User talk:Asher196/Archive 1

Assistance Please
As Sam Spade said in the Maltese Falcon, "you are clearly a man of nice resources". Furthermore, as any sane person would, you have concluded that so-called global warming is political, not scientific. Finally, you appear to be from Michigan, which certainly implies an almost God-like quality (I grew up in the Irish Hills). In short my friend, I need your help with Wiki Markup as regards a Lakes Project which you have visited before. Despite violent attacks on the Paudash Lake INFOBOX I have been unable to restore the standard and approved RESIDENCE TIME and FROZEN catagories that someone removed from the Box. Would you go there, at your conveniance, and restore these catorgories and then I will fill them out. Thank you! I appreciate your Light House efforts. How about doing some of our better lakes in Michigan? Thank you from your kind assistance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.115.34 (talk) 05:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look and see how I can help.Asher196 (talk) 12:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears User:Barek beat me to it. I'll continue to watch the article and provide any assistance I can.Asher196 (talk) 13:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

A word of friendly advice
Hey, I just wanted to say that even though I agree 100% with what you are saying/doing on Nintendo GameCube to combat Mega Man 5 and his sockpuppet, you may want to look at your methods of pursuing your goals. This isn't about beating Mega Man 5 in an edit war, it's about making Wikipedia better, and I would like to recommend that you tone down your comments somewhat. Also, I have been speaking to the admin who protected the page and he seems to be supportive of your/our position. (see User talk:Jj137) Here's to an end to this conflict when Nintendo GameCube goes "live" again. Regards, Thingg (talk) 04:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You are right. I let him get under my skin.  I won't do that again.  Thanks for the advice!-Asher196 (talk) 04:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Popular Culture
I noticed you reverted my edit in the Popular Culture section of the Pac-Man article. In case you don't know, this is no lie. I've seen that particular episode which is why I think it should be mentioned. Again, if you still disbelieve, maybe you should have a look at it. 61.9.126.41 (talk) 06:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

If you want to include it in the article, then maybe YOU should look into it and provide references. Every item in that section is footnoted.-Asher196 (talk) 06:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

South Manitou Island Light
Happy to return the favor. Nice box and picture. Kind of bare, but I'm sure I can help. Happy ot return the favor.

BTW, take a look at Point Betsie Light, if you haven't already. I took it up several notches. It could use more substantive article, but all the internet sources are there, I think. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * I took a whack at it. I probably won't be back for a couple of weeks.  I'm going to Vail for ten days of skiing.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Have a great trip!Asher196 (talk) 22:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I will. I've great accommodations right in Lionshead, great friends (one of whom is a Vail ski instructor, and other is a Vail visitor guide).  What could be better?  Anywayz, I did not track it all down, but there seems to be some conflict in the sources.  Someone (that would be you) needs to actually read the size of the two towers, and get their heights correct, as well as the focal height.  I would do this, but I'm up to my ass in alligators trying to get everything done before I go out the door.  I'm sorry to duck out on you and leave the job incomplete.  Although the history needs to be fleshed out, too, probably from the sources that are listed as external links.  I'll miss you.  Best.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * When I was putting the infobox together I found conflicting sources of information. The bulk of the information came from terrypepper.com, which I've found to be pretty reliable.Asher196 (talk) 02:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

See what you can do by way of copy edit, etc. The new article that I cited to is really a nice source, very complementary to the info in Terry Pepper. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * The USCG Michigan list is down again. They have a picture, I am sure.  It also appears at the Michigan Lighthouse Conservancy page.  It would look good at the External links section.7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Lenawee County, Michigan
Dear Asher 196 I don't know if you can help, but the coordinates for the county are on a peculiar place on the page. Not sure if you're teh right person to address this problem to. In any event, if you can help, Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * I looked at it. The coordinates appear to be in the correct place.  Perhaps someone fixed it already.Asher196 (talk) 14:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I forgot to thank you at the time. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Wendy Smith, and your request for help
Hi Asher!

I've looked at the article, and have to admit I laughed out loud. No, we can't do that, i.e. "cite" other Wikipedia articles. I've never, in four years on the project, seen anyone do exactly that--put in inline cites to other Wikipedia articles--that are themselves completely unreferenced! So those cites should come out and other should be found ... or the article tagged as unreferenced and as original research.

Regarding TV episode articles, there's a lot of original research on Wikipedia, at least in the sense that people are writing up plot outlines just by watching the show. Since I don't work on TV show episode articles I really don't know if any special conventions have been developed, but I would suggest looking around to see what sources other cited TV episodes use -- hopefully you can find some -- then tagging completely uncited articles with the "unreferenced" tag. Maybe you can help find some reliable sources for some ... I know a lot of editors take a dim view of people just slapping on the tags without helping out with the hard work of citing. Hope this helps ... Antandrus (talk) 03:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the input. I thought something was wrong, but the boldness of it made me think I was missing something!Asher196 (talk) 03:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Normally and this has been working lately, AFD's are closed generally within 5 or 6 days when there is enough discussion and even when there is no consensus. I've seen no consensus for deletion at least although some of the keepers suggested some form of merging. Another option is the DRV. Closing the AFD's as no consensus or keep does not mean that merging options are shelved or not considered, merging proposals can be discussed here if necessary.

Considering the sources are rather weak, merging might be a good option there-- JForget 20:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wii edit
Concerning your recent edit to the article: the next time you're "not sure" about another person's edit, please ask. Thank you. Just64helpin (talk) 19:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In response to your message on my talk page: If you check the reference, you'll see that the "we" and "if" are not at the beginnings of the sentences. Capitalizing them is an editorial change, which is supposed to be distingushed with brackets. I forget which specific WP guideline mentions the use of brackets, but you are free to flip through the WP:MOS to find it. I could use a refresher myself... Just64helpin (talk) 22:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * While I agree that they are an editorial change, I don't agree the the first letter of the first word should be in brackets. I can't find anything to support your use of this. The WP:MOS is kind of fuzzy in this area.

