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Hi I am Christopher2625649908
Hi this is Christopher, who you welcomed yesterday. Unfortunately, due to strict censorship where I live, I will no longer be able to log onto the Chinese Wikipedia site from Jun 9th on, and until Aug 20th. As you know I am a beginner in Wikipedia still, despite that I have had my account for over one year. Therefore, to continue our conversation, just feel free to put it here in the English site. I sincerely apologize for all the inconveniences this has brought to you.

You might also have seen me modifying your user page just now - well that's my fault sorry. Now I move all the above here. Christopher2625649908 (talk) 04:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)


 * :) --Artoria2e5 emits crap 04:26, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

First reply from User:Vicipahkou (In Chinese)
您给我留言用了中文，所以在这里我也用中文.

关于我写的文章
我已经加了source, 就在GB2312_Blocks这篇文章第一句中GB2312-80，是个外部链接，链到中国语言文字网. 每个区块哪些码位分配了哪些没有我都是参考它的. 如果要删我也无所谓.

所以我强调是GB2312-80是因为中国语言文字网上的文档是GB2312-80的.

关于我用了EUC-CN的问题，我的文章整体架构是一个个区块来的，每个区块94个码位，并标注了区号，这与GB2312标准相符. GBK/2这篇也是先区号位号，再用EUC-CN.

至于Wikisource or archive.org，我没听说过，可能也打不开.

关于番羽墙
以前翻过，但网速超慢，所以懒得翻了. 还有您给的CJKV Information Processing链到谷歌我也打不开，聊天室打开也慢，就是这个英语维基打开也很慢. 所以我大概与中文维基百科无缘了. 英文维基百科也懒得写了

Vicipahkou (talk) 07:30, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * thanks! --Artoria2e5 contrib 17:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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. Fixing that would require making changes in infoboxes on a lot of pages. But if you have a lot of time and desire to fix it, I can tell you what to do. My very best wishes (talk) 19:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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Hello! Could you help me to find chinese original name for Governar № 5,6,7 in link above?--Kaiyr (talk) 10:34, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. I have found a (not-so-reliable) Chinese source at (accurate until 2016, when 黄三平 got a raise); the table on the left are secretaries, and the one on the right are Governors. The problem is that none of them seem to match up with any names from the article. It's quite likely that it is the article that is wrong, because searching for these Chinese names (plus 伊犁) in my link does return official (Xinhua, etc.) sources naming them as Governors, while many of the "Governors" in the articles appear seem be return National People's Congress representatives instead. Some big restructing of the names might be in order. --Artoria2e5 🌉 17:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for answer. Is there any information about governors and secrataries of CCP of Altay Prefecture and Tacheng Prefecture? Or here: --Kaiyr (talk) 05:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * User:Diannaa, if you checked the bottom of the page, you will see that it comes from the public domain InterPro. --Artoria2e5 🌉 21:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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You ask m (→‎Types: I get the cite correction, but what's this template style...) I find multiline template invokations far easier to read and edit with 1 parameter per line, so if I am editing a template invokation to add new parameters, I will generally format it that way. You should not be reverting such edits (as minor or otherwise) without a stronger justification. First, because you shouldn't revert changes you don't understand. (If you don't understand, ask!) Second, because your edit does not improve the article for readers. Third, because your edit does not (in my opinion) improve the editability of the article for those people who are editing citations. Thanks. Merry Christmas. jhawkinson (talk) 08:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I get the idea behind multiline stuff, but I've never seen anyone put the pipe (|) symbol at the end of line before. What's the story behind it? --Artoria2e5 🌉 11:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * There's not a lot of guidance on Wikipedia or in Mediawiki help in general (or in the CS1 templates in specific) about how to format template parameters (just spent way too much time looking!), we're pretty much on our own. For named parameters, whitespace is removed at the beginning or the end, so vertical bars can go at the beginning of the line or the end of the line (aka "vertical format"). I don't think too hard about it, I just type it the way that comes naturally, evidently with the | at the end. Sorry for not having a story. jhawkinson (talk) 20:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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Sorry about the graphics!
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Sorry about the problem in the graphics! I was working on the problem, and I left it unpublished for a while, and so when I came back to it I was in a rush and I didn’t notice that you had already fixed the problem! Sorry!

