User talk:Arjun024/Archive 2

Speedy deletion declined: Rohit-Surname
Hello Arjun024. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Rohit-Surname, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. The Wordsmith Communicate 05:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, i couldn't help myself CSDing it because i found no rationale in keeping the Copy-Paste article Rohit-Surname when another article Rohit exists,that has exactly the same contents and citations. I would like to know how you think.  Arjun  024  08:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it seems like I clicked the "decline" button instead of the "delete" button accidentally. Upon further review, it meets the A10 criterion, and I have deleted it. The Wordsmith Communicate 16:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Your notice regarding IPs
Your notice at the top of the page saying you will not respond to IP users is discriminatory, uncivil, and not a sign of good faith. I really suggest you reconsider your opinion. Auntie E. (talk) 23:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, on repeated contemplation of your opinion, i think you are right. That was discriminatory and uncivil. I regret and remorse for my indiscretion. Thank you for the effort to enkindle my Buddhi :) .  Arjun  024  10:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad I can help, and glad you took my advice kindly. And happy editing to you! :) Auntie E. (talk) 16:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

tribals you right
you are right since tribal make up 8 percent of India population, i assumed tribalism was a religion as swell sorry about man thanks Mughalnz (talk) 09:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Its fine, Mughal.  Arjun  024  16:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Modi
Sorry about the propergandist(pracharak) part i thought propergate would mean propergandist,but it is biased for me to decide wat it means.So i wrote the exact meaning But everything else is reliably ref.images are added to the section that are relevant to it cannot censure what happened in his tenure.Mughalnz (talk) 10:37, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Also to say that modi led perfect development to all section of Gujarat society would be misleading ,especially when it said and ref from The Hindu such as farmers and environmentalist from Gujarat. But there is no doubt about development Modi brought to Gujarat especially in industries and infrastructure which i also stated. BJP criticism of Modi is also relevant to autobiography no one is perfect this includes modi (who ever else) especially when it ref from India DNA .Also what was the aftermath of the criticism is relevant when it had genuwinely worried gujarat leadersMughalnz (talk)
 * My point was that a section titled "side effects of ...." cannot contain things like he increased the height of dam, and farmers were unhappy because industries thrived. These are not significant as side effects because the increase in height of dam contributed to producing more power and coming up of new industries very much caused good effects when you look ar the larger picture. Criticism cannot be just for criticism's sake. However they may be mentioned, not under that heading. Thanks for talking this up with me.  Arjun  024  12:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks man ,rising the dam is good for economic point but bad for environmental side of things (water diversion,ecological effect,etc this is what meant by side effect of development,i have tried to balance negative with positive by including the progress in industries and infrastructure .Also although the industries and infrastructure thrived it Gujarati farmers are left out in most industrialization shift from agriculture to services,industries and Manufacturing this was meant by side effects again  ,thanks man.Mughalnz (talk) 13:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)i will try and rewrite the newly added bit better.Mughalnz (talk) 13:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)in development section and early political life

Reply
The data is for Kozhikode Urban which might include Vadakara etc. but should not make much difference. Data for Kozhikode Corporation could not be found. Any help in sourcing this would be appreciated. Thank you.

Choosetocount (talk) 22:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, then what do you say to cut-pasting that table into the article Kozhikode District; the reason is Kozhikode city has seen a massive influx of migrants from other districts (esp Malappuram) over the years, making the demographic recipe of "Kozhikode city" much different from other areas of the district. And, i have been looking up for data on Kkd city, but in vain.  Arjun  024  08:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The Buddha
Hi Arjuna, I understand that you are trying to improve the article. But to say that the buddha was from "indian subcontinent" is controversial, since the Buddha lived in parts of Nepal as well as India. Either it has to be like this: "...from ancient India and Nepal", or it should be removed completely to avoid controversy. The Buddha spent not less than 30 years (which is significant enough) of his life in the areas within Nepal. He was born in Lumbini which is in today's Nepal, and we must be accurate by including this information. You may say that "Indian Subcontinent" includes Nepal too, but most of the people from Nepal do not consider their country to be part of so called "Indian" subcontinent. And opinion of people matters, more than a handful scholars. I hope you understand my position. Thank you. Sameer (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC).


