User talk:Arieam

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Jessica Jung
In your last edit summary, you said that a secondary source would be redundant, because B&E has an established article. Whether another topic has an article or not is irrelevant, information still needs to be reliably sourced by secondary sources. What you said pretty much comes across as “go to another article and find the source there”. If it’s in Jung’s article, it needs to be sourced in Jung’s article with an inline citation, not something mentioned in an edit summary. Alexanderlee (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * That's not what I said. I said "it should be enough to name her a fashion entrepreneur, seeing as she established a fashion brand. B&E's established wiki page linked in that paragraph should be reliable enough so we don't need a redundant secondary source." B&E's established wiki page is linked in the paragraph along with the fact that she established it, so it would be redundant to add a secondary source. That sentence isn't even sourced because it links to B&E's wiki page.

Now as for her being named a fashion designer, I think because B&E was mentioned in that paragraph, then writing fashion designer after singer and actress should be valid, just like the fact that singer and actress aren't cited but have other wiki pages linked to corroborate the fact that she was in a certain tv show or in a certain musical act. But anyway, if her establishing B&E is not enough to identify her as a fashion designer, then it should be enough to identify her as a fashion entrepreneur.


 * you’re not understanding what I’m saying, though. Linking to another article absolutely does not replace a source. Sources are still needed. Being a singer and actress isn’t sourced, because her singing activities and written about extensively throughout the article, and are all sourced. Her being a fashion designer isn’t mentioned, or sourced. The article mentions her establishing B&E, but that doesn’t automatically mean that she also designs, which is why it should be mentioned, and sourced that she does. Alexanderlee (talk) 22:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Ok fair enough. But it should be enough to name her as a fashion entrepreneur right?


 * I haven’t even said that she isn’t a fashion designer, only that it needs to be sourced. Alexanderlee (talk) 02:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Yea I get that. What i mean is it must be enough to name her a fashion entrepreneur, having a statement in the introductory paragraph that says she established a brand without having to provide a source after "Jessica jung is a singer, actress and fashion entrepreneur." Her having established a brand is enough to name her a fashion entrepreneur right? I only ask because it seems redundant to provide a source for fashion entrepreneur in this case. I get that fashion designer would need a source because her establishing a brand doesn't necessarily mean she's a designer and that more information needs to be written up on her work in fashion.