User talk:AshMusique

January 2019
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Chris Brown has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. ''The claim that he is a convicted felon is true and sourced. It is not "vandalism," and thus removing it should not be labeled as "Removed vandalism" as you did in this edit.'' DannyS712 (talk) 19:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Apologies for not elaborating on my removal of your edit. Your source is correct, however lead ins are there to state the occupation(s) of said person (in this case, Chris Brown), and therefore the lead is NOT designated for legal histories or personal issues. There is most likely a section in the article for that. If we edited Chris Brown's page like that, then questions would arise as to why other artists' (who have been convicted of felonies) pages do not have the same lead in. It could come across as biased. AshMusique (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * , thank you so much. :) This means a lot! Glad I am able to help, although I'm still learning myself. You are doing an excellent job, too. Keep it up! AshMusique (talk) 21:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey AshMusique, Thank you for your contributions. Been following your work. Was hoping to get some assistance with my page. Thank you TwoTiime (talk) 00:32, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Gooba
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Thank youuuuuu
Thank you soooooo much for editing Jaden Smith's page, it really needed the fixing Mafufu (talk) 21:21, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

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Redirecting articles that sockpuppets made
While you're well within your rights to do this, you will notice admins who routinely redirect articles created by socks per WP:EVADE skip over articles that have subsequently been expanded and altered by other editors. Unfortunately, there have been plenty of articles created by socks before they were banned on Wikipedia. It doesn't mean we go back and redirect those articles if they've been expanded and added onto by others, because by so doing you're also undoing other innocent editors' work. You've redirected something like five clearly notable articles, and even routinely tagged the images I uploaded for being orphaned. Unless the sock is the only editor to have edited an article, it's best to be judicious about the others that have been unknowingly expanded by other editors and leave them be. Undoing block evasion does not mean we should be undoing others' work as well.  Ss  112   22:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BRD, your redirect of Late at Night (Roddy Ricch song) was reverted, so please start a discussion on the article talk page or nominate the article for deletion with the reasoning that because a sockpuppet created it, it should be entirely expunged. As I stated in my summary just now, reverting a sockpuppet's edits, citing WP:EVADE or not, is not a justification to edit war or repeatedly revert to a redirect. The article has already been altered and expanded by other editors, primarily myself, beyond just the sockpuppet's edits. If you cannot accept that, follow BRD or go to AfD. It's quite simple. In future, when something like this happens, respond on your talk page and not through a revert summary. Thank you.  Ss  112   18:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And also, your point that if we don't redirect an article a sockpuppet might think their edits are welcome—no, they won't think so, because their accounts are already blocked. We tell sockpuppets their edits are not welcome not by meticulously reverting or rolling back everything they've ever done—which sometimes cannot be done, at least not easily or not in a worthwhile manner—but by blocking them. Which has already been done. A sockpuppeteer is not going to go through and check which articles they worked on or which edits are still live and think "Wow, they must really like me and want me here" and disregard that they can no longer make such edits.  Ss  112   19:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Ss112, thank you for the message. However, I'm sorry to say, you are wrong. Firstly, regarding this edit summary, I was not engaging in an edit war, as you stated. I redirected the article once after you restored it, I was not going in a back and forth with you, and I also didn't and still do not feel it was necessary to have started a discussion on the article talk page or whichever avenue. With that said, WP:EVADE is pretty explicit in what it states, and I was well within my rights to redirect the article, even after you restored it - I don't need to start a discussion or go back and forth for something which a guideline is clear about. You citing BRD is not relevant here. Secondly, you stated in this edit summary that "the article can be altered and changed by other editors now", yet none of the content was altered or changed, except for categories and chart peaks that were added, and also apart from a slight rewording in the music video section. Nothing significantly different. See the sock's version of the article