Square brackets are used to indicate editorial replacements and insertions of text. They serve three main purposes:

To clarify. ("She attended [secondary] school"—where this was the intended meaning, but the type of school was unstated in the original sentence.) To reduce the size of a quotation. If a source says "X contains Y, and under certain circumstances, X may contain Z as well", it is acceptable to reduce this to "X contains Y [and sometimes] Z", without ellipsis. When an ellipsis (...; see below) is used to indicate material removed from a direct quotation, it should not normally be bracketed. To make the grammar work: "She said that '[she] would not allow this' "—where her original statement was "I would not allow this." (Generally, though, it is better to begin the quotation after the problematic word: "She said that she 'would not allow this.' ") The use of square-bracketed wording should never alter the intended meaning of a quotation. Asher196 (talk) 22:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the original contribution to the wikiarticle preserved the lowercase "we" and "if". It was later changed by another editor to "We" and "If". If the capitalized version by the other editor (whoever it was) is grammatically correct, the brackets would then be a way of "mak[ing] the grammar work" while clarifying the editorial change. Since you agree that it is an editorial change, but don't agree that the brackets should be where they are, what would be your suggestion? Just64helpin (talk) 23:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I would simply include the entire quote. This is really a small matter. I originally reverted what I thought was some kind of mistake on your part.  Obviously there was more thought put into your edit than I gave you credit for.  I've been watching your edits for a while now and I know you are one of the good guys, so I'll drop any objection I had. Asher196 (talk) 03:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Your Acupuncture edit
You reverted a good edit on this page. Would you be so kind as to explain your reasons on the acupuncture talk page. Thank you. Mccready (talk) 05:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A good edit? You eliminated the introduction.Asher196 (talk) 05:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Saw your work edit on the Folk Nation can you do the same for the People Nation
Hey i noticed that you edited the Folk Nation and added accurate sources can you do the same for the People Nation seeing it as they both go hand in hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.248.13 (talk) 09:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look and see what I can do.Asher196 (talk) 03:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Upper Peninsula
Thank you. BTW, I've noticed your work and you're doing a lot of good. I was wondering if the particular ski jump (Suicide Hill in Ishpeming, Michigan) I had added deserved its own article. It really is important, notwithstanding the opinion of some others. Take a look at the link I provided. I'm sure there is more information if one googles it.

BTW, I would appreciate it if you would take a look at Tawas Point Light. I think there are some issues that you do (info boxes) that could use your assistance. Best regards. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:21, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * I looked at the link before I reverted the deletion of Suicide Hill and couldn't understand why it was removed. That's why I referred to it as vandalism.  It's obviously noteworthy.  I'm sure you could make it into a stand alone article.  Take a look at this link.... http://info.detnews.com/redesign/history/story/historytemplate.cfm?id=149


 * I'll look at Tawas Point Light next chance I get.Asher196 (talk) 04:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think a Suicide Hill article would be good.  The Detroit News article is really good, and certainly has its uses in the new article.  I'll take a whack at it.  After I do, please feel free to jump in.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 10:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * Thanks for moving he coordinates on Tawas Point Light. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 10:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC) Stan

Leland, Michigan and Peshawbestown, Michigan
Both needs an information box, etc. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Thanks for doing the box on Leland, Michigan 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Leland look better every day. Thanks for your unheralded attention.  Now if you could do something about Peshawbestown, Michigan, I'd be even more flabbergasted.  Best to you.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Peshawbestown, Michigan Thanks.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

Port Sanilac lighthouse
Asher: New article. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * I'll get to it this evening. Have a great day!Asher196 (talk) 14:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's kind of fun being on the ground floor of a new project.  It helped very much.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Nice additions. This is starting to look like a real article.  Best.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Forty Mile Point Light
Here's another one. Thanks in advance. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * This article could benefit from this picture. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/fortymilepoint.JPG 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks. The only other obvious missing item is Range in the infobox.  I'm not having any luck finding that.  I've been having difficult accessing (opening up the full document) Volume 7 of the Coast Guard.  If it lists it, it will have a number under "Range" and if may also have another number (expected range given ordinarily anticipated conditions according to T. Pepper), to the left of it in the next column.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Port Austin Lighthouse
Built this up. It needs a box. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 05:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * The problem is that trying to get an unfree image will be really hard. This is 2 1/2 miles off shore.  Thanks.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Considering how hard it is to find any image, this new one is an improvement. You've improved our image. :}  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

A request
I am working on a website for the Junior League of Saginaw Valley and found your picture of Bay City at dusk. The license information says it is free to use, but we would like to give you credit. Can you provide your real name? If you prefer, you can fill out the contact us form at jlsv.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by Entrecon (talk • contribs) 01:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Sean Hannity
Your insistence on removing perfectly sourced material from Sean Hannity is unjustifiable and smacks of a desire to censor. From WP:NPOV:


 * '''The acronym NPOV does not mean "no points of view". The elimination of article content cannot be justified under this policy by simply labeling it "POV".

If you dislike the POV of the material added from verifiable quality sources I added, the solution is to find quality sources that assert a contrary POV and add the material, not simply remove cited material. This is what collaboration is all about. FYI, I found no positive reviews written of the book via searching the EBSCO academic database or I would have added some, but feel free to search other quality sources.

