User talk:Asails

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Hi, I've reverted your edits for a second time (and notice that someone else reverted them earlier this month) for several reasons: you removed sourced dictionary references, continue to radically change the meaning of the introduction, add cites without linking them to an online source that can be checked, and, finally, appear to be rewriting the article to suit your point of view. Please add properly sourced content that can shed light on the word's history and meaning, per WP:RELIABLE, but without original research, WP:NOR, or violating WP:NPOV. The term is widely considered pejorative-- you're free to call dictionaries 'ignorant', but the word is used in a primarily derogatory fashion-- and to attempt to reconfigure that isn't likely to gain traction. Perhaps some of the history you've referred to can be restored with proper citations, but without the effort to change the article's intent, or at soapboxing, per WP:SOAPBOX. Thank you, 76.248.147.199 (talk) 20:27, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I feel like I need to cover the bases, in case you're new to Wikipedia: oral histories and personal interviews are not considered reliable sources. Additionally, to contravene the current sourced content will probably require multiple reliable sources. 76.248.147.199 (talk) 20:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

NEVER HEARD THIS DEROGATORY USE OF THE WORD Jack Tar (talk) WILLIE THE WOP; WILLIE PEP THE GREATEST "BOXER" OF ALL TIME....

Where did you go to school?.. Maybe the word was used is a local area to be derogatory.

I have many Italians that I have used as references about the use of the word Wop. Specifically people from Southern Italy that have a handle about their family stories and history. If you think a dictionary written by people who don't understand a group of people who use the word "wop" then all hope is lost....


 * All hope isn't lost; an encyclopedia is built on reliable sources, rather than lore. It's not my guideline, it's Wikipedia's and it insures that content can be verified via acceptable published sources. 76.248.147.199 (talk) 21:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing reliable about your meaning of WOP. I never heard it before ...Sorry? As I said all hope is lost.

Most reliable sources are being found to be unreliable as documented but people still run to those discredited sources. I added those sources in my edits and will add more if allowed. Others are added which are copyrighted. Often I have been told that my sources were not reliable only to be vindicated.

In the 50's the word Wop was used for any dark skinned person of latin origin. Nothing can be found historically about Vappa bad wine or French origins or who claimed this other than some old dictionary. Some older dictionaries from the early 1900s state this but they are few and far between.

You must remember that the area the word Wop or Guappo started is an area that was once under French control but then that does not make the word French. After all the Monarchs of Europe tried to rewrite history in their image as documented in the citations I included. Now I only hear the word used among Italians in the vain it was meant or jocularly. Sadly the meaning you suggests denigrates it to meaning a slur for Italians while the people who used it were not even from the Italian tribes but were rather Spanish Jews and their cohorts... I can only guess that you are neither as my heritage is Italian, Neapolitan, and Sicilian.

1) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia as I understand. 2) Other entries in Wikipedia disagree with your entries in many locations. Maybe you should change those also. 3) I go to a dictionary to find the meanings and spelling of words. An encyclopedia and then research to find understanding.  You have simply entered a dictionary meaning without research.  The dictionary meaning cites no research. I am confused again. 4) Verbal history written and documented seem to always be valid and binding. What has changed?

Have fun..


 * My source? No, this is derived from Random House: . I don't think you get it: your anecdotal additions to William Gaddis are, likewise, unsourced. There's nothing confusing about the guidelines, which I didn't invent. I'll include a link here that may be helpful:

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Sorry your meanings and explanation of Wop are completely off base. Your 50 North and 40 West........

WHEN the cabin port-holes are dark and green Because of the seas outside;

When the ship goes wop (with a wiggle between) And the steward falls into the soup-tureen, And the trunks begin to slide;

When Nursey lies on the floor in a heap, And Mummy tells you to let her sleep,

And you aren't waked or washed or dressed, Why, then you will know (if you haven't guessed)

You're "Fifty North and Forty West!"

McAroni Ballads 1919

In memory of Joyce Kilmer

Argument

My title has a foreign look,

The sor of Latin Label

One might expect upon a book

Devoted to the table

A word of many meanings

(One Noah Webster, LLD., Explains it's Yankee leanings)

And some of these I think will fit The facts and personages My puny pipings cause to flit

Among these prtend pages.

If, still you deem my plain intent Too delicately subtle,

I've yet another argument To offer in rebuttal:

Since these my verses scarce my claim Much share of fame or boodle

But merrely aim to laud the name Of Mr. Yankee Doodle, May I-whose Pegasus, mayhap, Like his, is but a pony- '''Not stick a feather in my cap And call it McAroni?'''

 Another wop Wop WOp WOP

THE FREE HITTER BY RUNYON...

Listen ! I've elbowed me way from Now^here to a seat wit' a champion team,

By puttin' some dents in the center field fence along o' me turrible steam.

I've heard 'em debatin' me system, an' I've heard 'em discussin' me style — Listen !

Me secret is punchin' the ball on the snout an' makin' it ramble a mile!

That's me!

I always hit it a mile! It's a trick that I learned in the Timber, for the boss he

would say wit' a smile:

" Step up there, you rummy, an' wop it, an' be sure ,that you wop it a mile! "

The fadeaways fade to a fancy, an' the spitters go splat- terin' out,

An' all o' their smoke is a Bush-league joke if you clout it a toe-swung clout;

An' they's never no zones o' safety an' they's never no sys- tem or style —

Get me!

Al the Wop's 13936 Main St Locke, CA 95690

AL says get off ar hagh horsee.

It is obvious that some who think they are academics have lost touch with reality. This is highlighted by the myriad of books and articles that tried to put the meaning of a commonly used word as discrimination without researching their meanings. This discrimination whitewashed by improper research has only led to further discrimination. As the old generations died off - those who were once the majority of the population of immigrants - the Irish and Italians - Sadly the old accents, language and dialects went with them. Their progeny suffered the utility of education and the whitewash of their culture. The WOP were against this whitewashing...

Jack Tar (talk)WOP

December 2011
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