vs the current revision. I'm sorry, I will not "accept" that the article will stay in place in its current form. You haven't cited any guidelines that prohibits me from redirecting the article, per WP:EVADE, especially, as I mentioned in my most recent edit summary, the sock has been extremely persistent and problematic, returning every week. I've had to report them numerous times. Yes, the article may be beneficial to the project, but not with the aforementioned considered. At this rate, we might as well allow articles created by socks to stay live and in the mainspace. You even said above in your initial message, "Unless the sock is the only editor to have edited an article [...]", and regarding redirecting articles created by socks: "You are well within your rights to do so". And I disagree with you, sockpuppets definitely could get the impression that they can continue with their sockpuppetry if they see that their work stays in place. (This is why they continue to come back, and trust me, this sockpuppeteer does come back and restore some of their redirected/reverted work, hoping for it to stay in place). Yes, I'm sure that happens often, as it is perhaps overlooked or not noticed, but in a case like this where we know it's the work of a sock, it shouldn't be tolerated and the encouragement shouldn't be given. I redirected the article after their succession of edits, no other editor had edited it prior to my first redirect. We undo sockpuppets' edits where possible, because they are not welcome, and block them. Again, I'm sorry to say this, but you're making this an unnecessary and avoidable incident. AshMusique (talk) 21:10, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ash, I know you disagree, hence why you have now redirected the article twice. However, you cannot keep redirecting an article hoping for it to stay in place when someone disagrees with you. WP:EVADE is not a justification to repeatedly redirect entire articles others have contributed to, whether you disagree about the extent of their work or not. If you don't want an article to stay, nominate it for deletion. This is the next normal course of action for editors who redirect articles because they feel they fail notability, so it should be yours as well. I entirely disagree about sockpuppeteers; they come back because they want to edit or they can't stop editing. They don't come back because they think their work is "encouraged". The fact that you even pointed out (socks of) this Rishabisajakepauler editor restores their work tells us they know their edits are not encouraged because they're not still live. You are focusing on expunging this one article and I'm sure there's more constructive uses of your time than thinking if this article stays that it is somehow expediting Rishabisajakepauler's return to the encyclopedia on a new account or IP. From the sounds of it, the dude would return regardless of any one article staying. I have altered the article—adding a whole chart section is altering it by expanding it. I'm not going to continue to argue with you. Nominate the article for deletion if you don't want it to stay, because continuing to do so at this point would be an edit war. Thanks for your reply.  Ss  112   00:35, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not merely about me disagreeing, it's the fact that I'm right in redirecting the article. Your disagreement holds no bounds in this case. Again, as I stated before, neither you or any other editors edited the article before I redirected it the first time. If anyone should have started a discussion about it, it should've been you, the user that restored it, or if you feel so strongly about keeping the article, then I suggest you recreate it and compose it yourself. You shouldn't have restored the article with the sock's content in the first place, with your knowledge of the guidelines at WP:EVADE. And again, I don't have to nominate it for deletion when WP:EVADE, an actual guideline, is explicit. The "normal cause" is to redirect it per WP:EVADE, not start a discussion or nominate it at AfD. I'm not sure if you simply mentioned notability as an example or not, but notability is not the problem here - the song is obviously notable, but it's not helpful to the project if it was created by a particularly problematic sock. Regarding socks returning, I didn't mean their work is encouraged, I meant the fact that an article this sock created is still live, is definitely an encouragement for them, specifically this sock, to return to creating articles, because as is the case here, their work stays in place, and that can happen again, because they will see it, and users like you allow for it to happen. They restore their content if it gets deleted/reverted, but this is not the case here. You're interpreting me wrong if you think I meant this will cease "Rishabisajakepauler's return to the encyclopedia on a new account or IP", not with their track record anyway. That's not the entire point, it's that their work should not be allowed to stay in place. You're right that my time could be spent more constructively, but I'm not leaving it at this because it creates the precedent for this to be considered acceptable. You didn't alter the article's existing content, nothing was changed per se, definitely not significanty; the sock's content, everything from their wording to their references are still in place. Your additions did not alter anything that wasn't already there. Just because an uncountable amount of work by socks stays in place doesn't mean it should be okay for it to happen, most certainly not when it's known a sock created whichever work. I say this with all due respect and mean no disrespect, but it feels to me that you are just looking for excuses to keep the article live, perhaps because you were the first to edit/restore it with chart peaks? I repeat, you still have not cited any guidelines that stands against what I, and WP:EVADE state. I have not redirected the article back because I do not wish to engage in an edit war, and instead was hoping to get through to you. I respect you very much for the hardworking editor you are, and I'm not trying to be snarky when I say the following, because it may come across that way, and perhaps you don't see it as such, but it's okay to be wrong. I've had to accept that many times on here. Pinging, as you dealt with this sockpuppeteer, most recently. I'm sorry to involve you in this, but as an admin, and the one who blocked this specific sock, I'm hoping you could she'd some light, please. I feel as though Ss112 is purposefully ignoring the point I'm making, and I'm having to repeat myself. They have contradicted themselves from what they stated in their initial message at the top of this section and I just don't follow their reasoning. AshMusique (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:PROXYING disallows making edits on behalf of a banned or blocked editor. However, editors are allowed to restore edits made by a sock puppet if they take responsibility for those edits.  So, if someone restores vandalism or a BLP violation, they can be blocked for that.  As a CheckUser for four years, my advice is to not get too worked up over this stuff, or you'll get burnt out. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you for responding. I am aware of the guidelines surrounding proxying. What about all the points I made, and about what WP:EVADE states? It feels as though we are just to ignore policy here. I'm sorry, but I'm not satisfied with your answer, as it doesn't address what the right route here is. I'm not saying that you have to sway a certain way. AshMusique (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Policy states that if someone wants to restore sock puppet edits, they can. That's why I said not to get too worked up over this stuff.  It doesn't matter what some policy says about how you can revert the edits.  Of course you can.  Someone else can also revert you. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC