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, the thing is it is empty and the only thing that has ever put stuff in it is a fixed typo in a template. Hope that clears things up. --Artoria2e5 🌉 18:04, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

……That's odd. It's not refreshing properly. --Artoria2e5 🌉 07:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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, you are right that the lack of vertical zhuyin is a major issue for Wikipedia's Mandarin content. The general way to lay it out is specified in CLREQ. As for putting it to HTML tags, there's basically only one mature way to do it as seen in https://www.moedict.tw/ and https://hanzi.pro. So here's how it goes in the two systems:


 * 1) On the HTML authoring side, the author writes standard  tags with </rtc> in it. The annotation type is marked in the zhuyin/pinyin properties.
 * 2) Now <rtc ></rtc> is obviously terribly supported by browsers, so the JavaScript component transforms it into some more palatable bunch of tags. The zhuyin part is expressed in a completely custom tag, while pinyin uses the normal <rt ></rt>. Some CSS magic then tells the browser to put the custom tag to the right of the text.

I think with some adaptation this thing can be ported to Wikipedia: we will basically do what the JS does in Lua, and replace the custom tag with a div-with-class to appease the MediaWiki software. Wikitext is not sufficient because while a pinyin string can and often should refer to many syllables (orthography), zhuyin always has exactly one character to be stuck to; this "rbspan" logic needs to go into Lua. (Well, since I've written so much, I really think we should move the discussion into the template. Or maybe just wait until I write the module.) --Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 16:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, the idea is at Module:Ruby-zh. It's not usable yet -- see the comments at bottom. --Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 16:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

, thank you so much for starting the essential work on this. Sorry that I can't help on the coding side, but I'm insanely grateful for the type of work you do. I hope you can get this module up and running. Also, solidarity to you with your mental health issues - please take care of yourself. Again, thank you. - Esmost  talk   06:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

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, it appears the addition was done by the file importer tool. Maybe a phab ticket should be opened for that? Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 06:44, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's your responsibility to use tools appropriately and your responsibility for any mistakes the tool makes. If the tool isn't getting something right either don't use it or correct the mistake afterwards before moving on.  I don't know who maintains that tool so I don't know whether or not the devs will take responsibility for it with a Phabricator ticket.  By all means put in a ticket, but even if it is accepted it is unlikely the devs will put any priority on an issue that is only local to one wiki. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 09:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Military of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
Hi, I noticed that you put a request for additions to the equipment of the Military of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, specifically those donned by pre-2021 Taliban forces. Do you have links to any propaganda videos/photos you have come across? Do pass them on and I will do my best to identify the equipment and add them. Regards.ElderZamzam (talk) 01:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I think the NVG stuff is better documented at https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/world/asia/taliban-night-vision.html, regarding a Nov 2017 attack. Taliban says they are captured, and I don't find much reason to not think so.
 * The uniform side is more finicky. They are known to use old uniforms. They also showed off some gear in "special forces" propaganda vids (2017), but I don't have a clue whether these are captures or clones. Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 02:52, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thank you for those :D I will check them out. Regards.ElderZamzam (talk) 12:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Artoria2e5, thank you for the recent edits of the article Ribosomal DNA. I am not an expert in this field, but I think it should also include information on rDNA plasmids found in some eukaryotic species (see: The Ribosomal DNA Plasmids of Entamoeba). What are your thoughts? :-) --Pinoczet (talk) 11:15, 12 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Fascinating! Yes, I will include that along with the bunch of missing information I added when I have time. Maybe today! Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 05:03, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. Great job! While editing an article, I found some papers on the linear mitochondrial plasmids S1 and S2 present in maize that can integrate into the main mtDNA chromosome. See e.g.: Characterization of a Novel Thermosensitive Restorer of Fertility for Cytoplasmic Male Sterility in Maize and Integrated R2 sequence in mitochondria of fertile B37N maize encodes and expresses a 130 kD polypeptide similar to that encoded by the S2 episome of S-type male sterile plants. Other related mitochondrial plasmids also exist: the R1 and R2 plasmids in maize, the M1 and M2 plasmids in teosinte, and the N1 and N2 plasmids in sorghum. That is a very interesting topic, but I do not know where exactly this information should be added. Perhaps you will find a proper way to do it? :-) Have a nice day! --Pinoczet (talk) 18:00, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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Niacin split reverted
I undid the split of Niacin, as a consensus had not been reached back when you proposed it and I opposed it. Please change the titles from Niacin (substance) back to Niacin and Niacin (nutrient) back to Vitamin B3. I did not delete the content you moved from what was Niacin to what was Vitamin B3, but you may want to consider cutting some if not all of it. My strong opinion here - having raised Niacin to Good article - is that Wikipedia visitors interested in the vitamin are going to enter "Niacin" as a search item, and will be better served if all of the information is in one place. The pre-split sections are modeled to deliver the same information as in the other nine vitamin articles I have raised to GA. For many of those, there are vitamers, and separate articles, but the main set of information is at the common vitamin name. David notMD (talk) 02:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