 * Just because (you claim) most of the people from Nepal do not consider their country to be part of "Indian subcontinent" doesn't put Nepal out of the notion of Indian-subcontinent. There is no dispute to Buddha's Nepal connections; meanwhile "Indian subcontinent" has some cultural connotations as well more than being a geographical locator, which "South Asia" lacks. Thank you for talking up this topic in here.  Arjun  024  14:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

regarding cleanup of Kozhikode
Hi, I see that you are interested in Kozhikode article. Can you find someone who can do the cleanup of a section of Kozhikode. Is it possible to notify advanced users to do this work? How do we expand certain sections like economy? the article is listed as start class. I was wondering if we could get it to a higher level. any suggestions? thanking you.

Choosetocount (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I was about to suggest cooking up an article "History of Kozhikode" (u must have guessed this coming!); but ... . Arjun  024  17:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

nice work there; BTW. Arjun 024  17:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks. Salih suggested me to shorten the history section. so i moved it to a new page. thank u.

Choosetocount (talk) 19:38, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Arjun, u have used the word Classical antiquity in ur latest edit to the introduction to History of Kozhikode. But Classical antiquity is a specific term refering to periods until 1000 A.D. And Calicut was established only in 1034 A.D and became a major port by 13th or 14th century. pls look into it. thank u.

Choosetocount (talk) 20:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I acknowledge the contradiction that has arose due to my recent edit. I was mostly led to that edit from the article Spice trade copy-paste: "As early as 80 BC, Alexandria became the dominant trading center for Indian spices entering the Greco-Roman world.[1] Indian ships sailed to Egypt. The thriving maritime routes of Southern Asia were not under the control of a single power,[9] but through various systems eastern spices were brought to the major spice trading port of Calicut in India"...

Moreover, a google led me to many sources linking the Greeks and Romans to Calicut during their heydays exclusively for spice trade;

"From time immemorial there used to be trade with Greek and Roman Empire which can be perused from the treatise of the great historian Plini when there was export of silk, muslin, spice and condiment through Calicut port to the Greek and Roman Empire"

Nature Publishing Group, UM-MEDSEARCH Gateway - 1941 (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=n8ACAAAAIAAJ):

"Pepper was well known to Theophrastus in the fourth century, BC, and to Dioscorides and Pliny, the former stating it to be a product of India. Its export from Barake on the Malabar coast, near Calicut, is recorded in AD 64, and black pepper is one of the spices on which the Romans levied duty at Alexandria about AD 176."

-for calicut being a centre of trade prior to 1034 CE- The Modern review by Ramananda Chatterjee - 1959 (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=-A8kAQAAIAAJ)

"A number of Greek travellers wrote about the trade in the first century AD. This voyage from India to Egypt consumed two years and the centres of trade were Broach and Calicut on the western coast of India".

-Cheers. Arjun 024  07:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

i didnot intend to rm "Middle Ages"; but only to add Cl Antiquity to it- the removal happened by my mistake. I meant to put "During Classical antiquity and the Middle Ages, Calicut was dubbed the "City of Spices" for its role as the major trading point of eastern spices". And now i am not able to edit it back; wiki aint showing my edits (Tek prob or some bug). Arjun 024  08:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably the references are to beypore which is a known ancient port near present calicut. thanks.

