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Global Crisis 2008-2009 affects Damien Hirst
You have restored the section headed as above in Damien Hirst, after I removed it, and you have put the following text:


 * Since that auction, the bottom has dropped out of the contemporary art market and Damien Hirst has been forced to lay off assistants and his over-inflated prices have seen dramatic falls. ,

I have read the three sources and they do not support the statements you have made. If you think they do, then kindly add the exact source text that applies as below:  Ty  00:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Since that auction, the bottom has dropped out of the contemporary art market
 * Source text:

The following article clearly supports that the bottom has dropped out of the contemporary art market

http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/big-question/the-big-question-has-the-bottom-dropped-out-of-the-contemporary-art-market-1047113.html

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthubris (talk • contribs)


 * But that wasn't the source you cited!!! Furthermore, it is asking a question, not making an absolute statement, so you are not using it accurately. In fact it says, "Experts have suggested that if super-wealthy collectors from Russia, China, India and the Middle East keep buying with confidence, the market can weather the economic downturn." Not quite what your statement says.  Ty  01:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

http://www.supertouchart.com/2008/11/26/londonnewsdamien-hirst-lays-off-studio-staff/ http://www.artnewsblog.com/2008/11/damien-hirst-corporation-layoffs.htm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3500553/Hirst-lays-off-workers.html
 * Damien Hirst has been forced to lay off assistants
 * Source text:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthubris (talk • contribs)


 * Again - not the sources you cited. Furthermore, even these new sources do not say he was forced to lay off assistants.  There is a quote, "As previously stated by Damien, he is finishing a number of bodies of works which is why temporary contacts have not been renewed." You have made your own interpretation which is not an accurate use of the source.  Ty  01:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

http://blog.macleans.ca/tag/damien-hirst/
 * his over-inflated prices
 * Source text:

In this blog, Robert Hughes, respected art critic, is quoted as describes Hirst's work as having absurdly inflated prices.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthubris (talk • contribs)


 * Again not the source you cited. However, in this source Hughes is not quoted as you say. Hughes says "Hirst a 'pirate' whose only skill is his ability to bluff and flatter the dumb, ignorant, and rich, and blamed him for almost single-handedly creating the cult of artist-as-celebrity, and feeding the 'irrational faith in a continuous rise in prices.'"


 * The commebnt about absurdly inflated prices occurs here: "Hughes is also right about the parallels between the world of high art and high finance. Both appear to be bubble-driven markets, sustaining absurdly inflated prices." This does not specify Hirst's prices in the way that you have said, but is a general observation on "the world of high art." Therefore you should not personalise it the way you have.


 *  Ty  01:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/anny_shaw/blog/2008/11/24/damien_hirst_the_rise_and_fall
 * have seen dramatic falls
 * Source text:

In particular Annie Shaw in the article in the Telegraph above  includes the words: "Hirst told the Independent last week that it was a good thing his work was coming down in price. “I think it’s quite good because it became unreal,” he said. “You start to think you are touched by god.”

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthubris (talk • contribs)


 * Not the source you cited. And even the passage you've just quoted does not support the statement "dramatic falls". The source just says, "coming down in price" - rather different to a "dramatic fall", a view which is entirely of your own making.  Ty  01:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The source has to be used precisely. There can be no editorial "interpretation" or "speculation" as to what it means.

Failing justification of the text, kindly do not insert it again. We have a strict policy per WP:BLP about content applying to living people. You have made statements that are highly prejudicial to Hirst and his living as an artist.

If you do insist on inserting this text regardless, you will be be blocked from editing.

 Ty  20:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Review of use of sources as above
Please be very careful in your use of sources, and only state what the source says, nothing more and nothing less. Also per WP:NPOV you should balance different sources. Hughes, for example, represents one viewpoint, in opposition to Hirst. You also have to take note of what Hirst's supporters say and include that too. I am posting links at the top of the page to provide guidance for editing.  Ty  01:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)