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Comparison of X Window System desktop environments
Thanks for the reworking of Comparison of X Window System desktop environments. It looks better (quite ironically, now including considerable uncited material, but at least we have material there for others to cite in future!)

What's missing for me is some kind of "pros and cons" or actual comparison of the managers. In other words, rather than actually comparing, it names in principle a handful of generic areas which differ between different managers, and names the default s/w with each. But the real comparison of them is not yet done, nor is there information to do so in the article.

For example, are all technical (as opposed to look/feel) differences between different windows managers essentially quantified 100% by considering what packages they run by default and what libraries they draw on, or are there for example speed and functionality, or usability/hookability differences? There's no "pros and cons of different WM's" or ... well, anything that actually compares them beyond the default s/w list. It's a good rewrite but the core of what I was hoping for isn't yet there :-/

I ask this as a non-linux technical user seeking to understand linux before diving in, so these are questions that seem important within the "comparison".

Thanks :) FT2 (Talk 23:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Better :) Its starting to look like a comparison, now. The table and top tag help. (Tables are often sorted alphabetically rather than subjectively BTW.) Here are some more specific suggestions you might like to try out; I'm not sure how one quantifies them, it's mostly that I don't myself actually know what one would consider notable information in a comparison!


 * A "compatibility and interoperability" section. if the appropriate libraries are loaded, can any desktop do the job of any other? Or are there compatibility and interoperability issues with some?
 * Degree of configurability, "out of box" usability, complexity of setup, expert level needed, stability etc (high/medium/low - it won't have a measurement but surely they can be relatively ranked for things like this and some basis or examples given?)
 * Well known pros and cons (if any)
 * A specific section "KDE vs. GNOME", given these are the most common two desktops provided to newcomers or as defaults? Sample screenshot of each, description how each organizes its desktop (notable differences?), comparison of visible capabilities built into each (multiple desktops, etc) ...


 * Any use? FT2 (Talk 15:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahh, now this starts to have some "bite" to it :) Nice work. This is more what I had hoped someone would be able to create. Current comments and suggestions:


 * "A "compatibility and interoperability" section. if the appropriate libraries are loaded, can any desktop do the job of any other? Or are there compatibility and interoperability issues with some? -- I'm not sure this is very relevant as there are few compatibility and interoperability issues today." -- then create a section on that topic, and note this. The fact there are no/few issues, or what they might be if any, is still useful to know.
 * Style - a bit "editorial"... some slang ("eyecandy", "way more software", "can be a pain"). Slightly more encyclopedic tone is good (wikilink eyecandy, "contains 5000 packages compared with GNOME's 250", "is complicated by")
 * Try to source some of it at least, or else someone'll maybe wipe it out for zero sources later

Good work :) FT2 (Talk 18:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Artagnon, thank you for your encouragements regarding my edits to Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments. I simply used Iceweasel embedded dictionary for most corrections. I'll be sure to take a closer look at the article in the next days, as I find it quite interesting. Antidrugue 03:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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About to change E-mail client somewhat
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I think the E-mail client article is seriously misleading in its use of the acronyms MTA, MDA, MSA, MRA. I'm going to amend that one of these days.

Please have a look at the relevant talk page for more details on my point of view.

Cheers ale 19:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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