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A shiney red apple for your gallant white steed
It was quite a surprise to see you ride in on your beautiful white horse Tonto. Our new Wikipedia member doesn't give a rats ass about improving the Wikipedia chemicals section. He is here for one reason only and that is to erase any mention of this incident. That Wikipedia should allow the EPA to set up an account wherein the EPA can recruit established members to carry out the edits they suggest since it may be seen as COI on their part, what the hell? If the EPA is going to stoop to that tactic, what's to stop them from suggesting to employees to join up as well, read their to-do list, and edit away... Sucks. Gandydancer (talk) 22:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the apple :) Hehe. They will back off when they figure out what Wikipedia is about and how it works (for better or worse). Are you familiar with the hows and whys of the EPA and/or how civilian agencies generally function in the US? If not let me know and I'll try, briefly, explaining the beast. You might find these EPA policy guidlines worth a once over Guidance:Representing EPA Online Using Social Media. Tasty apple :) -- ArtifexMayhem (talk) 23:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link; it is interesting and informative. I'm not sure what you mean when you ask if I'm familiar with the hows and whys of the EPA and/or how civilian agencies generally function in the US.  I'd like to hear your viewpoint.  Gandydancer (talk) 11:08, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * A carrot for Tonto and a nice shot of whiskey for you. You saved the day.  I was furious!  I was typing away at a long rant and then as I went to post I saw your note.  That will do just fine.  BTW, my horse's name is Trigger and I'm beginning to think that James is a horse's ass. :) Gandydancer (talk) 23:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you saw my post first. I could hear the steam whistling out of your ears.
 * He has now used his one free clue. We'll see if he gets it. Rats. While I was typing Tonto drank my whiskey. Guess I'll breakout the Tequila. - ArtifexMayhem (talk) 23:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Tonto drank your whiskey because you ate his apple. Anyway, someone split two sections of an article I watch ( High-fructose corn syrup ) to their own articles with the reason that the article was getting too long.  It was not long at all and I believe that he just wanted to hide the parts he didn't like.  Do you know how one counts the length and what is considered too long?  Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I added a little to my Granite article that you may enjoy about the Granite cemetery. I also mentioned the three wilderness areas that surround Granite.  Did you do your hiking in the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness?  If you did, and you read on that page about the cabins on Pine Creek?  I lived in one of those cabins.  That article also mentions a horse corral - that is where Dave Jardine lived (now buried in the Granite Cemetery) and he really was eaten by his dogs - he kept his dogs in that corral.  Anyway, do you have any photos from your hiking trips?  I have photos of historical Granite and some old ones of my own; I have tried for hours on end to enter them at the Commons but have not been able to figure out how to do it.  Also, have you looked at "Colorado Guy"s photos that I have linked to at my article?  They are good!  At first he agreed to let me use them and then later, without saying why, changed his mind. Gandydancer (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Completely new abortion proposal and mediation
In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

To avoid concerns that this notice might violate WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page (or either page's respective talk page) since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 22:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

&mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 21:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Article you requested from NW is available free online
Hello ArtifexMayhem. You asked NuclearWarfare about getting, Daling et al. 1996. It says at the bottom of the Pubmed abstract that full text is free online. I can send it to you if you can't access it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi EdJohnston. I found them. Thank you for noticing my request and making such a friendly offer. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 21:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Quiltedart (talk) 21:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello wife. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 21:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Hola. Quiltedart (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Smarty boots?
I don't wear boots. :-P KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 22:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe. I'm currently doing a solo drive from Las Vegas to Dallas and for some reason boots came to mind. Odd. Reminds me...Would you mind having a look at the last few edits on Hugo Black and let me know if I'm out of bounds? Night cap? No thank you. I don't wear them. - ArtifexMayhem (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

ArbCom Case: Abortion
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Roe quote
Of course, definitions can change, consensus can change, et cetera, but this quote from Roe v. Wade seems pertinent:

