User talk:Art of Odessa

Speedy deletion nomination of Valentin Khrushch
Hello Art of Odessa,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Valentin Khrushch for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

NaturalSelection (talk) 17:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

All is great now. Thanks

Dear NaturalSelection,

Valentin Khrushch - is one of the founders of the unofficial art in USSR and Odessa nonconformism. The article is based on the Russian analog. To place Valentin Khrushch under deletion is wrong

Valentin Khrushch
Hello, Art of Odessa! Just letting you know that I tagged your new article, Valentin Khrushch, for a lack of reliable citations and for not belonging to any categories. Please don't remove the templates until the problems are resolved. If you have any questions, leave me a message on my talk page!

Rtt11 talk  20:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Good afternoon! Thank you for your help! Valentin Khrushch is a very famous Soviet artist. All materials are based on Russian sources, which we used to create the English version, to acquaint the English-speaking audience with this interesting artist. If possible, we will add links


 * Sounds good! If you have any questions about reliable sources or categories, let me know!
 * Rtt11 talk  20:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Please disclose any COI, and please do not edit articles in which you have a commercial interest or COI. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 12:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As above, please disclose any COI.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:00, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello dear ThatMontrealIP

I don't understand what a problem? I love art and will to make all of this pages more better. All of them are famous ukrainian artist of different time. If you will help to make them better, it's ok and it will be good. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art of Odessa (talk • contribs)
 * Do you have any commmercial interest in these articles, or connection to the artists? Your username sounds a lot like a gallery, and we have many galleries trying to promote their artists here. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:32, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear ThatMontrealIP I really don't haveany commmercial interest in these articles and connection to the artists. I love art and I am very interested in different Ukrainian artists of different directions and time. Therefore, I ask you not to delete what I am doing, it has an informational non-commercial purpose. And I spend my free time on it.

ThatMontrealIP And what about my login. I just live in Odessa and have good knowledge in arthistory of this region and Ukraine as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art of Odessa (talk • contribs)
 * Ok, thank you. Since you have no connection to the artists it is no problem. I will leave you a note at the bottom of this page about how to sign your posts, so that your name shows up.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you one more time! --Art of Odessa (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2020 (UTC) no conflict. thanks

June 2020
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Thank you. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page.   Thank you. Whisperjanes (talk) 01:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I hope this explanation to my earlier edit explains why there is a copyright violation on the Vasiliy Ryabchenko article. The first two sentences of Vasiliy Ryabchenko are directly taken from this source, which is why I rewrote them. I will edit it again for now, but feel free to re-write the sentences in your own words if you'd like. Let me know if you have any questions! Best - Whisperjanes (talk) 01:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok! Thank you for your help and useful tips, will be in touch! --Art of Odessa (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Whisperjanes Hope you are well! Pls check Valentin Khrushch page.I have compiled some links and updated information. --Art of Odessa (talk) 21:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I hope you are doing well too. I can't help you much on the links since many of them are in Russian. Just make sure that whichever links you add at the end of sentences verify all of the facts in the sentence - see WP:INTEGRITY for more information. If you are adding a reference to an already written sentence, then the link you are referencing should support all of the facts in that sentence, not just some of the facts. This might mean you have to re-write or split up certain sentences, or add a citation in the middle of a sentence next to the fact it verifies. - Whisperjanes (talk) 23:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Understand. And what about Lucien Dulfan now? I have written some information + links