74.233.157.109 (talk) 01:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If you remove material from the page again, as you did even from your talk page (this conversation), I will bring it up on the administrators noticeboard. I have reasoned with you repeatedly, as have others, and you insist on censoring the article.  For what is now the 7th time, if Hannity's book has received nothing but poor reviews from reputable source, that is not POV, it is fact.  And also for the seventh time, I invite you to find positive reviews from reputable sources and place them into the article.  I've already searched high and low and cannot find any. 74.233.164.126 (talk) 04:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * you are the only person who has spoken to me on this subject. Don't hide behind your dynamic IP address, as you appear to be a sockpuppet when you do this.  the Hannity talk page shows at least one other editor who thinks the neutrality of the section is suspect.  I have added information regarding the book's status as a New York Times bestseller for five weeks, which shows the popularity of the book, hopefully balancing the poor reviews you included.Asher196 (talk) 05:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also I suggest you create an account for yourself. I will not leave talk page messages for you, as you are using a shared IP.Asher196 (talk) 05:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On another note, your statement "I'll just say I dropped in to read how much education this demagogue has/does not have. My suspicions were confirmed that he lacks one. 74.233.157.192 (talk) 03:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)" shows your obvious bias. Wikipedia is not a forum for your political views, and I suggest you try harder to find opposing viewpoints in an effort to keep Wikipedia NPOV.Asher196 (talk) 05:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've expressed no political views but added perfectly cited materials from reputable sources. I have scoured EVERY source in my major university library's database, including EBSCO and JSTOR, the two largest databases of academic journals and newspapers in the U.S.  I can't create positive reviews from thin air.  For now the ninth time, how about trying to find some positive reviews of the book, just like I have done for several hours during two nights.  Again, good luck with that, and yes I've scoured Google too.  74.233.164.126 (talk) 05:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'm curious. If you do not think Hannity is deserving of the title "demagogue", who does deserve it in American political life?  Does it help to know that I think Randi Rhodes, on the left, is equally deserving of the title? 74.233.164.126 (talk) 06:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not here to defend Hannity. I've found that many of the articles that involve controversial people tend to become articles about the controversy and not the person. Every thing they say or do that someone feels is controversial is added to the article making it unwieldy and non-biographical in my opinion. Can you imagine how long these type of articles would become over the course of time unless someone reigns in the POV and tries to make the article adhere to Biographies of living persons?Asher196 (talk) 02:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm finding your reverts more than a little arbitrary, if not abusive. Since when is The Nation not a reliable source. In stead of wholesale deletions, I suggest you try editing the article. Jimintheatl (talk) 21:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I am not going to undo again, but will refer this. Jimintheatl (talk) 21:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Revert
Sorry about reverting your changes to the Sandwich article; the tool I was using tagged it as vandalism (when you were reverting vandalism). Sorry about that! Best regards, Midorihana ~いいですね? はい! 04:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I figured it was something like thatAsher196 (talk) 04:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Harbor Beach Light
Needs an info box. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Ok. I'll get to it in the next couple of days.Asher196 (talk) 21:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Somebody was there ahead of you. Thank.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)Stan

improving Nintendo GameCube to Featured Article status
I am working on improving Nintendo GameCube to Featured Article status, and noticed that you made a substantial number of contributions to the article recently. If you have time, please help out by improving the article. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 16:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

John Glenn High School (Bay City, MI)
A tag has been placed on John Glenn High School (Bay City, MI), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template   to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. kkarma 23:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The only reason I put up for deletion again is because you said "I'll work on it more this week," and eight days (now ten days) later, you haven't touched it. It's just two sentences sitting there for no reason. kkarma 00:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You should have mentioned in the talk page of the article that you were waiting for information. I wasn't trying to target your article, and maybe I do have too high of standard for Wikipedia articles. I just want Wikipedia to be the best that it can be. Good luck on your article. kkarma 05:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Update
I've noticed that you still haven't touched the article, so I was going to try to fix it up myself (or at least make it a proper stub). In trying to do so, I have found that there is a different address listed (here, and here) than in the article. I did a Google Map search, and found that the two high schools are approx. 110 miles from each other.

In discovering that, I find it very hard to find any reliable references that could be used in the article.

If you could help direct me towards a few reliable (especially third-party) resources, it would be extremely helpful.

Thank you, kkarma 18:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Tylerperry.jpg
Thank you for uploading Image:Tylerperry.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. —Bkell (talk) 04:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Removal of links by Wikistalking administrators
Dear Asher: Removal of links by HU12 and Barek was because they claimed it was "spam" which I contested. See discussion at Marquette, Michigan. They then Wikistalked me and systematically started removing whole pages that I had worked on. Take a look at my Talk page, and the page of BKConrad. I quit. But meanwhile, I want these peoples' administrative privileges removed, as they have shown they do not deserve trust. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 10:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * What articles did they remove content from? I would like to see what they did.Asher196 (talk) 11:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikistalkers by erstwhile administrators deserve severe sanctions
I have been wikistalked by an administrator Hu12 and his coconspirator, Barek. The dispute arose because I had put in a link to a Central Michigan University timeline on lighthouses in Michigan in an article on Marquette, Michigan the link was perfectly appropriate, and was not a commercial site or spam. I received a note from Barek saying he had deleted the link on the Discussion page. I told him it was a perfectly fine link and that his action was ill-advised. The next thing I knew, Hu12 intervened. The two of them started Wikistalking me together, removing not just the link, but removing the link from every page where I had put it. Additionally, they started doing blind "Undos" and obliterating large portions of articles that I had contributed. There was no reason for any of this. When I protested their course of action, they suspended my editing privileges. This was done precipitously. BK Conrad has investigated this matter, and deems the blind edits to be 'unfortunate.'

I complained to BK Conrad, an administrator. He undid the suspension, but did not deal with my substantive complaint about this administrator. He suggested that I could contact you.

I would also add that Hu12 deleted my complaints to him from his talk page (I put them back), and has now (conveniently) archived the pages.

Additionally, one of my correspondents, Asher196, had noted in the history section of an article that the deletion was unwarranted. I contacted him and reported the Wikistalking.

Indeed, what you will uncover, should you choose to look, is that Hu12 and Barker were engaged in wholesale eradication of my contribution from articles, sometimes to the point where the article virtually disappeared. There was no excuse for this. It is the very definition of Wikistalking.

As I said, when I protested this, I was suspended.

I have done a whole lot of editing here. -- Many thousands of edits. I have never before been accused of spamming the system. I wasn't doing this here, either.

While I agree with BK that it would be best if I could just avoid these bullies, the matter is not so easily resolved. They sought me out. They attacked me. They abused their administrative privileges.