Choosetocount (talk) 05:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I see that most of the sources I encountered refer to Calicut per se; Only one of the above srcs i furnished refer to a place beside Calicut.  Arjun  024  06:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * How do we then reconcile this contradiction- calicut being an ancient port and calicut been established in 1034 A.D and according to our article, Prof. narayanan's and Sreedhara Menon's books developed into a powerful port only in the 13th or 14th century? probably ur sources are using calicut more vaguely to refer to beypore or Tyndis like how we use calicut as the port where Gama landed when in fact he landed in Kappad. cheers

Choosetocount (talk) 06:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest we harmonize by noting both. ->Historians' 1034 date as well as sources mentioning about Calicut of times well before that. Let us not pen down any inferences or generalizations of our own. !? Rgs.  Arjun  024  06:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC) see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Kozhikode&action=historysubmit&diff=359796230&oldid=359603536

Content on Dalit Christians
Can you guys please discuss this on the talk page? Thanks. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 10:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Roger that. Arjun  024  14:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hindu
Great catch! Abecedare (talk) 21:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank You!. Arjun  024  21:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Redcliff Line vs Redcliff Award.
FYI: Redcliff line is between present India- present Pakistan. Redcliff Award is between present Bangaldesh- prsent India.

In Redcliff Line article, present conditions of CHT is also mentioned. How CHT present condition is realted to Redcliff Line??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.251.59.182 (talk) 07:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have replied at the article's talk page. Thank you for talking this up here  Arjun  codename024 16:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Issues with Mughalnz
After reviewing your disputes with Mughalnz and some of that user's contributions, I'm surprised that such a biased anti-NPOV individual can edit so freely here. He seems content to remove anything against Islam and Pakistan but seems to have a burning hatred for India and Israel. Anyways, I'll keep an eye on said user's edits and revert anything outrageous but as it's not really my area of expertise, I don't want to delve too deep into the matter. Let me know though if you need a second opinion on an issue though. Vedant (talk) 01:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have always felt that his/her innate partisan attitude to be threatening many good articles in article. He/She seem to be having a very high level of prejudice and then set out in search of sources to back-up his prejudices. (Not that i haven't googled something which i felt could be true) but its irritating that he/she makes nearly all his/her contributions to that regard. But as a matter of fact, he/she has been willing to talk, which is a consolation. I will keep you posted on any such issues if i encounter any. pls let me know about such issues so that i can participate in discussions. Thanks and warm regards.  Arjun  codename024 04:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I will monitor said user's contributions and let you know if he pushes his POV. As a side note, his three favourite articles for "fixing" include Human rights in India, Human rights in Israel and Kashmir conflict.Vedant (talk) 02:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

undue weight?
The Baha'i faith in India has the largest population of Baha'is on earth according to most sources. http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_bahai.html I don't know where you get your undue weight ideas from. Bahá'í Faith in India has a long history as this page clearly demonstrates. In my opinion this was very much a neutral paragraph. If you will, you can off course remove 1 sentence to give equal validity. I will now undo your revert until further notice. Thanks for reviewing my considerationIwanttoeditthissh (talk) 11:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, let me explain my why i changed your version; it was mentioning presence in a city while the article was about a country;; It was talking about the lotus temple, a house of worship which we don't deal in leads (pls notice that Akshardam temple and Jama masjid in Delhi do not find mention here). Then, you penned it has a long history. Considering that Bahai faith itlsef is a 19th century construct, it is factually wrong in this context because in that section we are dealing with six religions that are more than 2 millenniums old. Well, i admit that leaving out the image was uncalled for.

What do you say to the following edit proposal: -START- Zoroastrianism and Judaism also have an ancient history in India and each has several thousand Indian adherents. India has the largest population of people adhering to Zoroastrianism and Bahá'í Faith anywhere in the world. Bahá'ís make up 0.2% of the Indian population
 * Remove the last sentence you just added (The Bahá'í Faith in India has a steady presence making up 0.2% of the Indian population, with a Bahá'í House of Worship called Lotus Temple due to its flowerlike shape as a prominent attraction in Delhi.)
 * Modify the 4th para in lead as;

--END--

. Arjun  codename024 14:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

cheers
Yes, that looks fine. Leave some nicer comments on my talk page will you? lol. Thanks for your inputIwanttoeditthissh (talk) 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * :D  Arjun  codename024 07:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Lahore
I saw the claim that said user instated and I'm not sure I agree with it either. However, after review of several of his contributions, I don't think he is a vandal but it's clear that said user has a bias. That being said, he has also reverted vandalism to Indian articles like the one on Asal Uttar.