"If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion during that period, except when it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother....For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother." Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I get your point. What are you proposing? Sorry for the delay...insanity rules on my end. - ArtifexMayhem (talk) 04:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just thought you'd be interested in the quote.  My understanding is that the top two obstetrics textbooks are (1) Textbook of Obstetrics by Dutta, and (2) Holland and Brews' Manual of Obstetrics.  Neither has been mentioned in the huge discussion about the first sentence, so I'll try to get a look at them soon.  Anyway, cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 12:54, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I do enjoy reading the Roe opinion (unrelated but a good read is US v. New York Times). I'll see if I have the other texts. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 17:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose the question of which obstetrics textbooks are "leading" is inherently subjective. Personally, I would favor Normal and Problem Pregnancies, which (as the New England Journal of Medicine observed) "became the bible of obstetrics almost overnight" after its introduction. That textbook contains a lengthy section on abortion, although it's framed almost entirely in terms of the U.S. legal and political system (for example, it deals extensively with the politics of "partial-birth abortion"). MastCell Talk 17:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There goes another $135 (suppose I should grab a used one). I hope Jimbo doesn't mind I've spent my WikiMedia donation on research mats:) ArtifexMayhem (talk) 17:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Legal and medical jargon aside, general dictionaries like the Oxford English Dictionary seem authoritative for a general-purpose encyclopedia for lay people (which is what Wikipedia purports to be).Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In some circumstances. However, "It incorporates elements of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers", and is "many encyclopedias to many people, and that is one of its greatest strengths: it is a general encyclopedia, but it is also many specialist encyclopedias. Any conflicts arising through Wikipedia's multi-faceted nature should be resolved in such a way that Wikipedia remains a useful resource for all the different segments of its readership" (an excellent essay on an entirely different topic). NW ( Talk ) 20:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We should incorporate both generalized and then specialized, instead of just specialized. But if you believe that specialized should be prioritized over general, I disagree with that. And if the specialized stuff is not uniform between specialties, or even within specialties, then it cannot hurt for Wikipedia to very briefly say so.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Isn't it so easy to agree on the principles but to disagree so much on the specifics? NW ( Talk ) 01:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you also agree that WP:NOT says titles should reflect common usage? What kind of ass-backwards article starts with a common-usage title, and then in its first sentence begins with a narrower technical definition that contradicts the common usage of the title?  Tell me that, please, Mr. Warfare.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Could you give me a little time to complete my edits!DMSBel (talk) 05:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

RfC on Astrology
Because you have participated in a related RfC on this article, or have recently contributed to it, you are hereby informed that your input would be highly appreciated on the new RfC here: []. Thank you! Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI
Zenkai now @ ANI. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 02:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

thanks and --

 * Thanks for the cherry pie, my absolute favorite.
 * Also, on that same u.s. constitution page, the headers are all now pretty short. Is is possible to force the auto Table of Contents into two equal columns, so it is safe to uncover the next level without breaking the article with a 1-2 screen blank gap? If not, somewhere in my wiki surfing, I saw a %TOC% coding, but no elaboration as to the possibility of breaking it into columns, so I skipped on, and now, I can't re-find it either in my files or retracing my searches. thanks for any help. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Building 7 article
I would like to have your input in talk page sections here and here.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion closed
An arbitration case regarding all articles related to the subject of Abortion has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:


 * All articles related to the subject of Abortion:
 * shall be semi-protected until November 28, 2014;
 * shall not be moved absent a demonstrable community consensus;
 * are authorized to be placed on Standard discretionary sanctions;

In addition:
 * 1) Editors are reminded to remain neutral while editing;
 * 2) Structured discussion is to take place on names of articles currently located at Opposition to the legalization of abortion and Support for the legalization of abortion, with a binding vote taken one month after the opening of the discussion;
 * 3) User:Orangemarlin is instructed to contact the Arbitration Committee before returning to edit affected articles;
 * 4) User:Michael C Price, User:Anythingyouwant, User:Haymaker, User:Geremia, User:DMSBel are all indefinitely topic-banned; User:Michael C Price and User:Haymaker may appeal their topic bans in one year;
 * 5) User:Gandydancer and User:NYyankees51 are reminded to maintain tones appropriate for collaboration in a sensitive topic area.

