User talk:Arugam

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February 2011
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This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, as you did at Microbrewery, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ''Do not write "Shortly after, the now disgraced German entrepreneur Wolfgang Ullrich..." backed up only by the very small news website.Pattaya Mail, which does not say Ullrich was convicted after his arrest. Defamatory attacks on living persons require more substantial referencing than this.'' Binksternet (talk) 19:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Acknowledgement by user Arugam Thank you for your kind advice. Indeed the Herr Ullrich story is not relevant in this context and should not have been mentioned. However, please be informed that there have been a number of convictions. According to German media like http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/skandal-die-geldmaschine-der-mitleidsmafia_aid_186948.html and many more in German language, the highest Court of Appeal upheld a 12 year prison sentence. For industrial fraud well in excess of 50 Million Euro.Reported are 500,000 victims. Spiegel also reported http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-18869749.html We however feel, very strongly, that Asia's first and still existing Micro Brewhouse at remote Arugam Bay is very relevant in this article. If more information or substantiation is required, we will endeavor to comply.


 * Can you prove that the Arugam Bay brew is the first microbrew in Asia? I see no reliable sources to back up your claim, only a Facebook page which is not suitable. This whole addition of yours is sorely lacking in reliable sources, and looks to me as if it is taken from firsthand experience rather than from published materials. The Wikipedia guideline relating to that practice is that will be no original research placed in the online encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * User Arugam says: We see your point. But in a remote village, cut off due a a 30 year long civil war, with no electricity and certainly no Internet or media which was allowed to cover the entire region until recently Printed proof is difficult or impossible. There are, however a few thousand (maybe 30,000 in all) visitors and patrons, who have sampled the brew over the years. These are living witnesses, and all we can offer at present. We searched for other supporting documents such as earlier local Court convictions (for illegal brewing operations). But, as well known the entire area was wiped out at the 2004 Tsunami with its 48ft high waves. In this predicament, no PRINTED documents seem to have survived. In any event, we just wanted to correct the Wiki entry with locally well known facts. If unacceptable, even under such compelling circumstances: Forget any contribution from us. btw: We are NOT the brew masters, own the pub, or indeed have any direct benefit from this: We are just the local Hotel Association of Arugam Bay, and highly respected members of this society. Thanks for your words and guidance.--Arugam (talk) 09:22, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Printing also goes on in the world outside of Arugam Bay. If none of the 30,000 visitors wrote in a travelogue about drinking from the first microbrewery in Asia I would be surprised. The sources which are presented by Wikipedia must already have been published. "Locally well known facts" must be published, too.
 * Your user name Arugam appears to represent a group, a practice which is not permitted per WP:CORPNAME. You can change your username at WP:CHU. Cheers—Binksternet (talk) 14:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Good points!Being pretty new to the wonders of the Internet we will try search for some old traveler's blogs. However, one wonders if this will then be acceptable? Re the name change: We were unaware of this up to know and will look into the name change matter.--Arugam (talk) 19:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)