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Talk page. Use it. --Calton &#124; Talk 06:40, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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You are awesome
Dear Artanisen san, Big thanks for creating Exclusive economic zone of India. Love and regards. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 17:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Good to see that a lot of information was added to the page. Artanisen (talk) 19:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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Signing ceremony for the Axis Powers Tripartite Pact;.jpg
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 * Hi, I think it is from this article on the website called National Interest. It is a larger version of the same photo. The current version is sharper. Alamy has a much higher quality version which shows a few more people. - Artanisen (talk) 19:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Hi Diannaa, sorry in the page Revision history I mentioned on 2 August 2020‎ "taken from the page Hideki Tojo, please see that page for full attribution." So I thought that was sufficient. I can add a direct page link with future updates. I could rewrite that information a bit. - Artanisen (talk)

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Exclusive economic zones
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hi please create this template for articles. seperate template for eez articles. and also sort template by continent. thanks
 * Hi Shamaa1, I don't know how to create templates sorry. - Artanisen (talk) 06:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Note you've been around Wikipedia long enough to know how this works. You inserted information, it's been reverted by several editors, the onus is on you to get consensus on the talk page to include it not to edit war. Canterbury Tail talk 12:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I did not "insert information" I restored information that was on the page Japan for a long time before it was unilaterally removed by user "Nichijyou123" on 31 August 2020. "National Foundation Day (legendary) February 11, 660 BC", because this is Officially Recognized by the Government of Japan. It is also a national holiday. - Artanisen (talk) 12:39, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You reinserted information that has been removed from the article multiple times. No consensus has ever been established for that to be included which is why it has been removed about a dozen times over the last year alone. You should know that on Wikipedia we need consensus for this. At this point you are edit warring, take it to the talk page. Canterbury Tail talk 12:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That information was already on the page for a long time. I did not create new information, I restored the information that rightfully belongs on that page. - Artanisen (talk) 12:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ultimately it's irrelevant, you're editing warring. Canterbury Tail talk</i> 12:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason is not irrelevant though. I did not revert more than 3 times (the three-revert rule). - Artanisen (talk) 12:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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"Susanoo holds the Kusanagi no Tsurugi"
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 * Hi Hijiri88. I read that in an article a while ago, but maybe it is incorrect. Another explanation: "After slaying Yamato no Orochi, the god Susano-o found this sword in one of the eight tails of the gigantic serpent." it can be changed to that. There is a different Ukiyo-e with the Kusanagi no Tsurugi. I can upload it. - Artanisen (talk) 13:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, I'd like to see that, yeah. I just googled 浮世絵　草薙 and the closest I found was more images of Susanoo-no-mikoto fighting Yamata-no-orochi with an unlabeled sword. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 16:29, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added the artwork to the Kusanagi no Tsurugi page. See here for more information. - Artanisen (talk) 17:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Hi Goszei, sometimes the higher quality versions do look better than the original low resolution version. It depends on the image quality. So they should not all be discarded. In this case the original is sharper, but also smaller. - Artanisen (talk) 11:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want an image to display larger than the file dimensions, you can have the software do the upscaling (see WP:PICSIZE). Commons policy actually disallows overwriting files with upscales (see, which forbids Artificially upscaling or enlarging using any tool). — Goszei (talk) 08:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Whilst minor improvements should overwrite the previous version (replacement with higher resolution versions of the same file). So when there is a higher quality version of the same photo or image then it can be overwritten. -Artanisen (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * True, but an upscale from an original scan is not a "higher-quality" version.
 * If you were to rescan the book that the original scanner did, then overwrite, that would be excellent (and fine under Commons policy). If you were able to find a higher-quality scan online of the exact same page, that would also be a great overwrite.