While I could turn a blind eye to this, it will only encourage this untoward behavior. When Czeckoslovakia falls, Poland can't be far behind. Someone needs to report this and stop this untoward and unspeakable behavior. Based on my reading of Hu12's talk page (before it disappeared), the man has attitude problems that have surfaced before.

Wikistalking by administrators will frustrate the contributors, and cause them to quit Wikipedia. They've already done that to me. Let there not be a repetition. The very lifeblood of your organization is at stake.

I have attacked copies of my correspondence to and from BK Conrad and Asher196.

If you need further information, please advise.

I will send this to Asher196 and BKConrad, so they are informed of my complaint. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Stan

BK: Thank you.

However, this has soured me, and I will cure myself of my wikiaholic behavior. I quit. They've achieved their victory, and Wiki will lose my modest contributions.

That being said, I think you should look close at what they edited, and come to your own conclusion. They gutted whole articles. This was WIKISTALKING and they went FAR beyond what they complained about. This was search and destroy, pure, simple and unvarnished. It was a clear abuse of power. I will not abide an abuse of power, and will not let this rest without their being brought to justice -- they are bullies, and this was wrong.

I for one would not stand silently and idly by while the Wehrmacht makes the Jews disappear into the railroad cars.

Moreover, their actions showed an intent (and attempt) to bully me into silence about their misconduct. It was a cover up.

Accountability in this system is important. Those who abuse their powers do not deserve to be trusted to hold the reins. They deserve the severest sanctions, and should be stripped of administrative privileges.

What they did here was very destructive of the goals of an organization that depends on the good will and volunteer efforts of contributors.

7&6=thirteen (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Stan

Coincidentally, Hu12‎ chose this interregnum of completely delete (archive) his user talk. This is after he was unmaking history and deleting my accusations of misconduct, which I put back on his page This is a Watergate style cover up. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 10:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Stan

I would just like to make a stand with 7&6=thirteen. I can't believe these "admins" treated him this way. He is a dedicated and prolific Wikipedia editor, and has done tremendous work on many articles. Trying to add a link which provides valuable information, he is labeled a spammer. Trying to defend his actions, he is blocked. What are we doing here if this is how the good guys are treated?Asher196 (talk) 11:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry about the situation. If you'd like to file a complaint about Hu12, the place to do that is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Hu12's block of you was precipitous and the blind reverts unwarranted. However you did accuse him of being a sock puppet and make what could be interpreted as a vague threat. I might note that Hu12 consistently archives talk page messages -- although this is an annoying practice, it is not prohibited and it is not necessarily evidence that the user was trying to cover up anything. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, including editors with limited social skills. Unless their behavior clearly crosses the line and becomes disruptive, it is best to simply avoid engaging with such persons. older ≠ wiser 12:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Marquette Harbor Light
If there is already an article, I'd be happy to help. If not, please start up the article and I'll add ot it. I'm about to get on that long-awaited plane, so I won't be able to get to it till the morning light. If you go to terrypepper.com and then look up the lighthouse you want, you'll have a really good start. The Clark Historical Library (Central Michigan University) has the website (heh-heh, isn't this ironic -- sorry, but I couldn't resist) that includes the chronology, list of resources (including books, manuscripts, etc.) They may have specific stuff on the Marquette Harbor Light. That will get you started. You also have to decide whether to call it the Marquette Light, Marquette Lighthouse, Marquette Light Station, etc., since there doesn't appear to be a Marquette Harbor Light article. See the discussion at the List of U.S. lighthouses. Have fun Sweet dreams. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

In any event, you know where to fine the link to the CMU lighthouse article. See for example Charity Island Light.

Oh, alright, here it is again


 * Wagner, John L., Beacons Shining in the Night, Michigan Lighthouse Bibliography, Chronology, History, and Photographs, Clarke Historical Library, Central, Michigan University.

TAke a quick look at this, which expresshy refernces the light:

http://clarke.cmich.edu/lighthouses/lhtime1.htm

Clarke Historical Library - Sources Regarding the Lighthouses of ... Marquette, MI: Northern Michigan University Press, 1979. Penrose, Laurie. A Traveler's Guide to Eastern Great Lakes Lighthouses. ... clarke.cmich.edu/lighthouses/lhsour1.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

Clarke Historical Library - A Light House Keeper's Life Granite Island (11 miles north of Marquette) Light constructed. .... Big Bay Point (24 miles northwest of Marquette) Light constructed. Sault Ste. ... clarke.cmich.edu/lighthouses/lhtime1.htm - 56k - Cached - Similar pages


 * http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/cmuclarkelibrary?q=Marquette&sa=Search

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * The list of US lighthouses labelled it the Marquette Harbor Light, as did Terry Pepper, so I went with that name.
 * I need to take a break for the night, so I'll work on expanding it on Thursday. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Barek:
 * Thanks for starting that article. Nice start.  I've got business this morning, but will try to get to it later in the day.  ::7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * Asher196:
 * As you have done in the past, please help with this new article, Marquette Harbor Light which Barek has started. i will put in some more material by the end of the day.  Thanks.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

As you've been there, I'm sure you noted the lack of a picture. This article REALLY needs a pciture. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * I added an image. I will do more later this evening.Asher196 (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Very cool.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * Barek found a picture that perfectly complements yours, and he found it in the Wiki commons. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

I was wondering if the original image would look better if it were on the left side? 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC) Stan


 * Asher96
 * Zero to Start in 3 days. Not too shabby.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

Granite Island (Michigan)
As you have done in the past, please help with this new article. i will put in some more material by the end of the day. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen
 * Asher:
 * FWIW, I wrote to the owners of Granite Island and asked them to post some pictures in the article. I don't hold out much hope, but there is no harm in asking.  They have some great pics on their website, and it wouldn't hurt for them to share.  The island is so remove and difficult to approach that it is virtually impregnable, except maybe if an assault team of Navy Seals arrived.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Terry Pepper has a picture of Granite Island Light "courtesy of the U.S. Coast Guard" http://www.terrypepper.com/Lights/superior/granite/granite05.htm