Best --Art of Odessa (talk) 18:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Copyright violations
Hello, I have just removed a copyright-violating section from Valentin Khrushch in this edit. It appears that you added it to the article back in 2017. Please be careful about this. Wikipedia has very low tolerance for repeat copyright violations. I know this is an old one and you have apparently changed your ways, but this kind of thing can quickly lead to your account being blocked. be sure not to copy and paste material without proper attribution.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:46, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also on Vasiliy Ryabchenko there appears to be more copyvio. Not good. Was this also from 2017? Have you stopped copying material into articles? Each time you do this it creates work for other editors to clean it up. 01:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I will try to write a unique text this days--Art of Odessa (talk) 07:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia to promote an artist/art gallery?
It's quite unusual to have an artist's visualization of a computer virus appear within the infobox at the heading of a technical article, like CIH (computer virus). As I mentioned in my edit summary when I replaced it, I suppose the image could be included in an Art section within the article, but even then I have my doubts it really belongs there at all, because it really looks like it's here to promote an artist and/or art gallery, especially because you seem really intent on keeping it here, even going to the point of threatening other editors ("If you delete it again, you will be banned", and "Don't touch the article."). &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 15:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I also found it curious that managed to upload a series of copyrighted images to Commons, then the images were all quickly approved via OTRS. That means there is some coordination between Art of Odessa and the artist. Could you explain this please, Art of Odessa?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Now that I've had a little more time to look, I find myself wondering if the account Mr.Perepel plays some role in this little tale here? &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 16:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You are not thinking about that and don’t understand the essence of the issue. I have been studying Ukrainian art for many years, primarily Odessa artists, and I found it appropriate and interesting to add a section" Computer viruses in art ", which directly answers the topic and is backed up by history and articles. It is strange that you didn’t find this particularly interesting and important ... Besides, you are wasting your time deleting my actions, which makes me doubt whether Wikipedia needs such an editor, so I urge you to stop this and start editing your articles if there are any. --Art of Odessa (talk) 13:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You did not answer the question. It seems like you have a strong COI.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed the same thing. Interesting... &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 21:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You're misinterpreting my actions, and making assumptions about my motives. The operative question is not whether or not I find your friend's/brother's/father's/whomever art interesting or important, the question is whether it belongs in an encyclopedia article on a particular variant of a computer virus. If a reader looks up a Ford Mustang, he expects to see a picture of a car, not a piece of interpretive art. If you had inserted the image into an article on computer art, you (most likely) would not have heard a word from me. Based on your behavior, I suspect you are using Wikipedia to promote these artists for some reason.


 * You also told me to go edit "my articles". In Wikipedia, no one "owns" any article, and anyone behaving as though they do are not tolerated for long by the community. For more information, see WP:OWNER. &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 22:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I have already answered that I have no connection with anyone, I am writing about Odessa artists, including the dynasties. And I think that adding a section "Computer viruses in art" is not only appropriate, but also necessary.  This fits the topic and as a section in the article it is needed.  I also propose to put an image in it, which I did.  As the title image, I only put it in those cases when any image was missing.--Art of Odessa (talk) 08:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * How do you explain this image, uploaded here, then approved by OTRS 3 hours later? To get approved the gallery or artist has to send permission. You obviously have some part in that. it is the same situation with most of the images you have uploaded.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not taking part. It is obvious that everyone is reacting very quickly today. --Art of Odessa (talk) 14:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ThatMontrealIP By the way, if you have the time and desire, I need help in finalizing the article about Lucien Dulfan. I will be grateful. --Art of Odessa (talk) 14:51, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You were sockpuppeting on Wikimedia commons; it is obvious you are not being honest here. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I do everything within the law, and my articles are good, you know that. Don't waste your time and mine, please. --Art of Odessa (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, but your accusations are ridiculous. --Art of Odessa (talk) 15:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Blocked for sockpuppetry
Before you come back, I would really like to see some assurances from you that you understand the principles upon which Wikipedia operates. Several people have spent a great deal of their time writing to you, suggesting articles to read to improve your understanding of Wikipedia; your responses seem to show not only that you don't read the suggested material, you don't even read everything they wrote.

Keeping Wikipedia true to its founding principles requires a lot of work. When you began inserting unrelated artwork into technical articles, some people (myself included) tried to explain to you why it wasn't appropriate. Instead of listening, discussing, and learning, you became belligerent, even telling people "do not touch the page" (or something like that). You spoke condescendingly to (or outright insulted) several editors, including me.

