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Happy editing! Cheers,  Cassiopeia  talk  01:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Sean Strickland, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.  Cassiopeia  talk  01:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I did cite sources! But thank you for the comments, it is now included in the article as shown previously. Ari9090
 * . Ari9090 (talk) 20:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Ari9090 THIS was your edit and you didnt provide a source. Btw, we dont put controversial just because we think so or one source indicate that. We provide the media scoreling and if the flavor/against ratio is big then we place the word controversial for example in  Petr Yan page - Yan vs. O'Malley - the body indicates the result is controversial as per -media outlet scoring. Cassiopeia   talk  01:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, that makes sense; but your referencing of the outlet scorings is scorecards from the media shouldn't be considered as a source for a "controversial" result - these websites use scorecards from all MMA websites that are accurate, and if you were to look up Strickland vs Cannonier, you would see several of the more community MMA sites score the bout for Strickland.
 * Definitely shouldn't have immediately written the word "controversial" - yes, I am a newbie in the Wikipedia world - but you (or more generally, we) shouldn't be relying on media outlet sources to label a bout as controversial. Just my advice as an MMA enthusiast. Ari9090 (talk) 02:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This is the norm in Wikipedia fighters' pages when stating a fight is controversial. One source is not enough nor two, same as one might says contraversial, another source says close fight and etc., just like one source stating XXX fighter a GOAT but few other sources would state fighter YYY. If we could get "many" sources to indicate a fight is controversial, then that is easy to cite; however, majority is not the case. Cassiopeia  talk  02:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * True, but when a fight is truly controversial in its scoring, you will have many websites that indicate this. Historically, we've seen this in MMA, and Strickland's bout vs Cannonier is no different; it was criticized due to the 49-46 scorecard for Strickland, but weirdly the same 49-46 for Cannonier - meaning that one of the judges scored it 4 rounds to 1 for Cannonier, and vice versa for Strickland. This can be considered as a controversial result. You can find sources, just don't have the time/too lazy to do so lmao Ari9090 (talk) 13:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Understand why you think this way as you are not familiar with the Wikipedia guidelines (many, many guidelines) and editing norm as you are new to Wikipedia. This is Wikipedia and the editor who edit the page is the one who needs to provide the sources to support the claim for verification thus it is you need to prove the source since you changed the info. Secondly, it is not up to us to say what our opinion, but as per Wikipedia guidelines which is provide independent, reliable sources for verification and our opinions (which is the source) is considered not not reliable as per Wikipedia guidelines since we are all anonymous editor. I suggest you to familiar with all the fundamental guidelines and editing norm to understand how things work here. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia</b>  talk  01:30, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Didn't say anything about opinion or Wikipedia's guidelines, I've already familiarized myself with them. Take care. Ari9090 Ari9090 (talk) 04:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I know but just add additional info.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FF8000"> Cassiopeia</b>  talk  04:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Okok Ari9090 (talk) 01:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

MMA related articles
Hi Ari9090, Greetings. Since you have edited a number of pages of MMA related articles in Wikipedia, pls see the below info so you may understand how things work here.

 MMA related artcles 
 * 1) Pls visit WikiProject Mixed martial arts and read through the MMA Wikipedia guidelines.
 * 2) When a bout is announced which stating "finalizing, in work, rumors, verbally agreed,  in the press, this means the bout is not official yet. Wait until it official before place it under the "Announced bouts" section of the event page.
 * 3) When a bout is announced in the press, editors put the match up in the  "Announced bouts" section (inline citation is needed)
 * 4) When UFC.com / its local web site (pls check the reference beneath the fight card table in the Wikipedia page), the editors would remove the bout in the "Announced bouts" and place it in the "fight card" section.
 * 5) When a fighter pulls from a fight (due to injury/or by UFC/ visa issues and etc), we placed the info in the "Background section" (inline citation needed) and remove the injured fighter name and put "TBD".
 * 6) When a injured fighter has been replaced, editor put the info in the background section (with inline citation). If the new match up has not been shown in the UFC.com fight card, then we will removed the match up from the fight card and place it back to "Announced section". If the match up already shown in the UFC.com then jut put the replacement fighter in the fight card section.
 * 7) When the event named has been announced (such as UFC Fight Night: dos Santos vs. Tuivasa) then we place the info in the background section (with inline citation). If UFC.com has shown the event names (Fight Night events or UFC on ESPN) such as  UFC Fight Night: Cowboy vs. Medeiros or UFC on ESPN: Reyes vs. Weidman, then editor would move the article and article talk page name accordingly and not before, except the flagship event  such as UFC 187, UFC 242 and etc.
 * 8) No colour box in the fighter's page infobox  at event fight card page. No title eliminator in the fight card or body text in fighter page or event page. No (c) - champion on the event fight card unless the fighter is the current champion of the weight division.
 * 9) "method" in the fight table is as per Sherdog.com as per WP:MMA guideline and please do not interpret the method yourself even if the method is incorrect as Wikipedia is all about WP:verification and not the true.
 * 10) Info box as per Sherdog. No other nick names or else we would have many nicknames pop up every time there is a internet meme.
 * 11) Reach as per UFC.com as Sherdog dont have the info. Pls provide inline citation.
 * 12) Stand - need to provide inline citation. IF you can find source to support it, leave it blank
 * 13) Style - "The style parameter should only be used in MMA fighters that have participated professionally or in international competitions in other combat sports (i.e. boxing or kickboxing) and who are notable in said sports and deserve an article for their merits in these other sports (i.e. Antônio Rogério Nogueira, Alistair Overeem). It is suggested to MMA editors that they actively remove the style parameter in infoboxes of MMA fighters that do not meet these criteria." Leave style for modern mma fighter as they have to train several combat disciplines.
 * 14) No Flag icon on info box or fight table.
 * 15) Info could be obtain from Sherdog on Info box - need to support by sources such as teachers, belts, notable relatives, university, occupation outside fighting career and etc.

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 * 1) Pls read referencing to understand about referencing and how to provide inline citation.
 * 2) Leave a brief edit summary before saving you edit, so other editors know the nature of your edit for Wikipedia is the collaboration work from many editors.
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 * 1) I have sent you the welcome message, kindly register and read through links. Thank you.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FF8000"> Cassiopeia</b>   talk  02:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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Kevin Holland - source
Hi Ari9090, Pls note that your edits were reverted. we dont use mma database as the source. For the body text we use independent reliable source with the source talk about the info in detail and in lenght - see here for the new source i have place. We use only Sherdog mma database for the fight result in the fight table as per Wikipedia MMA guidelines. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FF8000"> Cassiopeia</b>  talk  07:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)