Template:Template call3. --Boothy443 | comhrá 07:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Apologies
I sincerely apologize for the unintelligible version of the TJC article in Croatian. I will not use machine-translation again.

thanks!
Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 07:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC), on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

Kosovo
You hawe sayed this please, don't undisputable facts (as long as they are valid, tommorow, who knows.. beacose of this we are going to use that wt we have now. -- Hipi zhdripi

Please Help
Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 01:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

Many names for same thing
Are you implying that they speak three different idioms?! Luka Jačov 10:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm impliing that they speak croatian (mostly) and serbian. Actualy, I don't imply anything. Numbers do. --Ante Perkovic 10:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

As said different names for same thing. Mentioning this would only creat confusion among readers impliying that they speak more or less different idioms which is not true. Thats why term Serbo-Croatian is best to use especially cos we are talking about dialectology. Luka Jačov 11:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied at User talk:Luka Jačov.

And, explanations for 2 idioms are here METHODOLOGICAL GUIDELINES, cached, look fotr yelow text. (or here METHODOLOGICAL GUIDELINES). --Ante Perkovic 11:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

98% of population arent lingustic experts. And second thing Serbs in Croatia are pretty homogenous in lingustical sense. So the pretty much speak one idiom. Luka Jačov 11:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, they speak ijekavian Serbian, so says linguists. --Ante Perkovic

Declaring on census is political preference and not true linguistical fact. Luka Jačov 11:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You declaring your political preference also isn't true linguistical fact, isn't it? --Ante Perkovic 11:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR on Serbs of Croatia
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. -- Cyde Weys 16:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Did You blocked the other guy who also made the same violation ?

FSJ Serbian/Croatian
Hello, I've seen that you've been modifying my article. I have no problems with that, but my curiosity is why would the national banner be "FSJ" if it is not such in Croatian as well? I try to keep the article as un-political as possible and the only apparent answer is that it was the same in Croatian, otherwise the name of the Association would not have been "FSJ". --Hurricane Angel 19:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Ante, I don't think you understood what I said. I know very well that both Bosnian and Croatian forms are "nogomet" you don't have to patronize me like that. Before we continue this discussion, may I ask you how old you are and how long you lived in the SFRY? --Hurricane Angel 21:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, my apologies as well for the misunderstanding. Anyways, I had a chat with both my parents, whom were non-communists from Voivodina, they say that Croatian was not supressed. We all know Tito was Croatian, so I would be amazed to see him supress his own heritage like that. My father's friend was one of the people who worked with the FSJ somehow and I got the full answer from him. When the FSJ was started/reconstituted in the 40s or 50s, they agreed to use "Fudbalski" because it was more international as opposed to "Nogometna". It had nothing to do with supression of Croatian, rather it was that the association seemed more understandable to major western powers. --Hurricane Angel 06:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I did not agree. 1) I did not agree that Croatian was supressed, although that wasn't the topic. 2) When talking about "football", yes there is a difference in the use of words, nogomet and fudbal as we discussed previously. However, when addressing the Association, specifically the "Football Association of Yugoslavia", it was "Fudbalski" in every language, because that was the name of the association, not referring to the word football, rather you address it as a name. --Hurricane Angel 07:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think you are listening to me, I am not the one asking questions here, I am telling you the facts. I am telling you this is not about language in its normal sense. And you're right, neither of us have that much time, so why bring up the issue of "serb propaganda"? I'm not a serb, so you're not dealing with someone who has a certain bias that you seem to think I have. So once again, the FSJ was a name, therefore "Fudbalski" is the same in Croatian or Serbian. No "fudbalski" by itself does not mean anything in croatian, but in terms of the FSJ it was the Football Association of Yugoslavia in either language. --Hurricane Angel 07:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I will write a short description of the name issue in the article regarding what we've just achieved. --Hurricane Angel 08:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Your comments on my talk page
Hi. I will answer the Stepinac on the talk page there; as for Boskovic, I didnt notice the sentence you pointed out. As for the revert warring, I see that Croatian users are quite enthusiastic about it - a clique of users such as Elephantus, EurowikiJ etc. are just blindly reverting with no attention to content - why dont you try talking to them! Of course it is a bad thing, but to avoid it, people need to be willing to compromise, and revert warring between Serbs and Croats is here for a very long time. Why, for instance, would Serbian claim on Boskovic father's ethnicity be linked to Seselj - who is only one of the people who claim it, and bases this on previous claims. Why you keep removing that his mother is Italian ("local notable" is a pathetic way to hide Italian ethnicity). Italian ethnicity was discussed on talk page 4 years ago!!. It would be fair to say what each side claims, i.e. that the ethnicity is disputed, and not to skew it by misrepresenting Serbian position. Serpen 00:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for Comments on Borovo Selo raid
Please add your statement on views at the top of the talk page in the designated area. Asterion talk to me 05:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply

 * Funny thing, so many "new" users these days just pop up on wikipedia and starts editing pages that are in edit wars last few days. What a coincidence.