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Because it is an island, we need a pic of the island, too. That recurrent ancient postcard would do, if we could find one.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I already had the inventory in the links. Is one of those pictures from the Coast Guard and available>>  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

I take it that since it is on the NPS website, it's OK to use? 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Images from federal government sources are in the public domain.Asher196 (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The Mackinac Center link and article (the are different) is a whole different perspective on this lighthouse. It could be a good source for a paragraph or two.  According to the article, it was the antecedent on the lighthouse protection act which was sponsored by Carl Levin.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

If there was an info box on the lighthouse (not sure there was) it's gone now. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Huron Lightship
I'm sure this article could benefit from your special skills and expertise. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Thank you for your able assistance. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * You're welcome. I'll eventually get to Granite Island and whatever else I missed.  Your pace is faster than mine, as I tend to easily get distracted!Asher196 (talk) 04:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. But this is my distraction.  I'm supposed to be writing.  Work, that is.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * A question and observation. Based on my reading of the article lightship, I think the picture you put in is not of our ship.  Not sure, but Relief was a lightship, and it wasn't this one, #103.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

Apparently you have some ability to fix the classifications of articles. I don't really think that this is STUB, and it could be fairly classed as START at least. It has those stub things on them (I may have put them there), but I think they are wrong. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * They upgraded the status on Huron Lightship. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

St. Helena Island Light and Round Island Light (Michigan)
Needs an infobox. Also needs correction on National Historic Register banner. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

Crisp Point Light‎
Needs an infobox. Needs more info on the light itself. That's at Terry Pepper, which is listed now as an external link.Stan
 * Nice pic.7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * I don't think it's a STUB anymore. Got to at least be a START.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I agree and removed the stub tag. I'm slowly getting some stuff done.  Still feel like garbage though....Asher196 (talk) 01:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But one would not know that from the quality of your work. {:}>  That's me smiling with a beard.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

Eagle Harbor Light and Cheboygan Crib Light and Old Mackinac Point Light
Needs a better infobox. Thanks if you can find the time. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

Point Iroquois Light
No info box and no picture. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * I'll get to these soon, hopefully. I seem to have the flu....Asher196 (talk) 21:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You have my sympathy. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Glad you're back. Tawas Point light picture is OK, although the zoomed out one was not bad.  Two pics maybe?  Hope you are feeling better.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

I trust your judgment. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

I have a better image of the Point Iroquois Light somewhere in my photo albums. I'll scan it as soon as I can find it....Asher196 (talk) 04:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Round Island Light (Michigan)
Picture at Terry Pepper courtesy of Michigan State archives. http://www.terrypepper.com/Lights/huron/roundisland/roundisland04.htm 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * This picture is perfect. Unfortunately, its from the Michigan State archives.  It is obviously past its copyright.  Any thoughts about getting permission to put it in.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Ludington Light
I think this article would benefit from the addition of a second image, from the U.S.Coast Guard. Here is the link. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/ludington.JPG If you could do it, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Asher: Thank you for putting in the pic. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

Manistee Light
Info box is incomplete. External links to relevant materials are in place, so it should not be hard to find. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I think the bigger and more complete info box looks good and adds to the visual impact of the article. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

American Museum of Magic
Asher: I've written this new article, and I'm sure you can make the reference forms better. If you can find the time, your contributions are always appreciated by me. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Asher: I wrote to the American Museum of Magic and I asked them for a photo to upload to Wikipedia. They were kind enough to send one.  I don't know how to do this, and of course, I didn't take that picture.  Any guidance would be appreciated.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * I did a quick check of this article and the references looked ok at first glance, but I will look closer later. As for the picture, do you have an actual picture, or did they email you one?Asher196 (talk) 21:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The only way you can use the image they provided is if they also released the image into the public domain. If it is a licenced image that they gave permission for use on Wikipedia, then it can NOT be used.  I'll reply more on your talk page.Asher196 (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

They sent it to me. I think it is their image. I have been trying to get them to post it, and in fact have their e-mail address (I sent them an e-mail encouraging them to do it themselves. Unfortunately, I was short on specifics, and I think that these people may not be geeky enough to know how to do it.  I had specifically requested them to send me an image we could use in Wikipedia, and they replied.  I would be happy to send all of this correspondence to you, if you choose to give me someplace to send it.  Then maybe you could personally give them some direction.  What they sent me was the image of the interior of the museum, which has the Houdini poster in the middle, and the sculpture in the foreground.  Let me know.  Best.  It is on their webpage.  http://www.americanmuseumofmagic.org/  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I sent you an email.Asher196 (talk) 22:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll pick it up and reply accordingly. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Asher:
 * As Richard Nixon once said: "We could do that,but it would be wrong." Not to mention that it would be obvious, as that picture appears in several different locales on the web, and claiming that I was the author would not be plausible.
 * Not to mention the fact that the Museum sent me the picture, and I presume that if I put together the forms, they will get on board with the waivers, etc. I'll try to follow up on this in the next few days.  Thanks for the research.
 * The other way to do this would be to give them a play-be-play, with explicit instructions so that they could upload the pictures. But they would have to be 'idiot proof' so to speak.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