Having taken a look at the citations that the user instated particularly and, I have come to the conclusion that said user's edits on the topic are wrong and do not accurately convey the information presented by these sources. To paraphrase, both of these sources seem to agree that Pakistan was decisively defeated and that Indian forces halted their advance into Lahore voluntarily and not due to Pakistani military intervention. I left a message for the user on his talk page and am in the process of adjusting the article to conform to these claims. Vedant (talk) 23:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have edited the article, please let me know what you think. Another article I have issues with is the Battle of Chawinda but as I'm unable to find any reliable information, I'm going to leave the article as is for now. I have no issue with the details pertaining to the outcome of the battle but my main issue is that the whole thing is told like a story, features original research and has an abundance of uncited claims.
 * Thanks, Vedant (talk) 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure whether it was India's intent to capture Lahore or not but I don't think it was to show deterrence in the context of Operation Gibraltar either. Information on this battle is somewhat scarce and I'm hesitant to take information from Indian and Pakistan military sites as I don't think they are the most neutral or reliable sources particularly for such a sensitive topic. Nonetheless there is some information in this article. Thanks, Vedant (talk) 05:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Good catch on the article. I'm pretty sure the 76.xxx.xxx.xxx range is home to a Pakistani POV-pushing vandal. See Asian Space Race as well as the comments he left on my talk page. Vedant (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Here are a few more offending IPs:
 * Special:Contributions/76.69.61.156
 * Special:Contributions/76.69.61.218
 * Special:Contributions/76.69.61.249
 * Special:Contributions/76.69.62.12
 * Special:Contributions/76.20.17.213


 * Thanks, Vedant (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Indian Expressways
I was just wondering if you could take a look at thie article and let me know what you think. The basis of my issue can be found here on User:Abecedare's talk page. I'm just not a fan of removing a cited source but Kuwar seems to disagree. Since I don't like messy revert wars, I've kept it as is for now. Suffice it to say, Wikipedia should present a neutral point of view and while we are all supportive of our home countries, it's wrong to state uncited figures when cited ones exist IMO. Thanks, Vedant (talk) 14:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am in. Arjun  codename024 14:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * That's what I feel too. I'm not saying I don't believe that the Indian Road Network could be larger but based on what the facts say, it is 200 for now. If we add numbers as we please, we'd be no better than the vandals and POV-pushers whom we combat. Thanks, Vedant (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I think as of 2006 is good. I kept a similar claim on the Indian Road Network article. Obviously the situation has improved since 2002 but as 2002 is the most up-to-date figure, I decided to keep it in the lede as the World Bank is a credible source. Vedant (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, just wanted to let you know that the latest citation I provided indicates that 3,500+ km of dedicated expressways should be added to the network soon so hopefully this figure will get updated. Vedant (talk) 17:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Lahore and "The Eternal City"
I agree that "The Eternal City" shouldn't be included as a nickname for Lahore; however, I've reverted you as it looks like you added this claim rather than removing it ;-)

Apologies if I've misunderstood, and do please feel free to revert me. Lahore isn't a subject I follow closely, and I may well have misunderstood your edit summary.

Cheers, TFOWRpropaganda 13:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Adam Mickiewicz
both are good, the first is full name, the second is just surname--marekchelsea (talk) 12:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah well, i know how Adam is pronounced. Just confused with Mickiewicz. Now, i take it that you are saying the listen link in the article in correct. Right?  Arjun  codename024 12:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Right, Mickiewicz is good pronounced in this article.--marekchelsea (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Fine. Thank You  Arjun  codename024 12:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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