User talk:Arilicious

Welcome!
Hi, Arilicious. Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for the polite note you left on my Talk Page; I'd be more than happy to discuss my edits with you, and answer any questions I can if it helps you learn the ropes (See the little userboxes at the top of my User Page). I'm glad to see another editor joining the RW articles! For quite some time I labored on them alone, until some good, solid editors like Plastikspork, Wikiguy09 and DPH1110 showed up to make my job easier, so welcome to the club! :-)

I apologize if my edits carry the appearance that I'm undoing your edits; I assure you it is not my intent to undo any valid edits by anyone, as I'm just trying to tweak things here and there, according to policy, just as everyone does. I'll try to explain my rationale for some of these.

Regarding List of The Real World cast members, the changes I made to the article was to 1. Add another couple of images, 2. change the word "novel" to "graphic novel" in Judd Winick's caption, since that's what he's holding, and 3. change the format of the Notes and References section. Although there is some stylistic disagreement among Wikipedians on that last issue, I believe that articles should be as consistent across the project as possible. Since the most common name for the section under which footnotes are inked to the inline citations in the article body is "References" (unless there is also a list of non-linked sources, in which case, the footnotes go under a "Notes" section, and the list of sources goes under a "References" section under that), that was the format into which I copyedited it.

As far as the list of seasons article, I haven't edited that article in a year, so I'm guessing you were referring to a different article. I'm guessing you may have been referring to the Back to New Orleans article, even though you didn't mention that one explicitly, since you did mention sources and my changing things (which I'm guessing referred to the premiere synopsis). Yes, I did initially remove unsourced material during the first of my three edits, such as the ages of some of the cast members. I did restore most of that in the subsequent edits by adding sources, but some stuff, like the description of McKenzie as "bubbly", for example, remained out. The most fundamental core policies of Wikipedia pertain to the requirement that all material added to articles be accompanied by a reliable, verifiable source that is explicitly cited in the article. Original research is not permitted, nor are personal opinions of editors, as the only opinions allowed in articles are those sourced to people considered reliable authorities in the relevant field (Roger Ebert's opinion in a film article, A Washington Post journalist's in an article about a politician, a CBG column in an article about comic books, etc.) This is why, for example, instead of saying "Ryan is promiscuous", I wrote "'MTV describes him as 'promiscuous'", with a citation at the end of that passage indicating which source that info comes from. I'm not pointing fingers, mind you, because when I started out, I myself sometimes added stuff that in retrospect, did not follow these policies. (I remember once referring to Amaya from The Real World: Hawaii as "voluptuous" in her Table bio, since I was just trying to describe the cast; now I cringe when I think about that.)

The synopsis is admittedly an area where things are a big more subjective, but the format that has emerged in the RW articles, especially the ones that have the well-formatted synopses, contains a summary of the episode's most salient plot points. Since this usually ends up being a description of the conflicts or cast member revelations, I added and removed details that I felt best summarized those plot points and conflicts. I didn't think Ryan being bought a drink by the guy was the most salient point (it was being kissed on the neck that set him off, not being bought the drink), and since he said a number of things in at least three different scenes that the others found offensive, I tried to convey this by summarizing them, rather than being so specific with the "I feel like killing myself" comment.

Obviously I do not regard my edits as set in stone, as many others have improved upon my edits, and vice versa. WP:Consensus and WP:Collaboration, after all, are another couple of fundamental site policies, so if you ever feel that my edits are not following policy, contain errors, or could use improvement, then remember to BE BOLD! :-)

As far as how to make references, WP:Citing Sources tells you all you need. It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it. The most basic way to make references is described in that pages "Summary" section. A good thing to know also is how to cite a single source multiple times in an article. You can see that in the "Footnotes" section of that page, or just go here.