 * So, how many "different" people do you think will just "pop up" and go right in to the moste recent edit war?

--Ante Perkovic 06:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am one who is quite new here. I was watching my co-worker editing and discussing these things related to nazism. Some of his views and knowledge about nazi past of former Yugoslavia and mine - about the WWII Ukraine nazi past were pretty convergent. I'll be ocassionaly here just to tease the 'serious editors' like you. If contributing - it will not be about nazism, for sure--Romaine 12:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
What have I vandalized? I did some hard work and lost more than an hour on it, trying to write as objectively as possible. Revert if you must, but the administrator recommended that the title be changed. After Rockie changed the title and then left the article in a half-meningless, inconsistent form, I thought my edits were logical. --85.187.44.131 14:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit warring
Hi. I noticed that you are worried about Serbo-Croat edit warring, as you have pointed out on my page. Some of your pals seem to be extremely abusive (Mir Harven has a history of blatant personal attacks, user page vandalisation etc.) It would be good to resolve the conflicts through cooperation, not through edit wars. Unlike some of your pals (like Mir Harven, but there are others who use everything from reverts with little or no explanation, bad faith disruption etc.) you seem to try to make a good faith effort to come to a NPOV version. There are some other Croatian editors like that (I have noticed Joy for instance). If you want to cooperate, I am willing to help; we can do one article at a time. For instance, we can first resolve the dispute on the Boskovic page, since you have suggested that the truth (i.e. NPOV version) is somewhere in between. Anyway, I think as much as you that edit wars and other bad-faith behavior is bad, but there need to be two sides willing to cooperate (instead of warring) to come to acceptable articles. Serpen 11:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. I have restored the {fact} tag at Neonasizm article, that has been reverted a lot today.

I will do what I can to try to calm the situation, which seems a bit better already. Not all of Serbian editors communicate, but improving the atmosphere makes people behave with less emotion. Serpen 19:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ko trazi taj nade
The administration should still remember Luka Jacov, sicne he was running around and gathering votes a month ago. --VKokielov 12:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For other things. He was trying to save an article from deletion, and pile stubs into article improvement.  First I told him he was making a bad name for the Yugoslav community, because here was stemd, voting "for" where every English-speaking user here voted "against"...He kept at it.  So we complained to the administration.  --VKokielov 12:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Please help on Mathematics
Posted by Pruneau 21:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC), on behalf of the AID Maintenance Team

Are You expert in history and history of science ???
Hi,

I see that a clique of Croatian users keeps removing reference to not only Rudjer Boskovic Serbian origin, but to what Eintein said about him and what is sourced in another article.

Are you an expert in history of science? Do you hold a PhD in history and share your disinterested expertise in many articles about Croatian history out of lofty altruism?

What do you know about the relation of unified field theory to Rudjer Boskovic work and the way it inspired Einstein? What do you know about Klauza Klein models, about Einstein-Cartan theory, U4, Yang-Mills...?

Given that you are a Croat with famous Croatian culture, I am sure you know as much about these things as petty Serbian minds (known to have smaller brains than Croatian, according to a public statement of another reputable Croatian expert) can never dream to achieve.

Reverting articles without even checking what changes You actually make without having much clue what you are doing in the process by you and a clique of Croatian editors bent on denying Croatian crimes seams like completely unlikely explanation of what you people do.

So, please, keep checking what You are actually doing when reverting articles, and dont be tempted to refrain from editing articles where your experteese is shabby. Is ti so hard? Nelodkan 17:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Answered on Nelodkan's talk page. -Ante Perkovic 19:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I did not add the sentence myself. The reference exists on the linked page. Nelodkan 21:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

primjera je puno
vidim postirao si na mojoj stranici razlicite tvrdnje, a da nisi provjerio niti sve linkove koje sam dao iz kojih se jasno vidi da to nije izolirani incident. a postiral sam i ovaj link. sto se rijeke tice, puno si siguran da je "golman prije dolaska u Rijeku pokazao popriličnu sklonost prema liku i djelu četničkog zlikovca Arkana"? je, vjerojatno je i linc opravdan na osnovi tvojih pouzdanih informacija. i sto ti znaci recenica "Bilo bi šteta da gnjavim sad nekog tamo administratora sa ovim člankom, jel da?" - sto bi neki administrator tu mogao uraditi, sve je poduprto linkovima? kanis li mozda i mene lincovati, kako se to vec desavalo u dalmaciji trebas ipak znati da ja zlatnih zuba nemam! Mozart1783