 * However, the image that you uploaded in the case I linked was done artificially (i.e. by an computer algorithm, which perform interpolation; see Image scaling) -- you can tell because of the upscaling artifacts. This does not represent an increase in quality, just dimensions. — Goszei (talk) 08:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That isn't clearly noticeable, because the current uploaded version is poor quality which doesn't reflect the real artwork. The original artwork has sharp contrast and colors. If you can find it then please upload it. -Artanisen (talk) 08:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with you completely, and hope we can find better scans of every single piece of artwork. The vast majority of your uploads to Commons are great and big increases in quality, but I just ask you to be more careful at making sure you are overwriting with a version with higher quality (aka, a different scan), instead of upscales or other interpolations from a low-quality scan (which introduces blur artifacts). — Goszei (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to better check other versions of images. - Artanisen (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to better check other versions of images. - Artanisen (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Artanisen! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor&#32;at Greater China that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Kj cheetham (talk) 11:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Kj cheetham, you're right, that should be normal edits. If you disagree with the changes then you can revert it. -17:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I am a Japanese living in Tokyo. I am so glad to have someone like you! Keep up the good work! 私は東京に住む日本人です. あなたのような方がいて本当に嬉しいです！今後も頑張ってください！

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 * Thanks for the cute kitten and you're welcome (かわいい子猫をありがとう. どういたしまして). -Artanisen (talk) 14:37, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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Kant image
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Thanks, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 13:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Patrick J. Welsh. Please stop reverting it to a very low blurry version. This version is a much higher quality version of the same painting. The version you prefer is 1. very low quality, 2. incorrect colors, 3. very blurry, 4. Kent looks in the wrong direction. -Artanisen (talk) 13:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * At a thumbnail size, the quality is completely fine. The way the portrait is painted is not necessarily the way that it looks best on a page, which often has Kant looking to our left. Please use the talk pages of individual articles reach consensus when your preferred version is challenged. You are not doing readers a favor by globally replacing the image chosen by page editors with something different.
 * Thanks, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 13:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * At thumbnail size, the colors of the version you prefer are incorrect compared to the original. He also looks in the wrong direction. People will click on the thumbnail as well which is very low quality compared to This version . You're not being constructive by restoring a low quality image that is a bad crop of the original painting. I checked this version . The original image was uploaded by Ben-nb~commonswiki in 2006. It was enlarged by the user Amano1 in April 2014. Amano1 cropped a part of the original image and changed the colors. That's why it's so blurry and low resolution. -Artanisen (talk) 13:49, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * But it's not about the painting! Not at all. It's about what representation of Kant looks best as featured on any given article.
 * If the painter has an article (or deserves to have one created), by all means go to town with all the details you've got on the original "correct" color pallet and so forth. Otherwise fidelity to original painting is not a relevant factor.
 * Please consider what looks best on the page instead of imposing your preference everywhere all at once. Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The original Immanuel Kant portrait doesn't have a yellow glow and tint as this version . Upon closer inspection we can see the user CarlFromVienna replaced the original image with a different version in 2008. The original image was uploaded in 2006 by Ben-nb~commonswiki. Then in 2014 Amano1 enlarged the small image (from 294 × 371 to 964 × 1,388 pixels) and changed the colors and cropped a part. To put in simple terms; this version is a badly edited, oversized and low quality version. It doesn't properly represent Immanuel Kant. It suits the Category:Images of low quality. P.S. I cropped the top part of this version so that it's more focused on Kant. - Artanisen (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Pls. see the immediately above. Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 14:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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April 2024
Please take more care in your category application. You should not be adding categories for things that aren't even mentioned anywhere in the article. That's pretty much a guaranteed way to fail WP:DEFINING. Please make sure you're familiar with the concept. Thanks. Sergecross73  msg me  20:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Sure it can be added to the article. Please don't remove something and not give people the time to add such information. Artanisen (talk) 20:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You're doing it backwards. You need to be adding it to the article first, then adding the category. It's not helpful to add categories that don't make any sense to the reader. Without a single mention in the article body, the category is going to make zero sense to your average reader. Stop doing that immediately.
 * And even the above is the bare minimum to even entertain whether it meets WP:DEFINING. You've seemingly made a few questionable applications of the Native American category, but the one I was referring to was for Code Name S.T.E.A.M. The game has been out almost a decade, and to my knowledge, I don't believe a character being Native American has been mentioned ever, at any point. That's not exactly a great argument in favor of this being a DEFINING aspect of the game.
