User talk:Arkham4321

Poison Ivy
Hello. If you're new here, you need to know that we're not allowed to simply ignore sources and edit the article as we see fit. Perhaps you're fond of the Ivy/Harley relationship, but this is not the place to express that. We edit based on a neutral point of view. The sources do not state that they have anything more than an occasional romance, so that is what needs to be stated in the article. James26 (talk) 19:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I'm James26. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. ''Again, please do not ignore the sources. Ivy and Harley are stated to be occasional partners. This will be reported of you persist.'' James26 (talk) 19:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I’m well aware of Wikipedia’s rules. DC has confirmed them as girlfriends both in and out of the comics which was included in the sources before they were removed. You may not be aware of this but anti-lgbtq+ POVs are not neutral. The Harley Quinn show and the word of the show runners is non canon. If you’re removing the partnership based on semantics then you should be removing every single comic book partner ship because none of them are truly permanent. Arkham4321 (talk) 19:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Reporting. James26 (talk) 19:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

The sources state that they have an occasional relationship in the comics. Read the article please. That is what the article needs to states, regardless of personal feelings from editors. If you're aware of the rules, respect them please. Thanks. James26 (talk) 19:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. ''Your "interpretation" argument does not stand. The sources directly state that Ivy and Batman have a "sexual tension" and that Harley and Ivy have an "on/off" relationship. She has been occasionally linked to both, and there is no reason to remove this fact unless you simply prefer the Harley relationship. You do not get to rewrite what's in sources based on personal preferences. The sources you inserted, from Twitter, do not claim that Harley and Ivy have a steady romantic relationship. Seek consensus on the Talk Page.'' James26 (talk) 02:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The comics confirm that Harley and Ivy have a steady romantic relationship. DC confirmed that they are polyamorous girlfrinds which means that they were never on/off, the just had multiple love interests. People assumed that they were in an “off” period while they were seeing other people but this was officially proven incorrect. Anyone who reads the comics would know that Harley and Ivy remain in a relationship regardless of who else the other dates. Arkham4321 (talk) 02:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires sources, not just your claims. You need to provide a source with a direct statement that they are in a steady relationship. Otherwise, you can't claim or suggest so in the article. -- James26 (talk) 03:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

And the source should be current, not a five-year-old comment on Twitter. -- James26 (talk) 03:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The source is the comics. There’s no direct line that says “we are in a steady relationship” because no one talks like that and there’s no actual statement from DC because it’s not something that needs to be said aside from them reaffirming that they are girlfriends. If one were to actually read the comics they would see that Harley and Ivy never actually break up. The on/off stuff just comes from confusion of polyamory. Here’s another recent source that confirms their relationship, straight from DC: https://www.dccomics.com/collectibles/dc-designer-series-harley-quinn-poison-ivy-by-emanuela-lupacchino Arkham4321 (talk) 03:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you use that in the article. But you should not be removing the sourced comments about her romantic bond with Batman, because that would be bias. -- James26 (talk) 03:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. You're going to need to add a link to a direct statement that says these fictional characters are in a steady, monogamous relationship. The previous one we added (with the toy figures) does not state that, nor do your references to the comics. Per WP:V, "If reliable sources disagree, then maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight."
 * The new source says, "In recent years, principally through the Harley Quinn stories of Amanda Conner, Jimmy Palmiotti and Chad Yardin, Harley and Poison Ivy have been written as non-monogamous, non-exclusive girlfriends." Therefore, the term "occasional" romantic partner is appropriate, and shouldn't be removed. -- James26 (talk) 23:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

But in those comics they’re steadily non-monogamous. That’s how polyamory works. They’re not on-off or “occasional”, they’re consistently dating each other while also dating other people. That line you just showed me is a valid source that shows that they’re consistently girlfriends, just not in the conventional way. Arkham4321 (talk) 23:10, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You need to provide a link to a source that states, online, that they are monogamous. Your word isn't sufficient. It's nothing personal against you. That's policy. Otherwise, the source which directly states that they are non-monogamous is the one that should be used. -- James26 (talk) 02:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

That’s what I’m trying to say. The source is correct. They are in a non-monogamous relationship, but still one that is steady and consistent. Polyamory doesn’t mean they’re occasionally with each other, it means they’re always with each other plus another person. They’re not exclusive but they are still 100% a couple, just not in the conventional monogamous way. Arkham4321 (talk) 03:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, per Neutral point of view, we're going to directly quote the source and leave our own wording out of it. That is the fairest approach. After that, I think you need to let this go. You've been at this for months. It shouldn't be this important to convince visitors that two fictional characters are in a steady relationship. Please do not change the quote. Thank you. -- James26 (talk) 04:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)