re: US Army
Just to let you know, I replied on my talk page to your comment. I like to keep discussions in a single thread :) Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Maps
Please don't change the maps to pushpins: the current maps show the distinct location of the community in relation to other communities, and they're used nationwide. They're made for a reason. We could easily have two maps, adding a separate nationwide pushpin map, but I don't know how to do that; could you add those? Nyttend (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, and thanks more for the implementation thereof; this works out really well! Nyttend (talk) 16:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Your editing of Bogan (disambiguations)
This really is an article naming dispure of the principal page article (Bogan). The approach of subordinating proper nouns (whether for family names or locations) that long pre-date any recent popular cultural use doesn't allow distinguishing the history associated with the names/locations or distinguishing geographic perspectives. As you have seen with the Australian/NZ context, the term is perjorative in nature and offensive to some. The temporary articles I submitted to separate proper nouns that offer a different perspective of the individuals who bear the name "Bogan" keep getting deleted by some editors who want to collapse the work into the dismbiguation page. The cultural origins of the term 'bogan' is Australian/New Zealand and of recent vintage. The cultural origins of the Bogan family name from England, Ireland, and Germany goes back to at least the 6th century from my research and reflects contributions that distinguish the bearers of the name markedly from the Australian form and stereotype (cultured, pioneers, educators, attoneys, politicians, etc.). From what I read of the wiki policy, when there is a naming conflict (and there is) it is appropriate to qualify the name (i.e., the Friendly Fire example). Failure to distinguish the 'bogan' pejorative form from the 'Bogan' proper noun form equally is poor social etiquette. The limitations of the the Wiki tool on capitalization is a weakness that separates it from traditional encyclopedia manuals of style. The policy also says that common sense should prevail as well. Propagation of the use of the capitalized form of the word as referenced from Wikipedia has spread to other websites (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Bogan and http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=3765905512788389388). The strange thing is that the wikitionary only got it partially right, relative to the capitalization (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogans). So from a neutral point of view, there are more than one cultural/geographic perspective that should be addressed and a resolution of the naming conflict should be more than cobbling toghther a disambiguation page that subordinates other cultural/geographic perspectives. I'm trying to be positive about the balance between the desire by some in Australia/NZ to describe a recent cultural stereotype while being considerate to those people who bear the name Bogan and who reside in a different geographic domain. TyrODonnell (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Canley summed this up best on your talk page. I just don't see a practical way to separate the different uses for the word to allow for sensitivity without having multiple disambiguation pages for the same word. If you haven't yet, please read Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)Asher196 (talk) 03:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Revert on talk
Why did you revert my edit to User talk:86.43.184.115? I was removing a warning which I had issued myself, and I don't see that it's appropriate for another editor to restore it.

The reason I reverted it was that I double-checked and noticed the edit by that IP had been self-reverted, so I removed my warning. If you feel it's appropriate to make a warning of your own, you are of course free to do so ... but I don't see why you felt it appropriate to obscure the fact that I had removed my warning. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied on your talk page.Asher196 (talk) 03:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Mission Point Light‎
Asher: Hope all is going well. This needs an info box. And a push pin map. Happy editing! 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Old Mission Peninsula AVA
Old Mission Peninsula AVA could use a push pin map. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks. Unfortunately, the left hand picture is now messed up.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * All better. Thank ya!  03:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Harbor Beach Light
I think this picture (from the Coast Guard website) would look great on the left side of the article.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/harborbeach.JPG

What do you think? 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks. I think the picture is totally different than the color version, in terms of feel, look and content.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I agree, I just wish I knew what year that picture was taken so I could add it as a caption.Asher196 (talk) 02:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Mackinac Point Light and Old Mackinac Point Light
Push pin map? Info box incomplete. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * note the two duplicate articles on (I think) one light house.  This particular situation is very confusing.  As I put in the discussion, my google search showed only one light (I think) and it was Old Mackinac Point Light.  Take a look.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Menominee Pier Light
This original picture (with the removed fog horn station) might be good. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/menomineeBefore.JPG Push pin map? 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Bois Blanc Light
No info box. Pictures in this article suck, too.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/boisblanc.JPG 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * The entire article needs much work. I'll get to it soon.Asher196 (talk) 04:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree TOTALLY. No history at all.  Just a bare reference to Terry Pepper.  I did, however, put in most of the external links to find the info which should make the job somewhat easier.  Well, back to work.  I'm on the road again.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I rewrote the article. What would we do without Terry Pepper? Take a look and see what you think.Asher196 (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice job. I'll see if I can tweak it. The new picture is better, although maybe we need the before and after? Short of going into the print books (Putnam would be great, I think, as he was the last director of the Lighthouse Service before it merged with the Coast Gaurd), Terry Pepper is the main source on Michigan (and "western Great Lakes") lights for sure. He really worked hard on the history. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Couple of minor tweaks. Take a look.  I'm outahere until Tuesday.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Saginaw, MI
Good job on deleting the bad info from the crime section on the Saginaw page. However, is there any way you can fix the map? The pushpin makes it appear as though the City of Saginaw is much further East than it really is, practically in Tuscola county.User:hsxeric (talk) 9:30PM, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Fourteen Foot Shoal Light
Info box is incomplete. Push pin map? 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thank you for putting in the photo. Best regards.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Seul Choix Light
I think that the outstanding U.S. Coast Guard photo (see the external links section) would be a great addition to this article. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/seulchoixpointe.JPG7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Good job! Nice edits.  I thought that was the wrong info box.  The picture works well, too.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Blanking your own talk page
Well, I guess I didn't know that even though I know of WP:Talk page but then again it's better that it's archived anyway. Oh well. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  04:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Point Iroquois Light
Asher: Please take a look at the discussion and the info box on the height issue. Stan is confused. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Asher isn't. Thanks.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I just used the figures you provided from Terry Pepper, so I hope they are correct!!Asher196 (talk) 02:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The 72 feet focal plane comes out of the main article. The 65 feet is in the table of "tower heights" which can be accessed from his "database" section on the main page.  As I noted, the National Park Service inventory says 65 high and 68 focal.  An agreement on the tower height, but a disagreement on the measure of the focal plane.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I think the Terry Pepper focal plane number makes more sense. The focal plane is usually significantly higher than the tower height.Asher196 (talk) 02:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Like many things, Pepper was actually there as he has referenced, and made personal observations. I also tend to trust his version of things, as I have encountered (so far) very few obvious errors by him in the articles I've looked at. One of those his surmise on how best to get to the Charity Island Light and the Gravelly Shoal Light. He wrote about chartering a boat from Caseville, Michigan and some other points on the Thumb, and was evidently unaware of the ferry from Au Gres, Michigan. I had the benefit of local knowledge. I did write to him about that. There was also another typo in some other article, and I wrote to him about that and he corrected it. Of course, his mass of info is so large that errors are inevitable. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Fourteen Foot Shoal Light and Poe Reef Light
Speaking of info boxes, these both have the wrong kind. Thanks for filling out Charity Island Light, BTW. I would try to do this myself, but am concerned that I not screw up the National Historic Register part ofthe info box. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * I'm not sure if it really is a National Historic Registered place, or they just used the wrong template to begin with.Asher196 (talk) 03:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll get to Poe tomorrow.Asher196 (talk) 03:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a 'Po excuse.' Just kidding.  I need to work on that article, too.  The one that kind of has me really excited is Spectacle Reef Light, which from an engineering, architectural and historical perspective looks to be really fascinating.  And Major O.M. Poe built it.  Here is the link: http://www.michiganlights.com/spectaclereeflh.htm  This is a really good article on it.  Then again, the Point Iroquois Light is really under written.  It fails to graphically mention the origin of the name (Ojibwe for Iroquois' bones) and is fairly perfunctory in dealing with the reasons for this particular light.  There's a ton of things that need improvement. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Sturgeon Point Light
Wrong info box. However, this one really is on the National Register of Historic Places. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Whitefish Point Light
The picture at Wiki Commons (which is the one used in the article) is from the USCG cite. It won't blow up to a higher resolution, but the USCG one does. This is an exceptionally good picture, and this seems to be a technical issue. 21:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I uploaded the higher resolution image. See what you think....Asher196 (talk) 03:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Very good. It is an exceptionally good picture, and out users will derfinigtely benefit by not having to look through a magnifier.  Nice job!  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 10:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

