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Revert of Food_studies#Research_questions edit
Regarding your revert of my edit of Food_studies:
 * the only explanation you give is "(Reverted 1 good faith edit by DadaNeem using STiki; opinion)"

Could you please give something more substantive-I note the word "opinion"-is that referring to yours or mine? DadaNeem (talk) 02:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, the word "opinion" was referring to yours. The article deals with food issue in general, not in particular. It is not dealing with any specific food item like meat or vegetables or fruits. Rather, it is a generalized handling of human foodstuff. So you can't say What are the ethics of eating meat?, because if you argue about meat, what about thousand other food items, some of them being more critical?


 * On Wikipedia, we only accommodate well-sourced information, not personal opinion. I hope this answers your question. Thanks. - Ascetic Rosé   06:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi AsceticRose. In your culture of eating it may seem like that, but having been a vegetarian for over 30 years I (and many others) understand that it's more than just a portion of the plate like "the ethics of eating potatoes/or what have you..." but very related to the ethics of eating that preceded my edit. The article ethics of eating meat has substantial food for thought/ research from such renowned scholars as Peter Singer (whose book The Ethics of What We Eat I have in my hand) and Jane Goodall.

So, in conclusion, I stand by my edit with this "well-sourced information". What say you? DadaNeem (talk) 08:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I see you are still missing the main point. Please look, the article does not name any specific food item, rather treat the issue of food in general. It is not about my culture or your culture; it is solely about the subject-matter of the article. We have to add content to any article keeping in mind what the article is supposed to cover, not what your personal experience is.


 * Your saying that having been a vegetarian for over 30 years I (and many others)... indicates that you are trying to justify the article's content from your personal experience.


 * Again, the main point which I already clearly said above is that the article deals with food issue in general, not in particular. If you try to add ethics of eating meat, how can you neglect ethics of eating milk, ethics of eating fish, ethics of eating wine, ethics of eating alcohol, ethics of eating vegetables and the thousands like that? - Ascetic Rosé   17:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Firstly AsceticRose, I would prefer you preface your comments as your comments ie say "my main point" not "the main point" etc. We are discussing between equals; neither is the judge and jury. DadaNeem (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

AsceticRose

 * Hi, when you talk about any edit, you should provide the diff. Anyway, I guess you are talking about this one.


 * Regarding your question, the main point is that I did not thought you as vandal. The edit summary I provided was Reverted 1 edit by VlaudtheOctowhale using STiki; unexplained change. Reverting an editor's edit does not mean the editor was a vandal. You misinterpreted it. If you ask me why I reverted it, the answer is you did not provide any edit summary describing your change. So it would be hard for anyone to accept such ambiguous addition. Again, your content was not consistent with the existing content.


 * I see you are writing about Podocheong, but you are not providing any English reliable source in support of your content, neither in Podocheong nor in Joseon.


 * Your message came to me as a little bit confusing. If you have objection, you are not supposed to provide an WikiLove message. Thanks. - Ascetic Rosé   16:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Question
Hello AsceticRosé, I hope you are fine. Very happy that our efforts at Hijrah seem to have worked out. I discovered that there seem to be a lot of articles related to Karaism which have basically lifted word for word large chunks from the Encyclopedia Judaica. Is that allowed? Bulgarios (talk) 10:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry for late response. I was not active on Wikipedia. Word for word copy and pasting is not allowed. However, I am neither knowledgeable about Karaism nor interested in it. Why are you interested in it? - Ascetic Rosé   13:41, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Just looking for a project. I can hardly remember what brought my attention to it now. I think a link from an Islam related page. What is the correct thing to do if I find a page which has word for word chunks taken from other encyclopedias in future? Bulgarios (talk) 14:16, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * If the word for word texts are copyrighted materials, they can be removed because Wikipedia takes copyright issue very seriously. See Copyright violations. The best way to deal with such issue is to read the materials in those encyclopedias/sources and then paraphrase them in Wikipedia articles e.g. rewording is needed. Then, you can cite those encyclopedias as references. You can use Google books to gather more information and sources. Thanks. - Ascetic Rosé   14:34, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the tips. I have started reading up on the subject but don't think I have a good enough picture of it to paraphrase anything yet. Bulgarios (talk) 10:01, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

New section
complaint: you undid my last post to Chhuckmuck(Orphan) and I wish you to undo it. The acknowledgements will be simplified once the page comes out of Orphan categoryStone Routes (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

