User talk:Artwriter111

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 * Hello! Thanks so much for your help with this issue. I would like to take you up on your offer to proofread this article so it might be accepted. I have disclosed that this is about me, Matthew Israel, and I would appreciate your feedback. Thank you. Artwriter111 (talk) 13:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Artwriter111. Its not so much the proofreading, its the fact that the sources you have provided do not show you are notable yet under WP:NARTIST.  Qcne  (talk)  19:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks so much for your feedback. However I wouldn't be considered under ARTIST as I am not one. I am an author and I believe I would qualify for notability for a CREATIVE PROFESSIONAL or ACADEMIC due to my work on The Art Genome Project, which is on Wikipedia, and where I am widely cited as being connected with it. Artwriter111 (talk) 20:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, you're quite right- you're under WP:NAUTHOR. That was a typo. Do you have significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources (not interviews, not affiliated with the Art Genome Project) that discuss your work?  Qcne  (talk)  20:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I do. I listed many of them in the entry.
 * I also have more here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/11vZqqBkJLSkzrSg_ijQX84TFDl7R5lDELT2jJ0EkDIg/edit# Artwriter111 (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The original draft had 5 sources, only the NYT one was acceptable for showing notability.
 * You've just linked your resume, but I presume you mean the links on pages 12 and 13. Choose three sources from that list that meet every one of these criteria:
 * devote significant coverage to you (not just a listing, or a brief mention).
 * are independent of you (not an interview, not from your employer).
 * are from reliable places (not random blogs, or forums, or social media).
 *  Qcne  (talk)  21:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That is so strange. There were originally a lot more sources added.
 * I just reviewed the history and it seems this user removed the sources:
 * curprev 08:30, 15 July 2024‎ Jimfbleak  talk contribs‎  2,923 bytes −6,604‎  massive over-referencing inluding multiple inappropriate refs to his own publications, hardly independent third-party sources undothank
 * I don't agree with their feedback. I have seen other pages use references in these ways. And the only references I applied to my own publications were the ISBN numbers.
 * Thanks again for your help! Artwriter111 (talk) 21:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You have repeatedly been told to check what we accept as independent third-party sources, and I'd be interested to know how your own publications are independent of you. Also see See What about article x?. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your advice and help with this. I will review the policies again and the article you suggest and make the further changes. Artwriter111 (talk) 13:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Artwriter111 Jim has given good advice above about what we consider independent sources. The best way forward is to give me three sources that meet the 3 criteria I listed above. That'll give some steer on if you pass our notability threshold or not.  Qcne  (talk)  10:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much again for your help with this. Here are a number of pieces which meet the above criteria. (Note: I have included some sources like The New York Times and The Boston Globe because of their influence, even though my mentions were not as substantial there.):
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/arts/design/artsy-is-mapping-the-world-of-art-on-the-web.html
 * https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/mapping-the-art-genome-105201397/
 * https://newspaperarchives.vassar.edu/?a=d&d=vq20130901-01.2.18&e=---en-20--1--txt-txIN
 * https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2020/08/13/why-jeff-koons-is-so-difficult-to-please-the-strange-venice-biennale-selection-process-and-which-collector-is-a-game-changer
 * https://aestheticamagazine.com/a-year-in-the-art-world/
 * https://galeriemagazine.com/11-fascinating-art-books-fall-2020/
 * https://globalnews.ca/video/4430747/showcasing-emerging-montreal-artists
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/whats-happening-in-the-district-of-columbia/2017/09/12/a32fae84-82c5-11e7-b359-15a3617c767b_story.html
 * https://www.boston.com/culture/lifestyle/2017/05/01/10-events-that-will-make-you-smarter-this-month-3/
 * https://whitewall.art/art/contemporary-art-in-10-works-the-big-picture-by-matthew-israel/ (Interview)
 * Looking forward to your thoughts. Artwriter111 (talk) 19:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Artwriter111. I asked for three. Looking at those sources, most of them fail the independent criteria I set out, as they are based off interviews with you. Interviews do not count towards notability. There are a couple of non-interview sources, but these talk about your book- so would maybe confer notability to the book but not the author.
 * Again, we'd need three sources that are:
 * devote significant coverage to you (not just a listing, or a brief mention).
 * are independent of you (not an interview, not from your employer).
 * are from reliable places (not random blogs, or forums, or social media).
 *  Qcne  (talk)  12:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Qcne. Thanks so much again for your help with this and your continued feedback. Apologies; I thought more would be better. And I included interviews based on the current reality of arts journalism—that so many profiles are interviews (as they are easier to produce). Based on your reply though, I would go with these three. I am adding NYT because of the notability of the source.
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/arts/design/artsy-is-mapping-the-world-of-art-on-the-web.html
 * https://newspaperarchives.vassar.edu/?a=d&d=vq20130901-01.2.18&e=---en-20--1--txt-txIN
 * https://issuu.com/originmagazine/docs/issuu_origin23
 * I also have bios about me for book launch events were hosted as prestigious venus such as the New York Public Library, the Strand Bookstore, and the Art Gallery of Ontario. Would these qualify?
 * https://www.nypl.org/audiovideo/big-picture-nicholas-baume-adrienne-edwards-jens-hoffmann-matthew-israel-arezoo-moseni
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GHABo6OAWw&ab_channel=StrandBookStore
 * https://soundcloud.com/agotoronto/ago-talk-matthew-israel-2017 Artwriter111 (talk) 14:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Artwriter111. I am trying to prove notability under WP:NPEOPLE or WP:NWRITER. So when I am looking at the sources, I am not discounting them as good sources or not, I am purely trying to see if they provide significant independent coverage of you as a person.
 * NYT: a reliable source for sure, but it's mostly about the Project. The reference to you is fairly brief, and I wouldn't call this significant coverage unfortunately.
 * Vassar Quarterly: another reliable source, which is mostly based off an interview with you (so not independent) but does have a little bit of commentary so I would call this borderline.
 * Origin Magazine: forgive me, but I only find a single reference to you, a brief blurb written by yourself on page 29.
 * NYPL: a useful review of your book, and I think this could be a borderline source for proving notability.
 * The other two are just interviews so cannot confer notability.
 * I think we're close. What we're really looking for is a source that provides significant coverage of you through the use of discussion, commentary, debate, analysis, transformation but specifically not based on an interview.
 * The alternative angle is to create a draft page for one of your books, and see if it can pass WP:NBOOK. The barriers for books are certainly lower, as literary reviews easily provide that significant, independent, reliable coverage which is what we are looking for.  Qcne  (talk)  20:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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