For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 04:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion
Resolved by motion at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification that: The Abortion case is supplemented as follows: Remedy 1 of Abortion is amended to the following:
 * Any uninvolved administrator may semi-protect articles relating to Abortion and their corresponding talk pages, at his or her discretion, for a period of up to three years from 7 December 2011. Pages semi-protected under this provision are to be logged.

For the Arbitration Committee, Salvio  Let's talk about it! 12:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Discuss this

Followup requested.
Hi ArtifexMayhem, thank you for your input at Talk:Atheism - when you have time could you please give me your thoughts on my response? TIA! un☯mi 08:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, got side-tracked. Sure. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 00:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have responded to your comments as well as offered an edit which, to me, makes steps in the right direction. <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b style="color:#806">u</b><b style="color:#705">n</b><b style="color:#605">☯</b><b style="color:#505">m</b><b style="color:#405">i</b></i> 14:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

DRN notification
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edit References to Pseudoscience Should Be Moved to Historical Footnotes
Query to the Scientific Community:

To the Directors of Physics Departments,

LENR - Low Energy Nuclear Reaction and Widom Larson Theory, aka Condensed Matter Nuclear, historically misnamed "Cold Fusion"

1) Is this science or pathological science? 2) Do you offer a class in this discipline? If so, please provide information. 3) Are you developing a curriculum of this science? If so, when will you offer it? 4) What peer review journals do you source in this field?

ArtifexMayhem, P>S> 1) Any suggestions before I move forward with this? 2) Is this direction of query able to yield opinions the Wikipedia forum on Cold Fusion may value?

Thank you for your time,

Gregory Goble gbgoble@gmail.com (415) 724-6702--Gregory Goble (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Abortion amendment request
Hello. I have made a request to the Arbitration Committee to amend the Abortion case, in relation to the structured discussion that was to take place. The request can be found here. Regards, <font face="Verdana"><font color="#078330">Steven <font color="#2875b0">Zhang  <font color="#d67f0f">Join the DR army! 04:07, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

January 2012
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Re: In case you need a little inspiration.
Brilliant choice of quotes, and much appreciated :) Wishing you a super week. --<span style="font-size:0.9em; font-family:Georgia,serif; font-style:italic;">&mdash; PretzelsHii! 00:25, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Wong Kim Ark FAC
Hi. You commented on United States v. Wong Kim Ark a few weeks ago, and I wanted to be sure you were aware that this article is still being considered for possible Featured Article promotion (see here for the FAC page). The article has also undergone a lot of new work (in response to comments at the FAC) since you commented on it in mid-December. A few people have participated in the FAC process so far, but more would be helpful. If you have the time and interest, perhaps you could take another good look at the article now, and then comment on (and possibly support or oppose) its FA candidacy. Thanks. — Rich wales 03:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, will do. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 04:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Evolution as fact and theory
Hi-- I've added a few comments to the talkpage for this article, and invite you to take a look. Thanks. Milkunderwood (talk) 19:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi ArtifexMayhem - please re-read my post carefully and put your prejudice aside. I am philosophically literate and a practicing scientist. I have no problem with the statement that evolution explains factual causal relations in nature or that ‘descent with modification’ has withstood repeated attempts of refutation by way of testing. However, it is incorrect to state that evolution is a singular fact and it does a disservice to call it as such. There is the historical narrative of evolution, which is one of the five theories that are contained in Darwin's Origin, which could be called a fact and is what Gould referred too. However, there are the four nomological-deductive theories that are not facts. As Gould states, facts and theories are different things. You will note that I am using recent literature on this topic and if you read through the work by Kirk Fithugh who is a curator at the Museum of Natural History in LA and has written more extensively on the philosophy of evolution than anyone I know - he has made a stunning revelation on the abductive nature of evolutionary theory. I am asking that you take a second look at what I wrote and not to discount what I am saying in that page. As Milkunderwood (above) will attest "I see you've been doing a lot of excellent work on this article." I've been a serious contributor to the main evolution article for a number of years and wrote the ecology page from top to bottom. Hence, I am a serious scientific contributor and I am a serious scientist in real life as I run a genetics facility at the University of Northern British Columbia where I work with other professors on these very topics and teach courses on evolutionary phylogenetics.Thompsma (talk) 01:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit-warring report on NYyankies51
As one of the editors involved, you may want to comment: []. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 05:58, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Abortion article titles notification
Hey ArtifexMayhem. This is just a notification that a binding, structured community discussion has been opened by myself and Steven Zhang on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. As you were named as a involved party in the Abortion case, you may already know that remedy 5.1 called for a "systematic discussion and voting on article names". This remedy is now being fulfilled with this discussion. If you would like to participate, the discussion is taking place at WP:RFC/AAT. All the best,  Whenaxis  talk &middot; &#32;contribs &#124; <font color="#d67f0f">DR goes to Wikimania! 23:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey there cowboy...
Howdy. I've been a little disgruntled of late and you may be too...or maybe not. The situation surrounding the Gunfight at O.K. Corral has been a little intense of late. It seems that James has picked up another disgruntled Wikipedian in the form of an anon (nutcase and now banned) stalker. My good name, and yours too, have been grouped as part of a "small band", apparently including the stalker, of editors that use 'talk page rather extensively as a platform for their personal views on the subject [and] They also make what I interpret as digs about my employment instead of focusing on building consensus to improve the article with reliable, secondary sources".