New section
created new page for Chuckmuck acknowlements can you please post what you took out of Chuckmuck main page please and post it here. Thank youStone Routes (talk) 17:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Stone Routes, such acknowledgement page is not within the scope of an encyclopedia. Wikipedia can not have such a page. See What Wikipedia is not. Thanks. - Ascetic Rosé   03:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC on a RfC in Islamic views on slavery
Am planning a formal RfC on dispute on ISIS in Islamic views on slavery and am soliciting opinions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Islamic_views_on_slavery#Update_on_dispute_on_ISIS_and_jihadist_section --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

suggestion for splitting the article at Islamic views on slavery Please weigh in if you have any comment. --BoogaLouie (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * Hello Simpleabd, everyody is undoing your edits because you are making unconstructive edits. You have to understand this. From Wikipedia's point of view, you are not complying with policies. And from Islamic theological point of view, you are inserting wrong information. Muslims consider the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to be the greatest of all prophets. This is true. - Ascetic Rosé   05:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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I think that this user could be a strawman sockpuppet. He is putting a Muslim mask and pushing un-Muslim beliefs.--67.212.234.157 (talk) 08:55, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Not unlikely. He is currently indefinitely banned. - Ascetic Rosé   05:38, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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Requesting page assessment
Dear AsceticRose,

I created a page last year within the project scope that hasn't been assessed yet @ Ideas of Ghulam Ahmed Pervez. As an experienced editor with the project, could you please take some time to assess it? Thank you. c Ө de1+6 TP  15:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I still do not know how they assess articles and what criteria they follow (except Good and Featured articles). I never took any serious interest in it. My own article, Islam and humanity, is still unassessed, as I see it. You can raise the issue here, or contact one of the members of Editorial Team. Thanks. --- Ascetic Rosé   10:12, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Will do, thanks. c Ө de1+6 TP  02:29, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ - Ascetic Rosé   15:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hajj
Your edit is not good. We don't comment out sections. Either you tag them or you remove them. And you are not supposed to remove a tag as long as the issue is not resolved. Please also see WP:BRD that you should not redo an edit that was reverted without first discussing and obtaining consensus. Debresser (talk) 15:14, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Debresser, your point and edit both are unclear. Removing a section can be worse, because we will lose the data thus. However, it can be done anyway. A tagged section may not be appropriate for a good-class article. And your edit undid a legitimate edit. More care is needed. - Ascetic Rosé   15:26, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And Debresser, you were wrong in suggesting to remove the section because it has a source attached to it. Without first being sure, we can't remove a section which has a reference. We still don't know how far they are correct. - Ascetic Rosé   16:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * How will removing a section result in data loss? There is always the edit history. Moreover, if the data is not reliable, then it is not a loss.
 * I repeat. We do not comment out things on Wikipedia. Either we have it or we don't.
 * "A tagged section may not be appropriate for a good-class article." Then either the statement must be sourced, or the article can not be good-class. It is as simple as that. What is not okay is removing a tag without resolving the issue. And if that was done in order to keep the good-article status, then that is precisely the opposite of what should have been done. Debresser (talk) 20:45, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, I noted your request for dates from Fazlur Rehman's Chronology of Prophetic Events. I will look them up and send you the info as soon as possible after New Year. If you have not heard anything from me after Epiphany (Three Kings' Day), please remind me again. AstroLynx (talk) 14:33, 31 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, here are the dates as you requested:


 * * Battle of Badr: 16 Ramadan 2 AH = 16 December 623 (Friday) [pp. 55-56].


 * * Battle of Uhud: 11 Shawwal 3 AH = 29 December 624 (Saturday) [pp. 60-61].


 * * Battle of the Trench (end): 1 Dhu'l-Qa'dah 5 AH = 24 January 627 (Saturday) [pp. 65-66].


 * * Treaty of Hudaybiyyah (setting out): = 1 Dhu'l-Qa'dah 6 AH = 14 January 628 (Thursday) [p. 70].


 * * Preparations for Mecca (setting out): 6 Ramadan 8 AH = 29 November 629 (Wednesday) [p. 72].


 * * Entry in Mecca: 18 Ramadan 8 AH = 11 December 629 (Monday) [p. 72].


 * * Battle of Hunayn (arrival): 10 Shawwal 8 AH = 2 January 630 (Tuesday) [pp. 72-73].


 * * Battle of Tabuk (setting out): Fazlur Rehman notes that the various dates mentioned are very confused and suggests 1 Jumada al-Ula 9 AH = 19 July 630 (Thursday) [pp. 75-76].


 * * Farewell Pilgrimage ('Arafat): 9 Dhu'l-Hijjah 10 AH = 8 March 632 (Sunday) [pp. 77-78].


 * * Death of Muhammad: 12 Rabi' al-Awwal 11 AH = 8 June 632 (Monday) [pp. 78-79].


 * In his reconstruction of the events during Muhammad's years in Medina, Fazlur Rehman assumes that 3, 6 and 9 AH were intercalary.