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Super Gremlin
Super Gremlin is not a single
 * Hi, it is a single. It was sent to radio, as is sourced in the article to All Access. It is a generally accepted standard that when a song gets sent to radio, it is then officially a single. Please kindly see WP:SINGLE? for more on this, thank you. AshMusique (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

DS4Ever
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Rishab sock?
You know more about Rishabisajakepauler socks than me. Is 69.105.147.225 them? I've reverted some of their edits but you might want to revert most/if not all if they are. in case you know anything about Rishab.  Ss  112   05:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That is definitely them, 'cause they're always editing hip hop articles and Bieber-related articles, like Let It Go (DJ Khaled song) and Lonely Christmas (Bryson Tiller song), which they edited on this IP and have previously edited under other IPs. Thanks for the heads-up. AshMusique (talk) 09:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Can't Leave Without It
Hello AshMusique, I noticed you recently reverted my creation of the article "Can't Leave Without It". You cited that it fails WP:NSONG. While I didn't cite too many sources for information regarding the song's composition and reception, I believe I should note that the song had a place on several charts, was certified Platinum, and has much more views on YouTube and Genius compared to 21 Savage's other song from I Am > I Was, "Monster", which is all right to have article of its own. I'd like to request you to reconsider it and would really appreciate it. Thank you. MC-123 (talk) 17:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the message. I redirected it because I felt the content of the article could have been inserted at the album article. But thank you for explaining, I understand and I've restored the article. AshMusique (talk) 09:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. I appreciate that. MC-123 (talk) 15:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

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Un Verano sin Ti
Hello, "sin" is a preposition in Spanish, so it should be in lowercase. 7szz (talk) 00:19, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

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Your redirection of "Hot Shit"
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August 2022

 * Hey, thank you so much, this means a lot. I haven't been on Wiki much for the last year, so apologies for only responding now. AshMusique (talk) 09:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, I actually am defacto retired from editing because honestly the structure of Wikipedia is kinda broken, and biased editors make it their day time job to edit war over irrelevant pages. See the style of editing used by a contributor on Taylor Swift vs Ariana Grande. The talk pages for those two articles are a mess PHShanghai &#124; they/them (talk) 10:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Would
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