User talk:Art379m

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Conflicts of interest in Wikipedia
Hi Art379m I work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia along with editing about health and medicine. Based on your username and your edits to date, it is very likely that you are affiliated with Alacris Theranostics.

I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things that you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your circle, your organization, its competitors, projects or products;
 * instead propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you.

Comments and requests
Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please reply here and describe your relationship with Alacris? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Please reply here - I am watching this page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 19:53, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Please reply. Jytdog (talk) 12:17, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I want to give you another chance to deal with this reasonably. If you do not reply here and deal with Wikipedia's Terms of Use  - which require you to disclose paid editing, and the COI guideline which obligates you to disclose any COI you have, then I will take this to the conflict noticeboard and will seek to have you indefinitely banned from Wikipedia for violating the Terms of Use and the WP:PROMO content policy.  There is no need for drama - please reply here. Thanks.Jytdog (talk) 11:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * As promised, see below. I am seeking to have you indefinitely blocked from editing Wikipedia. Jytdog (talk) 11:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, sorry for late reply, I am new here and need time to get it going smooth. I am not paid by Alacris theranostics for writing a Wikisite for them. I am not sure if here is the correct place for reply, or I should reply it on your page.
 * There is no "sorry" here - you have ignored me and violated our policies and guidelines and you only now respond when you are going to get indefinitely blocked. No sign of good faith. Try now.   What is your relationship with Alacris? Jytdog (talk) 11:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you going to reply, or not? Jytdog (talk) 12:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I am working in Alacris theranostics. I am not responsible for advertisement and it is not in the frames of my professional duty to write a wikisite.
 * Thank you for replying. In English Wikipedia, you have a full blown conflict of interest with regard to Alacris; you have a very strong obligation to Alacris in the real world.  Do you acknowledge this? Once you do, I will tell you what you should do going forward.  As i wrote above, you can be part of the community but you need to be super ethical here and follow the COI guideline, which I will explain to you, OK?   But first please acknowledge that you have a COI with regard to Alacris and any content in any article related to the company's technologies and markets.  Jytdog (talk) 13:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I have obligation to Alacris, but having NO ANY advertisement task.
 * The obligation to Alacris means that you have a conflict of interest in Wikipedia. I understand that no one told you to write the article. The fact that you have an obligation to Alacris is what creates the COI in Wikipedia.  Do you understand?  If you don't, please ask me to explain.  Jytdog (talk) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I see.
 * OK great. Whew.   OK.  So here is what we ask people who have a conflict of interest to do.
 * To finish the disclosure piece, would you please add a COI disclosure to your user page which is here: User:Art379m (a redlink, because you haven't written anything there yet). Just something simple like: "I work for Alacris Theranostics and have a conflict of interest with regard to Alacris, personalized medicine, and modelling biological systems"  would be fine.


 * I added a tag to Talk:Alacris Theranostics, so the disclosure is done there, so that editors working on the article can see your disclosure. Once you disclose on your user page, the disclosure piece of this will be done.


 * As I noted above, there are two pieces to COI management in WP.  The first is disclosure.  The second is what I call "peer review".  This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense.  In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and volla there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done.  No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world.


 * What we ask editors to do who have a COI and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft, disclose your COI on the Talk page using the appropriate template, and then submit the draft article through the WP:AFC process so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and  b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself.  You can make the edit request easily -  and provide notice to the community of your request -  by using the "edit request" function as described in the conflict of interest guideline.  I made that easy for you by adding a section to the beige box at the top of the Talk page at Talk:Alacris Theranostics -  there is a link at "click here" in that section --  if you click that, the Wikipedia software will automatically format a section in which you can make your request.


 * By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (which I will say more about, if you want).


 * I hope that makes sense to you.


 * I want to add here that per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content.


 * Will you please agree to follow the peer review processes going forward, when you want to work on the x article or any article where your COI is relevant? Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss.  And if you want me to quickly go over the content policies, I can do that. Just let me know.  Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 14:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for detailed description. Could you also please explain how I can make "edit request".
 * Well you can just go to the Talk page, open a section, and propose content with sourcing. If you want to do it more formally --  as I noted above, there is box at the bottom of the "headers" (the beige boxes at the top of the page) of the Talk page; it has an orange line around it and says "Individuals with a conflict of interest, particularly those representing the subject of the article, are strongly advised not to edit the article. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. You may request corrections or suggest content, or contact us if the issue is urgent.".   At those words "request corrections or suggest content" there is a link.  If you clock that link, the Wikipedia software automatically sets up a section on the Talk page for you. Type the proposal in there, sign it, and click save, and done. Jytdog (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you agree to follow that process going forward and really importantly, do you understand why we ask that? Jytdog (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I agree and understand. I need more assistance, please. If I am going to edit a neutral (w/o COI) article, e.g. about "Berlin" or "Fog", do I need "edit request"? Thank you in advance.
 * Oh no you are free to be bold and edit directly anywhere outside your COI.  I have outside interests here too - see my disclosure here.  I have chosen not to edit at all where I have a COI - instead of creating a conflicted situation, I avoid articles where my COI would be at play, so I am the same as anybody else.  Does that make sense?   And I as I noted above, in my view your COI is not just narrowly for Alacris, but it is "active" if you go to write about companies that compete with Alacris, or personalized medicine, or modelling biological systems.  Your commitment to Alacris affects all those things, and just as if you would submit a scientific paper on any of those topics, you would declare your COI (and the journal would require you to), so too you should do in WIkipedia.  OK? Jytdog (talk) 15:15, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for assistance and have a nice day. Art379m (talk) 15:24, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * OK. I want to warn you, that I am not sure that Alacris meets our criteria for whether an article can exist or  not and the article may be nominated for deletion.  The notability criteria are here: WP:NOTABILITY.  I did the best I could to make the article as good as sources will allow... I am just not sure there are enough independent, reliable sources to get it over the bar.  So don't be shocked or upset if somebody puts it up for deletion.  15:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

logistics
You haven't picked up on this, but maybe you have noticed that I indent every time I reply to you, and there is a "signature" on each of my posts? That is what we do here, and you need to start doing it too. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon ":" in front of your comment, and the WP software converts that into an indent; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons "::" which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages. That is how we know who said what. Please do that going forward OK? Jytdog (talk) 15:17, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 11:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)