So of course James is disgruntled too, saying that you made an "inferred" threat to him as well:

''...I was disturbed by this comment from 8 February 2012 because it infers a threat against my employment status if I continue to edit the clothianidin page. A similar inferred threat was made on the talk page of a clothianidin editor on 29 June 2011. But do not threaten people is one of several behaviors that are considered unacceptable, and I believe inferred threats are as disruptive to Wikipedia as direct ones.''.

You may be happy to just let sleeping dogs lie, but you may have some interest... Hope that all is well and that all of your trails have been happy ones! (How was your Dallas trip?) Gandydancer (talk) 14:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh my. I'd purged my watchlist of those articles for some reason.....Thanks for the poke:) ArtifexMayhem (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Gold standard
Please respond on the Gold Standard page. Your misunderstanding of wiki policy is causing problems there.71.174.135.204 (talk) 21:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Please respond to questions made to you on the gold standard article and please do so clearly. I am interested in knowing what this "whole thing" that I supposedly synthesized is.71.174.135.204 (talk) 18:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Still waiting for you to tell me what I "synthesized"!71.174.135.204 (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

To sum up your position on the gold standard, votes taken to strip the power to print paper money from the Federal Government and affirmed by the US Supreme Court for almost 100 years, until Grant packed that court with paper money supporters has absolutely nothing to do with why the US was on a gold and silver standard until that packed court reversed almost 100 years of prior rulings. Is this a good summary of your position?71.174.135.204 (talk) 17:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In a nutshell; No. I'll expand on this at the article talk page. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 19:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Your comment amounted to a charge of SYNTH for material already appearing in the wiki article on the Legal Tender Cases Why is it SYNTH, OR, a bad source, fringe or whatever your next objection will be, when it is ALREADY on a wiki article?