David notMD, I do not thinl hanging onto the GA status for a poorly-grafted article is a healthy thing in this case. If keeping the GA is the purpose, the GA shall be transferred to the "main" topic, which is the vitamin in this case. If search term is the purpose, then we shall let "Niacin" be the nutrient title and "Nicotinic acid" be the substance title. (See also the etymology of "niacin" -- the word was only intended for use by casuals talking about nutrition; what has happened afterwards to common use is, well, extremely unfortunate. We can't revert the COMMONNAME, but choosing to not use it for disambguition is completely acceptable.) The current status cannot last, and the removal of SPLIT tag is a very wrong way to end the discussion. Pinging User:Doc James (created B3 article) for input on this page. --Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 03:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for inviting DJ to this. My concern is that there was no successful attempt at consensus prior to your major changes to what were the Niacin and Vitamin B3 articles. David notMD (talk) 10:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that the name change caused Niacin to lose it Vital article connection, and that the creation of a disambigulation page has caused problems. David notMD (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

This split has thrown red flags, that I, as a Wikipedia referee, patrol for – i.e., it was not done in a competent technical manner. In trying to make sense of this, I quickly noticed this contradiction: This strikes me as WP:Content forking as both the "substance" and "nutrient" articles cover the same topic... the vitamin!
 * The disambiguation page has a line for Niacin (substance), the vitamin;
 * The lead sentence of Niacin (nutrient) says "Niacin, also known as vitamin B3, is a vitamin... family?

Explain to me how a "nutrient" is not a "substance". nutrient says it's a "substance that provides nourishment".

So your disambiguators fail to disambiguate! wbm1058 (talk) 17:29, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

User:wbm1058:
 * There’s a conceptual difference between a nutritional entity and a pure chemical substance. Glucose and starch are unified in the nutritional entity of carbohydrates. Collagen and hemoglobin are different proteins, but when you eat it both are unified in the category of proteins. (Not to go into how both of these terms refer to a collection of molecules grouped by compositional similarity that can come from any species!) Would you like to dispute the statement "protein is a nutrient"? Nutrients come in forms.
 * I am not even sure where you got that wiktionary quote from. The last edit is from 2 weeks ago and it mentions nothing about substance.

Niacin, in the sense of the line on nutritional facts, as the thing found in all kinds of food, is different from the sense of a blush-inducing substance we call nicotinic acid. To quote the NIH niacin fact sheet, "Most dietary niacin is in the form of nicotinic acid and nicotinamide, …"

So your technical argument fails to argue technically! Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 00:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