I apologize for babbling; My posts are not usually this verbose, but as a new editor, I wanted to make as good an impression as I could about being helpful to a newbie, and transparent about my edits. If you have any questions, just ask. Nightscream (talk) 07:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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 * Dear Ari,


 * Please come visit Colorado when you get a chance. Feel free to drop me a note anytime.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  16:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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I was talking about Fuse TV, I didn't realize I was making a link to a disambigation page. My bad. Arilicious (talk) 20:41, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The Real World
Hi. Are you aware of the cite error in the References section? Nightscream (talk) 04:39, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, again. I took a closer look at edits from two days ago, and was disturbed at what I saw. I noticed three things:
 * You removed some of the material that was in the article and sourced to Vevmo (though you left the Vevmo citations in), such as the passage about Laura attending the University of Nebraska at Omaha and the passages on the two Brandon's nicknames, yet you offered no rationale for this or any edit summary whatsoever when making these edits.
 * You added unsourced biographical information to the cast table, in violation of Wikipedia's Verifiability and Source Citation policies. I presume that some of this material comes from MTV's website, but in addition to not including citations, at least some of it is not on MTV's site either. For example, a passage you added to Laura's biography states "Laura was adopted shortly after birth due to her biological parents inability to raise another child" How can someone be biologically unable to raise another child?? Did you mean to write that they were biologically unable to conceive another child? Where does this information come from?
 * When you added this new material, you placed it in between the previous passages that were sourced to Vevmo and the citations that supported that material, which gives the appearance that new material is supported by Vevmo.

Can you explain this?

In addition to those things, there's also the matter of the cite error you left in the References section, without apparently fixing it or asking anyone else for help, and the fact that in your edits to this article on the Real World: Denver article, you persistently using slang or inappropriately informal wording. Remember, this is an encyclopedia, and as such, its content must be written in a dispassionate, formal tone, without informalities.

Please stop. While I appreciate the fact that you're willing to take some of the workload off my shoulders, and commend you for being only the second person after myself to take on the task of writing Cast tables and episode summaries, there are policies and guidelines on Wikipedia that must be followed. Write properly, with coherent, formal English, and summarize only the salient information in an episode. When adding material, make sure you cite sources, and place them after the supported passages. Do not remove sourced material without providing a rationale in an edit summary. Use the preview function to make sure that your edits have not created any problems such as citation errors, and if you encounter such problems, don't just leave them there, as that shows a very low regard for this project and the rest of the editing community; try reverting them or asking someone for help. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 06:28, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * First of all, congratulations on your recent graduation.


 * I do not want to kill your confidence; as I said, I'm gratified that there's finally someone else who's willing to write Cast Table bios and episode synopses, and I don't want you to feel that you should stop. But you say you just graduated high school. Didn't you take English courses, in which you had to write book reports and term papers? Is it more work for me? Well, look at the article's edit history. What do you think? All I ask is that you:
 * Look over your additions to make sure they do not use informal language
 * That you cite sources for material when you add it
 * Ask for help if you encounter some problem like a cite error, rather than just leaving it there.
 * Again, if you ever need help or advice, don't hesitate to ask. :-)


 * As for Brandon's nickname, if you want to know where a given piece of information comes from, just look at the source cited at the end of that passage. The "Hollywood" passage is indeed so sourced. Nightscream (talk) 02:30, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No, formal writing on talk pages don't always matter, IMO. I myself speak quite informally on talk pages (in particular when I'm talking with an editor who happens to be a personal friend), or on Facebook or at Nitcentral.com, etc. I tend to be more formal if I'm involved in a debate with someone on a talk page, but if I'm just shooting the shit with someone, I keep it looser. But articles need to follow WP:TONE. If you want more places to write informally, I invite you to Nitcentral.com. It's got messages boards on every subject (I moderate Movies and Political Musings myself), and the people there are very nice. You can also look me up Facebook if you want. Nightscream (talk) 04:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Regarding your recent edit summary, you can learn how to cite a source multiple times using the ref name tag, which you learn to do at WP:REFNAME. It's really simple.