You seem to have a passion for promoting Odessan (is that the correct demonym?) artists, or artists from Ukraine. If that's your goal, it may not be compatible with Wikipedia. Exaggerating accomplishments (e.g. calling an invitation to bid on an airport project an "award", describing the invited artist as a "Laureate of the Tampa International Airport Public Art Project", or saying "Grand Prix" of the Art-Act instead of "winner") is marketing language, and belongs in a brochure, not in an encyclopedia.

Likewise, your promotion of the Strange Time website was more marketing hype than informative. You directly transferred text from a copyrighted news publication into the article, forcing one editor, and another administrator, to work to remove it, and you exaggerated the form, purpose, and content of the site to make it sound like more than it is.

If you can channel your energy into writing about any of the hundreds of beautiful and interesting things about Ukraine that English speakers rarely have an opportunity to read about, you could make a stellar contribution to the English Wikipedia. On the other hand, if you see Wikipedia as a free ticket into search engines, and a no-cost promotional vehicle, you should stay away.

You're actually quite good at writing marketing language. I'd be willing to bet there are companies that will pay you to do that, and you can work from anywhere on the planet, too. &mdash; <b style="color:black">Uncle</b><b style="color:darkred">Bubba</b> ( T @ C ) 13:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good day. First of all, I would like to apologize to you, of course I was wrong, I had bad days and I had no reason to let the steam off towards you. I am really ashamed. Thank you for writing to me.  I study art, cultural studies and know many Ukrainian artists, and as you rightly noted, I would like to acquaint the English-speaking part of the world with the culture of Ukraine so that they know more about our country.  I had no goals to promote artists, rather, the goal was to present them beautifully, perhaps it turned out too beautifully ... If you allow me to continue editing, I promise to listen to your advice and take steps towards my development under your supervision.  I am well versed in art and know its terminology and I am sure I can contribute to the English-language Wikipedia.  Thank you for your time.  Again, I am very sorry for my actions. Respectfully. --Art of Odessa (talk) 14:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

My notes on this would be that Art of Odessa is obviously an autobiography account that also creates articles for their friends and family. Their first two account names (before Art of Odessa) on Commons were Ryabchenko names, in both English (Sergiyryabchenko)and Russian (Рябченко Василий Сергеевич scripts. Since then they have created huge articles on Ryabchencko family artists, and promoted their interests (e.g. Strange Time.) They've stonewalled, deceived and socked consistently here and in other projects; they are having the same problem at the moment on ru.wikipedia, where Odessa and Perepel were socking as recently as July 4 to develop fake concensus at a deletion discussion. Having them on any wiki will compromise neutrality, as their intent is personal promotion. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good day ThatMontrealIP I completely understand your point. I have already admitted my fault of having two accounts and how I have learned since that was against Wikipedia rules. I will from now on only use Art of Odessa in all my edits and the other will be deleted and ever used again on either US or Russian Wikipedia.
 * I accept your note on this and will do everything in the future to regain your confidence in me. I really just want to promote Ukrainian artists and their role in the world. --Art of Odessa (talk) 15:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You've been caught on three different Wikipedia projects socking (Commons, en-wiki, and just now checkuser on ru.wikipedia confirmed that you were socking there). Clearly you knew that you were using multiple accounts to manipulate discussions or promote your view, as it was explained to you that multiple accounts were not allowed for these purposes. Uncle Bubba and I are not admins, if you want to get unblocked you have to request it through the process you used earlier today, as above. I have commented here as I think you should not be unblocked, as you refuse to admit the obvious Ryabchenko COI and have been caught socking on multiple projects. Also you wasted a lot of editor time figuring this out.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe that should read four Wikipedia projects, as Mr.Perpel and art of Odessa were editing many of the same articles on Ukrainian Wikipedia as well. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I've restored your original declined block request that you overwrote with a new one. Declined requests cannot be removed while the block remains in place.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 21:54, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, boy... And it's only been 21 days. &mdash; <b style="color:black">Uncle</b><b style="color:darkred">Bubba</b> ( T @ C ) 22:01, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Strange Time for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Strange Time is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Strange Time until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)