 * Let me put it you is simple words, What exactly is your problem with a historical document, hosted by Yale Law School, written by James Madison (later President James Madison)while acting as the official recorder of the Constitutional Convention and which document has been cited by the US Supreme Court as the official record of that Convention? and further used as a reference in another wiki article on a similar topic?71.174.135.204 (talk) 00:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I've been a bit busy but will give a complete reply in the next day or so. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * In other words you have no ready answer as to why historical documents, copies of which are located at Yale Law School, written by James Madison, later President James Madison, and considered by EVERYONE, including the US Supreme Court, to be the official record of the US Constitutional Convention, can't be used on the gold standard article. Why am I not surprised!71.174.135.204 (talk) 02:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope. I have a ready answer for all of your bullshit. However, my refutations of the afore mentioned bullshit require, like everything else Wikipedia, proper sources. Unfortunately, for you, I simply have not had the time to type things out. —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 03:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * So now historical documents, copies of which are located at Yale Law School, written by James Madison, later President James Madison, and considered by EVERYONE, including the US Supreme Court, to be the official record of the US Constitutional Convention, are bullshit. 71.174.135.204 (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Still waiting for your response!71.174.135.204 (talk) 12:53, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Did you miss this? —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Your response is sadly lacking, the core issue BEING wiki policy on the use of primary sources and this core issue has not been addressed. I believe the reason is that you have no response and are avoiding the issue. The issue being can or cannot a lay person without special knowledge, confirm that the material added is backed by the cites. You specifically and on numerous occasion objection to the material on the ground that the cites were primary documents. Try to address this core concern. here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gold_standard#primary_sources 71.174.135.204 (talk) 16:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Grant and Legal Tender Cases
I noticed that you did not delete the reference to Grant nominating two pro-paper money justices who later voted in favor of a legal tender greenback. Seems that you can't ignore SOME historical facts.

I have responded to the two issues you state "cannot be confirmed by a lay person" namely the authorship of Federalist 44, and the purpose of the vote recorded by Madison which stripped/removed/deleted language allowing the Federal Government to print "bills of credit". Not sure what your issue is with the second since you have previously admitted that what was called issuing bills of credit back then is called printing paper money today. Please respond. 71.174.135.204 (talk) 21:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. ArtifexMayhem (talk) 21:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Outdent template
That little template you used on the Talk:Eugenics in the United States page was really great! I've needed it for years. Where did you ever find it? Thanks. Trilobitealive (talk) 00:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I found it the same way you did...noticed it while editing a talk page. Glad you found it, tis handy. —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 00:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Strong and Bradley
With you pointing out the opinion of Justice Bradley on the gold standards page, I noticed that both Strong and Bradley were the two justices added by Grant after the Supreme Court declared the greenback unconstitutional. In street talk I can only say "The fix is in". Most of the senior judges upheld the ideals of the Constitutional Convention and wrote "individual" dissents stating so.71.174.135.204 (talk) 15:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait... do you mean to suggest that a change in the Supreme Court's composition led to a change in its interpretation of the Constitution?!?! Or that a President appointed Justices who shared his outlook on constitutional law? Stop the presses! MastCell Talk 18:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Grant packed the Court! Only gold is money!" This ad brought to you by Gold Bugs, Inc. Creators of rallying cries since 1870 (see the last quote block under item five here). —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 20:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Well BOTH! Didn't the same happen in Roe versus Wade where the composition change over the years led to a reinterpretation of abortion and woman's rights? Weren't those judges who ruled on Roe v Wade "nominated" by the President. The president "nominates" the Congress "confirms". I run across any number of articles pointing out that the composition of the court in many cases determines the outcome. I've also run across any number of articles where liberals and conservatives both want a new justice for their side in order to legalize some previously never used power. To put it simply "different people have different opinions" and that holds true even for Supreme Court justices.