Also, please make sure not to put spaces in front of citations. As indicated by WP:PAIC, cites should go right after the end of the passage they support. Hope that helps. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 08:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No prob. Nightscream (talk) 01:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * That's great. Go for it. :-) Nightscream (talk) 20:51, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey. Good to see that you're continuing to beef up the Vegas episode synopses. I have a suggestion: If you're going to mention that one castmember admonished another to better deal with situations through methods other than starting rumors about others, it is important to establish clearly what the rumor-mongering you were alluding to is about. Who was Irulan starting rumors about? And what situation was Alton talking about? Was Irulan starting rumors about the female castmembers because they characterized Marc as a "molester"? Let me know. If you want, I can re-add that info to the article. Nightscream (talk) 19:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * So the "rumor" in question was that he was a molester? Did Alton actually the use the word "rumor", or was he just objecting to the name-calling? Nightscream (talk) 17:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

But why would Alton tell this to Irulan if it was the other women who called him a child molester? Nightscream (talk) 17:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, why would he include Irulan in this, if she wasn't among the women using that word? If it was just the other women using that epithet, why wouldn't he restrict his admonition to them? Nightscream (talk) 17:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


 * So the the conversation in which the word "molester" was bandied about was one in which all the women participated, including Irulan, I take it?


 * Btw, where are you seeing these episodes? Nightscream (talk) 00:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sorry if I didn't get it initially. Nightscream (talk) 03:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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 * I read what you showed me, I do not see a problem with having the Top Model articles filled with details about each individual episodes. The summaries have been there for a very long, as long as I can remember, and sometimes, fans like to look back in the pages and re-read the episode summaries. I do not believe that it causes the pages to be too long, since if fans are the only ones reading those details, then why would they be bothered seeing it then? And if it's such a hassle for a casual reader to get through, they can easily just scroll right past it if it bothers them so much. I do not think this causes cruft, as the episode summaries tend to stick to just that individual season's page, it's not like there are articles about every individual contestant from the show, nor are there articles about each individual episode. I think it would be better to ask for improvement of the article episode summaries, rather than removing them altogether. Arilicious (talk) 00:07, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The episode summaries contained a lot of info which only fans would be interested in (it was also largely unverified). They also did not reflect Wikipedia's intended encyclopedic tone and would have required a fundamental rewrite to become encyclopedic, and were also clear-cut contraventions of WP:IINFO. I and some other editors have been working towards the removal of cruft, and replacing it with more encyclopedic descriptions. I haven't got round to doing most of the cycles' episode summaries, but I hope to soon. Meanwhile, if you are interested in helping out in the improvement of Top Model-related articles, you are welcome to join WikiProject Top Model. Thanks and regards, Linguist  00:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I would be glad to help join WikiProject Top Model if that means fixing up the episode summaries, making them perhaps briefer and adding citations, if possible? I do not find them unnecessary, even if they are something only fans are interested in, I do not see that as a bad thing. An article can appeal to fans as well as sound encyclopedic. But I still believe that they should be there. Arilicious (talk) 03:06, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * In general, I think it's best to keep them short, briefly detailing the challenges, photo shoots, and who was eliminated/quit/whatever. Things to avoid include arguments between contestants, contestants' personal backgrounds, the judges' feedback and who "excelled" and who "struggled" at what shoot/challenge. I've already done this at cycles 1, 2, 3 and 19's articles; other users have done so at Australia's cycles' articles. To join the project, add  to the participants list. If you like, another thing you can do to help is place the WikiProject Top Model template on the talk pages of all articles that are covered by the project where I haven't got round to doing it (versions' television channels, contestants, presenters, judges and other cast members, producers etc.).  Linguist  06:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand wanting to keep the episode summaries brief, but do you not think that these summaries that you have written are perhaps too brief? Simply saying "This week they did a photoshoot for swimwear, and whats-her-name was eliminated" is a little too brief. I agree that saying which contestants "excelled" or "struggled" with the photoshoot is unnecessary, as well as minor arguments or the judges small comments. But if it is a notable moment (Tyra vs. Tiffany in c4, the Granola fight in c5) can that be included? Also I think we should include reasons why the contestant was eliminated or in the bottom two. Again, keep the summaries relatively brief, but still have enough details to be able to read like a story in a way. Arilicious (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi again, sorry for the late reply. I'd like to say that I too feel that the summaries may be a bit too brief. Still, I haven't been sure how to write episode summaries like this. One key policy here is Wikipedia's strict policy on how we write about living persons, which dictates that anything written about a living person that is negative in tone and unsourced must be removed, especially if potentially defamatory, and that anything that may be viewed as controversial must be supported by a citation to a reliable source. We must also make sure that the summaries don't lend undue weight to certain aspects. I think we may need more opinions on this, so I may file a request for comment at Top Model's talk page. Linguist 12:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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