De Tour Reef Light
Needs a picture. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/detourreef.JPG 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Point Betsie Light
I think the info box should show that it was upgraded in 1880 to a 3rd Order Fresnel Lens with bullseye (but I don't know how to do that. That accounted for the 27.5 mile range, which I don't think is accurate for the current optic.  I put in the current optic. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I'm not necessarily that fond of the picture of the sign in this article. Maybe it should be moved to Wiki commons with a link?  Would the Coast Guard picture be better as a supplement to the color picture (which I do like)?  http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/pointbetsie.JPG  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Granite Island (Michigan)
Asher: You're right. The problem is that the island and the lighthouse are inextricably intertwined. I don't know what you are supposed to do. Your the Admin (General) and I'm just an editor (Worker bee). Is there a rule against having two info boxes? We could split the article, but that kind of narrow jurisdictional approach will turn the article into hash. You might ask BKConrad, as he is "Older & Wiser" In any eventtk, he usually has a good perspective and is willing ot share it. Just a thought. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I'm not an admin, I just play one on TV. I could add a lighthouse infobox just to see how it would look.Asher196 (talk) 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Sorry for the misapprehension on my part.  If we add it, the worst that can happen is it gets deleted later.  That's really not much of a downside.  So if we are voting here, I vote with you, one worker bee to another.  (I didn't get the TV aside, as I'm really out of the loop on that one.  Anyways, go for it.7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I added some text, and I think it made the break points in the article line up better with the info boxes. What do you think?  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Looks pretty good. Sorry if you didn't get my TV joke, I thought everybody knew that one. At least everybody who was around in the 1970s. See Robert Young (actor) "Young later became famous for Marcus Welby, M.D. (1969-1976) for which he won an Emmy for best leading actor in a drama series. Young became so well identified with his wise doctor persona that he became famous as the commercial spokesman for an aspirin product, saying, "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" while wearing a lab coat.[1] He continued making television commercials until the late 1980s."Asher196 (talk) 03:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I remember it well. It was in my memory bank, but had to be jogged out.  I would say we should leave the article AI, and see what develops.  It's kind of off the beaten path (there are 12 people in the whole state that have even heard of Granite Island, let along know about it), and it will take a while (probably) for anybody to even notice.  This is an obscure article about an obscure island with a little known lighthouse on it.  Not to say that that policy issues involved in its sale weren't important, however.  Where this will get pick up is because of people having your page (or Granite Island) on their watch list.  Anywayz, not much we can do about that. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * And of course, when you click on Granite Island Light you get Granite Island (Michigan). So I think that 2 info boxes are definitely the way to go.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC) STan

Manitou Island (Lake Superior)
Needs two info boxes. BTW, if you click on Manitou Island Light it take you there. It does, cuz I tried it. At least it does from Whitefish Point Light, although I didn't actually check the editing to see how it's formatted. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/manitouisland.JPG 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Goaltending leaders at 2008 Stanley Cup Playoffs
The top five goalies by SV% are not necessarily the top 5 by GAA. In this case: If you'd like to join the discussion regarding the goalies, see Talk:2008 Stanley Cup Playoffs. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 19:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Top five by SV%: (Ellis, Fleury, Osgood, Turco, Thomas)
 * Top five by GAA: (Ellis, Fleury, Osgood, Turco, Nabokov)

Sugar Beets/Michigan Sugar Co
Please, change the information if you need to. You probaly know more about this kind of thing than I do. One thing I would like to mention is that I took a tour of the Croswell factory a couple years back in Januaray, and the guide told me this was the start of the processing season. Thank's for helping me with this page, as you probably know, articals concering agriculture are very important to unsigned comment added by Cgord (talk • contribs) 04:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Natalie Wood img
Helpful catch, I've seen that image before and it's very likely behind a copyright. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much...
I have noted your comment on user:Rollosmokes' talk page regarding my attempts to delete messages on my talk page and have acted on them. I had assumed that this procedure was allowed, because the messages have been acknowledged and noted (and expired), and because it is after all my own page. I had recently had some less-than-sunny exchanges with this user, and I wished to put all of them behind me and start afresh. I often edit with merely my own IP address because I simply forget to log in! Thank you for your notification of this and your support. Regards 67.180.135.133 (talk) 03:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Nick, alternatively known as user Lantana11.67.180.135.133 (talk) 03:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Bete Grise Light‎
Needs a push pin. Hope you are doing well. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Round Island Light (Michigan)

 * Per your request, I wrote to Terry Pepper. Here is part of his response about Round Island Light.