 * Back to the lay person interpretation of that 9 to 2 vote - Please respond to what a lay person could confirm after reading Madison's Note FN23. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gold_standard#Madisons_note_FN2371.174.135.204 (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Last part of above post is directed at ArtifexMayhem.!71.174.135.204 (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Mastcell - you should read up on the legal principle of original intent. The early Supreme Court justices were all for it, while modern judges tend to follow Bork who famously (or infamously) stated that ""this Nation has grown up in ways that do not comport with the intentions of the people who wrote the Constitution -- the commerce clause is one example -- and it is simply too late to go back and tear that up. I cite to you the legal tender cases. These are extreme examples admittedly. Scholarship suggests that the Framers intended to prohibit paper money. Any judge who thought today he would go back to the original intent really ought to be accompanied by a guardian rather than be sitting on a bench."71.174.135.204 (talk) 19:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Bork!? Surely you must be joking. —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer Jefferson:
 * So if you believe in "original intent", then you need to recognize that the original intent of the Founders was for Constitutional interpretation to change and evolve with the times. MastCell Talk 20:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * So if you believe in "original intent", then you need to recognize that the original intent of the Founders was for Constitutional interpretation to change and evolve with the times. MastCell Talk 20:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Please respond to question on gold page
Did or did not Madison from the content of his notes understand that the vote passed 9-2, was to cut off any pretext for a paper currency and making the same a tender. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.135.204 (talk) 18:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Arbcom case
I have filed an arbcom case related to the mailing list that you are alledged to be coordinating with. You can review the case at Arbitration/Requests/Case and provide a statement. Hipocrite (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Acknowledged. —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 19:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Here. Cheers, --OhioStandard (talk) 17:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Astrology article
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NLP
Good OR catches on the List of studies in neuro-linguistic programming article. More special pleading and yes-but-ism... Famous <font color="00008B">dog 11:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That "list" is frankly horrifying. It's a classic POV fork and appears to be an amateur editorial attempt a literature review, aimed at countering reviews by actual experts who have reached unflattering conclusions. It also appears to be part of a classic old-school fringe-topic walled garden, of the sort that used to infest topics like autism/vaccines and AIDS-denialism before the Augean stables were cleansed. It seems obvious that both List of studies in neuro-linguistic programming and Neuro-linguistic programming and science should be redirected to Neuro-linguistic programming. I've done so. MastCell Talk 17:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and for bonus points, the parent article neuro-linguistic programming contains at least one immediately obvious blatant copyright violation (removed here), which has apparently stood in the article for quite some time. One can only imagine what a deeper review would reveal. MastCell Talk 18:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Gads. Misrepresentation of sources seems endemic (even on the current talk page). Is that is for the POV forks? —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The two POV forks should probably have been swept up in this mass AfD, which I notice actually cleared out quite a bit of the walled garden. For now I think a redirect is fine in lieu of deletion; if there is in fact anything remotely salvageable in the POV forks, it can be retrieved since the article histories will still exist. As for the talk-page thread you linked... ouch. MastCell Talk 22:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Addendum: this category provides a useful index to the walled garden of POV forks. MastCell Talk 22:23, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Atheism
No disrespect meant. I was looking at WP:RfC. I was drawn here by the prior edits, and I left the rather new editor involved in those some suggestions to maybe make his edits more acceptable. Happy editing. Gtwfan52 (talk) 07:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * None taken. I should have been more specific and included the link in my first edit. Good call. Cheers. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 08:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Euthanasia
Sorry, but I'd like to draw your attention to the last paragraph of my latest response. Also, I'm not sure whether RfC or DRN would be more appropriate (I've never actually escalated before). Arc de Ciel (talk) 07:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I could also do without the WP:BATTLEFIELD attitude in that topic space. Not fun. If some reasonable discussion is not forthcoming I'll file a case at WP:DRN. Hopefully it won't come to that, but we shall see. Regardless, thanks for your calm responses and well reasoned input. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 08:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just go ahead and move to WP:DRN... <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Artifex: This is a content dispute; DRN is really only good for behavioral disputes. The Banner: I suggest that if you cease calling everyone else POV and their suggestions "unhelpful" and stop blind reverting every single attempted phrasing, we might actually be able to improve the article. It is a pity you act like you OWN the darn thing. I suspect you could make some real improvements if you weren't so hidebound about having it exactly your way. One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua ?!? 22:26, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Editing Scientific Racism

 * Material in violation of WP:SYNTH, WP:OR and WP:NPOV will be removed. Please feel free to "report" me. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 12:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User North8000 disruptive talk page editing at talk:Homophobia. Thank you. - MrX 19:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Tony Robbins
I noticed that you reverted my edit to this entry. My understanding, and please feel free to correct me if I am misinformed, is that a citation is placed directly at the end of a sentence in which a disputed contention is made. Are the citations in this case placed at the end of the paragraph due to the fact that multiple claims are being sourced at once? Thank you (67.234.149.217 (talk) 02:08, 21 November 2012 (UTC))
 * Typically citations are placed at the end of the sentence or paragraph that they support. However they are not preferred in the article lead section (see WP:LEAD). Regardless, the text in question is well supported by several sources given in the last paragraph of the lead. (As I have not edited the Tony Robbins entry, I'm assuming your question concerns this edit to the NLP entry.) — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 03:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