And do we want to talk technical? I would love for the pages to be called "niacin" and "nicotinic acid", but moves to existing titles are a pain. Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 00:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Specifically the technical issue is that Talk:Niacin redirects to Talk:Niacin (substance), putting it into Category:Articles with talk page redirects, the category that I'm currently working on cleaning out. Then there's the issue that there are nearly 400 mainspace links to the now-ambiguous term Niacin that require prompt disambiguation. For example, in the article on cooking: "The bioavailability of some vitamins such as thiamin, vitamin B6, niacin, folate, and carotenoids are increased with cooking by being freed from the food microstructure." That sentence calls niacin a vitamin, so I suppose I need to disambiguate that to niacin (vitamin). Oops, red link. Is that a substance or is it a nutrient? I think it's both. A vitamin is both a substance and a nutrient. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Specifically the technical issue is that... We could've saved time and argument by saying that in the first place. Like I said, I would love for the Vitamin B3 page to be called "niacin" and the niacin page to be called "nicotinic acid", but such moves are bothersome. And FYI, not all of the links to the disambig refer to the nutritional entity: the many Hydroxycarboxylic acid receptor pages refer to the acid, the nicotinate pages refer to the acid, the bunch of trade names refer to the acid as a drug, plus some chemical articles... A review of the links will be needed anyways.
 * A vitamin is both a substance and a nutrient. A vitamin is not always a chemical substance (and come on, we are clearly talking about the chemical definition given the context); a vitamer, probably. What's with the insistence on doing ontology on a field you are not familiar with? (Forgot the ping. ) Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 00:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Another technical issue has come to my attention. When you moved Talk:Niacin to Talk:Niacin (substance) you failed to move its subpages. Talk:Niacin has 4 subpages:
 * Talk:Niacin/Archive 1
 * Talk:Niacin/GA1
 * Talk:Niacin/lovastatin (this is actually the talk for Niacin/lovastatin so should not have moved)
 * Talk:Niacin/simvastatin (this is actually the talk for Niacin/simvastatin so should not have moved)
 * I think you missed this issue because only WP:Page movers and administrators can move subpages with a single click on a checkbox allowing automatic moves of up to 100 subpages. But, in this case, since only 2 of 4 pages should move, the moves must be done manually.
 * When you moved Niacin to Niacin (substance) you should have moved it without leaving behind a redirect, but again I think only WP:Page movers and admins have the checkbox that allows that. Not a big deal in itself as I can just delete the redirect as a WP:CSD cleanup operation. My point in mentioning that you threw red flags was to let you know I found these page moves independently and not because someone asked me to help.
 * So you recognize that some "moves are bothersome". I don't follow your rationale in deciding that moving Niacin to Niacin (substance) and Vitamin B3 to Niacin (nutrient) would not be bothersome. You should have considered these to be potentially controversial moves and followed the instructions at WP:RM to start a requested move discussion. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:44, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * So you recognize that some "moves are bothersome". I don't follow your rationale in deciding that moving Niacin to Niacin (substance) and Vitamin B3 to Niacin (nutrient) would not be bothersome. You should have considered these to be potentially controversial moves and followed the instructions at WP:RM to start a requested move discussion. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:44, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * So you recognize that some "moves are bothersome". I don't follow your rationale in deciding that moving Niacin to Niacin (substance) and Vitamin B3 to Niacin (nutrient) would not be bothersome. You should have considered these to be potentially controversial moves and followed the instructions at WP:RM to start a requested move discussion. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:44, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Artoria2e5. I noticed your recent additions to Chlorophyllide and Chlorophyll synthase but I didn't understand this bit. Surely the enzyme takes 'ide a to a; 'ide b to b; 'ide d to d and 'ide f to f? Why therefore the "and vice versa for...." the last pair? I have reworded that part to "and similarly for", which I hope you agree is OK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

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Back in April (but I've only just seen it) you pointed out that red links fulfil a purpose and asked that they should be used in List of EC numbers (EC 2). I think you are right and I've been busy redlinking the names of enzymes that don't have Wikipedia articles. I've got as far as EC 2.2.1.14. Could you have a look, please, and let me know if that is what you wanted. Athel cb (talk) 12:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! You are doing pretty well. Artoria2e5 <small style="font-weight:lighter">🌉 13:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you as well, in particular for your quick reply.
 * Dealing with all the Lists of EC numbers (not just EC 2) is going to take a while, so don't expect definitive results tomorrow. Also, when I'm working on a large job I sometimes get bored and work on something else for a while. That's what happened previously to the Lists of EC numbers, which I temporarily put in abeyance last September and am picking up the pieces now. Athel cb (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Lysozyme
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"This article is missing information about Lysozymes beyond the C type/GH22 -- there is an entire superfamily out there (doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0015388), some of which do exhibit EC 3.2.1.17 activity despite not being GH22 (e.g. 'goose' GH23, doi:10.1186/s12862-014-0188-x). Please expand the article to include this information. Further details may exist on the talk page. (May 2022)"

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Feline panleukopenia virus
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I changed Pentavalent vaccine to an SIA
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Noted your change - I tried to add context from PHARMA and FOOD - but got seriously attacked - I worked in a PHARMA aseptic processing facility for some 20 odd years - but in this world I learned that expertise is often dismissed - and I do get that - I approached the original author think they might be long gone - I am going to revisit this in the future - my changes are apparent in the log - I still think they are acceptable - but I have so may Admin warnings I fear to go near the article cheers Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 13:03, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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CS1 error on Single particle analysis
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