 * Regardless, please start following WP:BRD and open up discussions rather than continually reverting. Thank you. Sergecross73   msg me  20:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Many of the articles do mention that the character is Indigenous or (part) Native American. It takes a lot of time to add information and references to the articles. You need to give people time to build up the categories. Your tone is demotivating. You were reverting constructive contributions (categorization) of the articles. -Artanisen (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand that it takes time. I've got a bunch of long-term projects I'm working on myself. But what does that have to do with what I'm warning you about? None of that addresses any part of my warning. Have you read, and do you understand, DEFINING? Do you understand that, even if DEFINING did't exist, adding categories that aren't self-explanatory isn't helpful, and may only serve to confuse the reader? Sergecross73   msg me  20:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned earlier, many of the articles DO mention that the character is Indigenous or (part) Native American. There is no confusion with those articles. If it's not mentioned then please let me know and I will add such information. If an article is wrongly categorized then you can say so too. Just categorizing all these articles took a lot of time. -Artanisen (talk) 21:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's great, I was merely warning you about some I observed as wrongly done. Please listen to SnowFire below. They are giving you good information. Particularly on DEFINING. There's a huge different between "defined" and "defining characteristic". Nothing you've said to either of us convinces me you understand it yet. Sergecross73   msg me  21:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do understand DEFINING. These categories are work-in-progress. It has taken significant effort to find each game and character. -22:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Native American categories
Hello Artanisen,

I realize you're adding this category in good faith... and I'm also not necessarily the best messenger here because I personally think a ton of the fictional media categorization categories shouldn't even exist at all...  but I think you should be a little stricter in which articles get this category. Per WP:CATDEFINING, categories should be "defining" features, as in things that would definitely come up in a description of the topic and have clear inclusion criteria.
 * Characters who are merely "coded" as a ethnicity/nationality only rarely qualify (e.g. the Suikoden III example with the Karaya Tribe). This includes most fictional settings with characters who are clearly inspired by a real-world group.  The exceptions are when there's truly a massive pile of sources saying it's relevant, or for films with real-world actors (and even this is shaky IMO).
 * For stuff like the Street Fighter and Killer Instinct: In general, games with ensemble casts aren't categorized by every single member of the ensemble. Per above, it really does need to be defining.  If there's a spinoff article/redirect on T. Hawk or Lily or the like, then fine, but it shouldn't apply to the game as a whole.

Happy to bring this up to a wider discussion at WT:VG if you'd like, but per above, I think some of your additions to the category should be reverted. SnowFire (talk) 20:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi SnowFire, it can be added to the article to have it clearly defined. As you can see in the category there are currently very few games with Native American characters, so it's worth categorizing. -Artanisen (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is incorrect as a matter of categorization on Wikipedia. Please read WP:CATDEFINING and then come back.
 * Okay, back? Did you read it?  Please affirm you did.  If some aspect is a defining element of the topic, it should already be in the article.  And ideally as a major part.  So to flip things around, I think categorizing the Turok series with this category is fine: Turok is right in the title and a major part of the game.  But other games you've added come down to "Native Americans exist" and that's not defining.  It might be defining in the cases where a spin-off article on that character exists, and you might get away with categorizing some redirects a la T. Hawk, but it's not defining to any specific Street Fighter game (or other fighting game series that merely has one character of ethnicity XYZ).
 * As far as "very few games with Native American characters", that's true, but that doesn't mean we loosen our standards. Take Category:Films about Native Americans for example: it should include stuff like Smoke Signals (film), not every single Western that has an American Indian appear in one scene.  And if it does, then it's far less useful.  SnowFire (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, let's look at a couple of articles. Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. = an important character called Tiger Lily, she's described as Native American. Fatal Fury: First Contact (and Real Bout Fatal Fury 2: The Newcomers) = Rick Strowd (Native American). Kasumi Ninja = the character Pakawa (Native American). Killer Instinct (1994) has Thunder (Hinnamatoom). Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light = Totec, an ancient Mayan warrior (important character). Metal Gear Solid = the antagonist Vulcan Raven (Native Alaskan American and Inuit). Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain = Code talker (Diné (Navajo) descent). Mortal Kombat 3, 11, Armageddon, Deception = Nightwolf is a Native American shaman. Nightwolf has his own article, so the games could be removed from the category, but it is useful to quickly see a list of the games. Power Stone (video game) = Galuda is a Native American inspired character. The game has a fictional setting though, but Galuda could qualify. Red Dead Revolver = Red Harlow (half Native American). Red Dead Redemption = Nastas (Native American supporting character), Enepay (Native American minor character). Red Dead Redemption 2 = Charles Smith (half Native American), Rains Fall, Eagle Flies, Paytah (Wapiti Indian). Shadow Hearts: From the New World =  Shania is described as Native American. SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash, Street Fighter 6, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Super Street Fighter II Turbo, Super Street Fighter IV = T. Hawk (native American). He doesn't have his own article, but he's described here, so we could only link to that article (page). -Artanisen (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, let's look at a couple of articles. Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. = an important character called Tiger Lily, she's described as Native American. Fatal Fury: First Contact (and Real Bout Fatal Fury 2: The Newcomers) = Rick Strowd (Native American). Kasumi Ninja = the character Pakawa (Native American). Killer Instinct (1994) has Thunder (Hinnamatoom). Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light = Totec, an ancient Mayan warrior (important character). Metal Gear Solid = the antagonist Vulcan Raven (Native Alaskan American and Inuit). Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain = Code talker (Diné (Navajo) descent). Mortal Kombat 3, 11, Armageddon, Deception = Nightwolf is a Native American shaman. Nightwolf has his own article, so the games could be removed from the category, but it is useful to quickly see a list of the games. Power Stone (video game) = Galuda is a Native American inspired character. The game has a fictional setting though, but Galuda could qualify. Red Dead Revolver = Red Harlow (half Native American). Red Dead Redemption = Nastas (Native American supporting character), Enepay (Native American minor character). Red Dead Redemption 2 = Charles Smith (half Native American), Rains Fall, Eagle Flies, Paytah (Wapiti Indian). Shadow Hearts: From the New World =  Shania is described as Native American. SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash, Street Fighter 6, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Super Street Fighter II Turbo, Super Street Fighter IV = T. Hawk (native American). He doesn't have his own article, but he's described here, so we could only link to that article (page). -Artanisen (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * (de-indent) This is an answer to a question I didn't ask. I'm already familiar with most of these games, thanks.  Please read what I wrote above more closely.
 * You also did not verify you read you've read CATDEFINING. Have you read it?  I ask again that you explicitly respond.  I'm going to assume "no" if you keep ignoring this question.
 * Okay, let's hope you've read CATDEFINING and know what "defining" means as a "term of art" on Wikipedia (not necessarily the same as what you think it means in casual English). Let's forget all of the specific details and just talk about films instead.  Do you think a film with one minor character who is Native American should be in Category:Films about Native Americans?  Let's say they have like 5 lines and 3 minutes worth of screentime.  If yes, then you basically disagree with CATDEFINING.  (Of which you have company, unfortunately, I'll admit that there's a small group of editors who does love to stick every tiny reference into a category, but they're doing so in defiance of the guideline.)  If no, then read my point above more closely.  There have been 120+ playable characters in Street Fighter games.  A few Native American characters is the equivalent of a small role in a film, and thus you shouldn't categorize the entire work by that one small role.  And more generally, if you did, then we'd have overcategorization, where categories would be a mess of 100+ random small things hiding the 5 relevant categories.  SnowFire (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I also have the right to ask questions sir. Yes I read CATDEFINING. The category is a work in progress so it can be changed and improved. I agree that a game shouldn't be overcategorized. So I gave examples such as T. Hawk and Nightwolf, those specific articles could only be categorized rather than every game they're in. -Artanisen (talk) 21:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But... you didn't ask me a question?  If you did, please point it out to me, and I'll answer it.  Thank you for affirming that you've read CATDEFINING, because this is a very important policy to be familiar with when creating categories.  And yes, I agree that it is more productive to categorize the T. Hawk or Nightwolf redirects rather than every game they're in.
 * To try to put a more positive and less hostile spin on things, if you're interested in improving Wikipedia's coverage here, note that we have an article Native Americans in film. I could absolutely see an article like Native Americans in video games that discussed stuff like Assassin's Creed III and other major depictions of indigenous Americans.  You'd probably want to hit up some book / academic sources on the topic, and it'd have to be a referenced article, not just a list of characters.  But I'd suggest that might be a better way to spend your time.  SnowFire (talk) 22:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I do try to be constructive and positive. I do listen to your feedback and thanks for taking the time to give that. So I removed most Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat games from the category. I find your communicative style condescending though. Yes an article about this topic would be very useful. Likewise, these categories are also useful to improve awareness about Native Americans in video games and to make it easier for users to find the characters and related games. If there's any mistakes then sorry about that and it can be corrected. -Artanisen (talk) 22:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorting categories
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