LGBT Parenting
The two people that commented on the Marks article (near the bottom) on the talk page were agreeable to put it in. Please justify how you feel on there if you want it not included. 128.187.97.18 (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Marks is not a recognized expert on the topic. See WP:UNDUE. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

From the Puppy

 * Thank you very much! Best wishes to you and yours. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 04:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
For the barnstar, much appreciated! <font color="#801818" face="Papyrus">Snowded <font color="#708090" face="Baskerville">TALK 19:38, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Collaboration on Astrology: Cognitive Bias
Because you have participated in this section of the Astrology article, or have recently contributed to it, you are hereby informed that your input at Astrology: Cognitive Bias would be highly appreciated in time for a planned update on Jan. 3, 2012. Thank you! Ken McRitchie (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Acknowledged. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 18:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments about Jensen and Rushton
I would ask that you avoid making these kinds of comments about the recently-deceased. There is absolutely no reason to speak so ill of the dead and essentially spit on their graves so soon after they have passed. You may disagree with the views they held, but making such comments is pointless and not conducive to maintaining a collaborative environment in our efforts to build an encyclopedia.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 22:39, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well they are both currently dead and were both scientific racists and psuedoscientists so you'll pardon me if I'm not terribly concerned. Say hi to Occam for me. Have a real fine day. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 18:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

111.161.30.218
The edits of this open proxy using UK English seem to be far more typical of the trolling style of Echigo mole. I have reported the IP at WikiProject Open Proxies. The trolling edit should probably be removed from User talk:BlackHades: once removed it cannot be restored because of the arbcom motion about banned users. (Echigo mole seems to have deliberately confused Guettarda and Dougweller.) Mathsci (talk) 03:54, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the very helpful comments on the Race and genetics talk page.
Hi, ArtifexMayhem,

I have been rather quiescent in editing for a while, mainly just wiki-gnoming articles I happen to look up for my own personal research, but I see you have been making good contributions to some of the more controversial articles here. I invite you to look at User:WeijiBaikeBianji/AnthropologyHumanBiologyRaceCitations for references to reliable sources for updating articles on topics related to the article where I saw your helpful talk page comments. Keep up the good work. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:19, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

DFTT?
As at ?LeadSongDog  come howl!  17:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep. That was a mistake on my part. Thanks for smacking me on it:) — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 00:42, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

hi
hey hello!

About this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cold_fusion&diff=545554777&oldid=545469120

In 2008 Arata's cold fusion contraption was peer reviewed and replicated. We have no reliable sources that question these results. If you want to reduce this to something hypothetical you need to provide sources for that theory as well. If you can provide a citation that considers Arata's contraption hypothetical that would have to be attributed to the source as well.

Kindly your views on the talk page, thank you. 84.106.26.81 (talk) 07:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions warning
It seems nobody has notified you of the discretionary sanctions in the race and intelligence topic yet, so I'm notifying you of them now. If you continue blanking every section that you think has a problem and making no effort to improve any of them, you probably will be reported at AE eventually. Akuri (talk) 13:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Continued misreprestation of sources is not advised. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Rollback: apology
I accidentally rolled back one of your edits. Sorry about that; fortunately it was soon fixed William M. Connolley (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for the note. OM always said you were the man. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 20:50, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Genetic Cluster Chart
Did you even bother reading talk or looking through any of the sources I listed? Please explain how it is WP:OR as the chart is directly from the source itself. Similar charts and similar data exists in countless other secondary sources as I've clearly shown. Please stop your edit warring to remove chart which is supported by WP:reliable sources. BlackHades (talk) 22:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. I have. Continued abuse of sources in pursuit of a specific POV is not in the best interests of this project. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 00:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * There are other reliable sources that specifically refer to these exact same population groups as "races". Would you then have no objection if I simply replaced this chart with a nearly identical chart from another reliable source that calls these population groups "races"? How about if we replaced the chart with one of the other related charts in the other sources I listed? I'd argue removing relevant content on the flimsiest of reasons in pursuit of a specific POV would not be in the best interests of this project. BlackHades (talk) 03:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Content not supported by sources is never relevant to this project. I'll respond to article questions on the article talk page. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 03:43, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