Dakle, ti tvrdiš da već jesam nekog linčovao? Divota, sve u skladu sa kroatofobijom u najgorim danima rata. Dobro da znam s kakvim ljudima imam posla ovdje. --Ante Perkovic 05:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Editor EurowikiJ
Hi. There is a problem with editor EurowikiJ, who seems to do little but inflame edit wars. For instance, I have tried to work constructively on Zerjavic article. Then came the EurowikiJ, simply reverted the version, and then revert war was restarted, with two more extreme versions being altered. The same happens on other pages. What happened to page Boskovic, you dont want to help there? I think that there will always be edit wars if more moderate editors dont work together to get a good version - it is really tho only sure way to end edit wars for on articles. I tried to NPOV version on Zerjavic and removed the more extreme Serbian POV, but there are editors like EurowikiJ who just revert any edit from any Serbian contributor - his edit history is 90% reverts! It would be better if you suggested some changes and to work in moderatete way and in good faith - there is really no other way to avoid extreme users, who are easily provoked by any unbalanced article into making extreme edits. The problematic users are atracted to problematic articles, but articles can be fixed if not such users, that are unavoidable. Edits from their own "side" by more moderate editors can possibly stop people like EurowikiJ (and his mirror images at Serbian side). Anyway, I'd appreciate if you got involved more with edits (in a fair way, I am sure) or said something to the troublemakers on your side. Serpen 19:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. --Ante Perkovic 12:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Ante, I'm sorry, but I was blocked untill a few hours ago, for reverting an article twice (there's justice on Wikipedia), and I couldn't change it. After I was unblocked, I finished the Serbia Portal, something I was interrupted in, and I forgot about the Montenegrin language thing. Sorry again. -- serbiana  -  talk  06:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Operation Flash/Highway incident
Hey Ante, this is the former I.P. number, now with a user name. Please see the Operation Flash talk page. Let's see if we can get this thing ironed out and cleared up. Enden 21:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I will, but next week. --Ante Perkovic 10:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Bay of Kotor
I have answered you on the corresponding talk page.

Oh, and it's Prevlaka - not "Privlaka" (and it's not a geographical part of the Bay of Kotor. I shall not revert your edits without compromise - I just found it incorrect and removed it. --HolyRomanEmperor 09:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Glad we concur. --HolyRomanEmperor 09:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Attempts to delete image
I see you are trying to delete the image together with Zmaj. The merits of such attempts and motivation is not what I will go into now, but please note:

1.Image page is not a discussion page (I have moved the discussion to image talk page, a proper place).

2.Fair-use tag is a valid tag, and does not need adittional marking. Since it was you who found this image on index portal, that apparently claims copyright, than you should not place tag that status of the image is unknown. Fair use of copyrighted material is allowed even without licence.

3. Clearly, the image shows children in nazi uniforms. If you think that is not indoctrination, thats your problem. However, you can hardly argue that this is not what the picture shows, and hence, according to discussion on image deletion page that we both participated in (together with other users), it is a valuable picture that shows exactly how far the ustashi will go (who probably, according to your language and image that you want to project of Croatia, live on Mars, and not in your country). Maayaa 13:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Please help on Ancient Egypt
Posted by Pruneau 18:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the AID Maintenance Team

Ante,
This is where you have to trust me... I do not have sockpuppets, I swear on my grandfathers grave. If human honesty means anything to you, please stop accusing me, and I will even help you on figuring out which users are just plain desruptive and help you eliminate them. Thank you. -- serbiana  -  talk  23:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

You're in luck, I've decided to stop contributing to Wiki. enjoy! -- serbiana  -  talk  14:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Jasenovac
Hi, about your Jasenovac question - I did not add any category, but reverted edit to an earlier version which was edited by someone who removed the category and some other things. But I dont see what is your problem, certainly it belongs to History of Croatia as much as to History of BH and History of Republika Srpska. SrbIzLike 15:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Janjevci
Read Tuđman's book! Luka Jačov 07:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

What you want is the WP:AN. Then, if that doesn't work, I think you need to go to WP:RfC and WP:RfAr. The admin who knows about Luka is User:Linuxbeak, but you remember him as the one who was unwound by HRE's bid for administrator privileges. So...--VKokielov 16:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)