User talk:ArisIgOr

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Help me: Sources
Please help me with... Hello,

I work for the Sommers-Bausch Observatory at the University of Colorado and one of my background projects is updating our website and Wikipedia page. Due to my employment, I have access to a lot of primary sources as they are hung on the Observatory walls. To make them available online for referencing in the page, I have to scan them and then host them on our website, which would seem suspicions to me if I was not aware of this process. A number of our photos there also say that the photo/scan credit is to the University of Colorado Norlin Archives, but are not available via the look-up system of the Archives I as an undergraduate am allowed.

I was wondering a few things: 1) If repeatedly linking back to the same pages multiple times in one article would be cause for concern. 2) The best way to host these scans if 1 is a cause for concern. 3) If I should wait until someone with more authority than me (the Observatory Manager, for example, as I've already asked) to reach out to the Archives for better links and scans.

My apologies for changing the page so suddenly, though the process has made me much more trusting in how thoroughly vetted Wikipedia is.

If anyone has any direction or advice for this situation, it would be much appreciated! ArisIgOr (talk) 16:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, what sorts of things are you talking about as being primary sources hung on the observatory walls? Are they never-before-published documents like letters and photographs?  Or are they things that have been previously published?
 * Wikipedia does not require that sources be online. It does require that sources have been published. It also (somewhat counterintuitively to most academics) prefers secondary sources to primary sources. See our guidelines on reliable sources and primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Observatory is fairly small, so a lot of these documents haven't been published in books or anything physical besides in the Observatory itself. We have copies of letters between the Regents and faculty and images from when the Observatory was being built, but I believe that the originals are in Norlin's Rare and Distinctive Collections department, which requires a scheduled access in person. Therefore, the vast majority of what we have besides what we can scan and upload isn't published or accessible to the general public or anyone curious about our sources. You can find where it's located and some information on what that part of the collection is, but not the actual thing. Would that be sufficient enough?
 * As for secondary sources, the observatory is seldom mentioned in the history of places such as NCAR and the High Altitude Observatory. Other websites discussing the Observatory are less professional (like Trip Advisor for example) or directly copy the header part of the Wikipedia page. There is one other archive with the Boulder Public Library that I was able to find, but a lot of the content for anything past the 50's is in a similar situation to the Rare and Distinctive Collections.
 * So TLDR: The documents to my knowledge haven't been published elsewhere as most of our sources are in archives that can only be accessed in person. The secondary source for these would be our website, but then that could seem suspicious to just link back to ourselves.
 * Sorry for all the trouble and thank you! ArisIgOr (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The point of sourcing Wikipedia is so people can independently verify information if they want to, keeping the Wikipedia article reliable. It would be difficult to do so if the sources can only be accessed in person, particularly if the access needs to be scheduled. Therefore, being published is still a requirement, at least in spirit. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 19:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)