arbcom
Without saying anything about the material you have posted, I am quite impressed with how you have organized it. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ] # _  19:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Probably a little much but the rocket scientist in me tends toward precision ... It's a habit. (The behavior not the hat) — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 21:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration case "Race and politics" opened
An arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by May 21, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 01:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration case "Race and politics" opened
An arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by May 21, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 01:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

You aren't listed as a party in the race and politics case, so the drafting arbitrator (AGK) said I should let you know I intend to present evidence about you there. The discussion is here. Akuri (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks for letting me know. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 21:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI
Akuri has mentioned you in an arbcom request here. Mathsci (talk) 22:58, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Lovely. Thanks for the heads up. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 23:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Akuri has now been indefinitely blocked by NuclearWarfare. I have requested that his evidence be removed and that your name be removed as a party. Mathsci (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

How do we avoid this in the future?
So things seem to be wrapping up with arbcom. I wanted to solicit your opinion on how I could have handled this differently, and on what additional mechanisms might have made this easier for the community to deal with? I feel like I had to really expend a lot more effort than I should have just to get folks to review the edit history. I also feel like there might be alternative mechanisms that can be called in when a content dispute becomes more obviously about behavior. I don't know that there is an easy separation between the two, much of the time. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ] # _  17:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think that there is any easy way to stay out of trouble when some people come to the project with agendas other than building a well sourced encyclopedia. All you can do about that is do your own edits as well as possible, sticking to the reliable sources. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 17:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree that that is the foremost concern, but it seems incomplete to me. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ] # _  17:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It also appears that I was reading the majority reference wrong, and the decision is still in question. apologies for jumping the gun. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ] # _  21:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * For me checking sources is key. POV pushers will always manipulate sources to support their pov (e.g., my evidence). Obviously finding and challenging those manipulations is a lot of work, but I don't know what else could be done. Unfortunately WeijiBaikeBianji is right – there is no "easy" way to deal with disruptive editors. We muddle through. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 02:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Motion regarding Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics
Resolved by motion:

"In his evidence submission to this case, stated he is immediately retiring from editing Wikipedia:

Apostle12's conduct was a substantial part of the present arbitration case (Race and politics) and hearing this case in Apostle12's absence would serve no purpose. The committee therefore resolves that:
 * 1) The present arbitration case is suspended for two months (from the date this motion passes).
 * 2) If Apostle12 returns while this case is suspended, arbitration proceedings will resume.
 * 3) If Apostle12 does not return to editing before two months have elapsed: he will be indefinitely prohibited from editing any page relating to "race and politics", broadly construed; and this case will be un-suspended and closed.
 * 4) Apostle12 is directed to inform the Arbitration Committee if he returns to editing the English Wikipedia using any account.

Apostle12 (and all of his accounts, if he has created one or more others at that time) may be indefinitely blocked by any uninvolved administrator if he violates the prohibitions in points 3 or 4 of this motion."

For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 02:28, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Discuss this

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to you let you know of a discussion at the Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You do not need to participate; however, you are invited to help find a resolution. The thread is "Talk:Race and genetics". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! EarwigBot  operator /  talk  20:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you planning on participating, or should we start without you? --Guy Macon (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Rats. Sorry for the delay. I'll make a statement shortly. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 15:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:DRN
Hi! I would like to encourage you to joining the conversation at WP:DRN. I don't want some voices to end up dominating the discussion or for anyone to feel that their input is not valued. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:31, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Been really busy but I will get to it. Thanks for your patience. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 23:04, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution
Hello. Did you get a chance to look at my reply to your post at Dispute resolution noticeboard? Could you let me know your thoughts? Hopefully we can get this all resolved. Thanks. BlackHades (talk) 17:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)