 * For details, you should perhaps try to get a copy of Fazlur Rehman's book. AFAIK it is still available and it is certainly not expensive. AstroLynx (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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 * Hi, thank you for your message. The content I copied from Hegira was actually prepared solely by me. That is, in Muhammad in Islam, I've added my own content. I'm not sure if still I should attribute this to the copying page. - Ascetic Rosé   00:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Though it's technically not required if you're the sole author, I usually do it for clarity's sake. I've already added the attribution for this particular instance. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Yah, I got the point, and thank you for your effort. - Ascetic Rosé   01:02, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

thanks
thanks AR for the page assessment c Ө de1+6 TP  02:00, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Can I also ask you for some tips for improving the page? I think that it could use some more primary sources, as the weight right now is heavily in favor of secondary sources. More material details can be added from primary sources I think. Do you think that would help improve the rating? Thanks c Ө de1+6 TP  13:41, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I again took a look at the article. I think it is not about source, rather it is about style, clear-cut presentation of the subject, completeness of the topic, good language, and punctuation. I see the article has enough sources though you can use some primary sources to support the content, but to not elaborate the existing content. The article is on an abstract issue, so elaborating content will only fool the readers. Rather you should focus on the following points: 1) The article should reasonably cover the topic, and should not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies. 2) It should be well-written in a clear-cut way avoiding ambiguities or unclear content. 3) More wiki-links, proper punctuation, and good structure are important. It can also have a short 'Background' section having information on thinker and some background information on the topic. I think some little efforts can improve its rating. - Ascetic  Rosé   05:16, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the detailed input AR, much appreciated =) I'll free up some time in the coming days/weeks to start fixing/improving the article using this guideline. c Ө de1+6 TP  13:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Jerusalem
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 * Thanks for letting me know. - Ascetic  Rosé   15:34, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andolini7110 (talk • contribs) 08:23, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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 * A bad message I think! -<b style="color: dimgray;">Ascetic</b><b style="color: orangered;">Rosé</b> 16:51, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, he is indefinitely banned now. -<b style="color: dimgray;">Ascetic</b><b style="color: orangered;">Rosé</b> 16:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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Humpty Dumpty page
Hello AsceticRose, I read that you just reverted a change I made on the Humpty Dumpty page showing its presence on the Finnegans Wake. I made this contribution because there was a specific section about Humpty Dumpty in "Through the Looking-Glass", so I thought it was analogous. Could you please let me know why you thought the edit was not constructive? Thank you! Plurabilities (talk) 17:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Plurabilities, I reverted it because you added some bizarre lines like The fall (bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntqnner-ronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthur-nuk!) which looked highly unusual. -<b style="color: dimgray;">Ascetic</b><b style="color: orangered;">Rosé</b> 18:34, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi AsceticRose,
 * thank you for your feedback. Your concern is definitely valid, so I understand where you're coming from. Nevertheless, those bizarre lines are exactly how the book goes, you can check it out yourself here on this link: http://www.finwake.com/1024chapter1/1024finn1.htm The garbled word is a representation of a thunder, which is by itself a reflection of the Fall of Man (and Humpty Dumpty himself!) Plurabilities (talk) 19:03, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I checked the source. Yes, the strange line is in fact a part of the text. I also went through the Humpty Dumpty page again. I see that a reference to Humpty Dumpty in James Joyce's 1939 novel Finnegans Wake was already present in the article. I rather recommend that you elaborate the already-present text without adding a new section for Finnegans Wake and without quoting the text from the novel. I'm somewhat averse to quoting the text in the article because the reference to Humpty Dumpty in the novel is indirect and the quote will look unfamiliar to most modern readers, I believe. I fear that if you add it back,  others may revert it. A good idea is to discuss the issue on the article's talk page whether to include the quote or not. Thus, the actual decision I leave to you and the other editors of the article. Thanks. -<b style="color: dimgray;">Ascetic</b><b style="color: orangered;">Rosé</b> 01:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I disagree with you - I believe that including the quote could spark the interest of readers through the unfamiliarity you mentioned - but I do agree with you that there's value in discussing this at the talk page. Thanks for your hard work as a Wikipedia editor! Plurabilities (talk) 03:38, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, it is true that as Wikipedia editors, we do hard work. And it is pretty nice to get some recognition for that! -<b style="color: dimgray;">Ascetic</b><b style="color: orangered;">Rosé</b> 18:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * My revert was correct. I see your edit has again been partially reverted. In disambiguation page, we do not add so many details as you added. Again, your own edit summary was ambiguous and unclear. So, instead of teaching me, you take lesson first. -<b style="color: dimgray;">Ascetic</b><b style="color: orangered;">Rosé</b> 18:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

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Capitals00 (talk) 04:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

March 2018
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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Also avoid making these edits. Capitals00 (talk) 04:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Seems like you have now violated WP:3RR with your 4 reverts. But I think that you have made 4 reverts because of your misunderstanding that you can revert sock's edits as many times as you want, but its no more a case when someone else has reverted or restored edits of a sock. (WP:BANREVERT) Also that IP is not a sock like you may already know now. I had checked for the information around and I found the information to be verifiable and I was going to add sources but like I have already said on talk page that your reverts are making it hard to contribute. Either you should self revert or reach to a compromise version soon. Describe on talk page if the information is hoax and which parts are WP:UNDUE and be quick since you are already under 4RR. Capitals00 (talk) 05:25, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

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