Stan,

It is common for people to become confused when they see the numbers for a lighthouse which has a building height that is greater than the focal height.

Attached, you will see the entry for Round Island light from the 1937 Great Lakes Light list. I have also added a quick sketch which should immediately show how the aforementioned height differential can occur.

In the case of Round Island, the height from the water level to the crib deck is simply less than the height from the focal plane to the top of the vent ball!

Feel free to share it with Asher196 if you should choose to do so.

Kind regards,

Terry

I wrote: > Terry: > > As it is, I am now getting some dissension from Asher196 on the > height/focal plane of Round Island Light. He and I have been working > together on some of these Wikipedia article revisions, so I need to > tread carefully with him, as I don't want to lost an ally. I am > trying to explain (as you did in your two charts) that the numbers > that go into focal plane and tower height are independent of each > other. Thus, we get the odd looking numbers (from you chart) on the > Whitefish Point light. I'm guessing he'll figure it out.

As Terry indicated, he sent me the diagram with the figures and the data that shows the situation at Round Island Light.

Best to you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Pinball
I see that you arbitrarily decided to move the contested section rather than join in the discussion that had already been established regarding that portion of the article. As a courtesy to those of us who were having the talk (and those that you may be involved in in the future), can you please check to make sure that there isn't some sort of discussion taking place that is trying to reach consensus before making your own decision as to what to do? In this case, the end result may have ended up as "keep it integrated". 'preciate it. SpikeJones (talk) 11:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Copper Harbor Light
I'm sure this article would benefit from your intervention. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * The two pictures that are presently in the article are (more or less) duplicative. This one might be better on the bottom.  http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/copperharbor.JPG  It is from the Coast Guard and is historical.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Big Bay Point Light
USCG photo might be good. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/bigbaypoint.JPG Could go down on the right by External links. Go Red Wings! Stan

Mackinac Point Light
I don't disagree with your measurement. I don't know the source of the 45 feet. Maybe you want to change the figure in the infobox? BTW, this picture would look good at the bottom of the article on the right side (opposite the external links). http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/mackinacpoint.JPG I liked the night picture you put in, BTW. Stan
 * Thank you. I have many more pictures I could add if I took the time to scan them.  Who am I kidding, I would have to dig them out and figure out what they are first!Asher196 (talk) 13:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Fort Gratiot Light
This picture on the right of the External Links? http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/fortgratiot.JPG 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Lighthouse info box
If you look at one of the infoboxes that I've cobbled together, (Sturgeon Point Light?) maybe, I think I have everything that needs to be in there. You need original lens, current lens, original range, current range, NHR Number, station creation date (real useful if there have been multiple lights on a site), tower creation date, intensity, markings, shape, owner, operator (if different than owner), website (maybe?), characteristic, disposition of previous lens, location, active, open to public. And of course, there are those other things that show up in lighthouse info boxes, but I don't remember them, and don't know what they are (they're probably from overseas). State historic register status? I think that's all I can think of for now. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * You could also have a section for "Private Aid to Navigation" which one would put "Yes" or "No" on. This relates to USCG status on  certain lights that are no longer officially "Coast Guard" lights.  Sometimes the Coast Gurd talks about dates (e.g., May to Nov.) during which a light is operational.  I think the Structure includes whether it is free standing etc., and is subject to interpretation.  If you look at Volume 7 of the Coast Guard material, there may be other things they deem relevant.  Hope that helps!  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Lighthouses
I am a new user to Wikipedia and into lighthouses. I have seen almost 250 lighthouses and have a wall full of books and resources. Let me know if you want help in this effort. I can dig up plenty of books as references etc.

Right now I just started looking through lighthouses on Wikipedia to see what I can contribute. --Crimson Red Fox (talk) 23:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia! I've been working with User:7&6=thirteen‎ on many lighthouse articles.  He's quite prolific, and I'm sure he could point out areas where you could help contribute.  Don't be afraid to jump right in and be bold.  At the very worst your edits will get reverted and you will learn something.Asher196 (talk) 04:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Fourteen Foot Shoal Light
Historical photograph would look good to the right of the external links. [] 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Mackinac Bridge- 12th, 3rd, or longest suspention bridge?
There's a lot of diffrent information going around about the Big Mac Bridge. The official website says it is the third longest suspention in the world. The longest suspention bridge article says it is the 12th longest suspention. In terms of length between anchorages, it is much longer than the Akashi-Kaikyo Bridge. We need to work together and try to clear this up. Keep up the good work, Cgord (talk) 14:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied on your talk page....Asher196 (talk) 00:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Grand Traverse Light
Infobox. Also needs vintage photo. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * RE Coast Guard, please go see what I wrote in the discussion page of this sight. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

FYI on U.S. Coast Guard list of Michigan lights
The Coast Guard has changed the URL on its list of Michigan lights. The URL must now end with ".asp" not "html." This is going to need to be changed on all those other articles. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * The photo links seem to be working now. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Copyright problem with Image:Midlandlogo.PNG
Thank you for tagging the copyright problem with Image:Midlandlogo.PNG. I agree that the original uploader was incorrect in how he characterized the upload. I declined the speedy and instead added the logo fur template to the page, since logos can be used to illustrate the article about the logo's owner under fair use. Everything should be fine now. --Eastmain (talk) 23:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Beck
Thanks for the backup. "A reasonable man..." Nicely put. E2a2j (talk) 23:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem....Asher196 (talk) 03:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheboygan Crib Light
Needs an infobox. I tried and just managed to bugger it up. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/cheboygancrib.JPG Coast Guard Picture. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Infobox is fixed. Needs the picture still.  Maybe opposite the external links?  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks for the pic. The only thing this article is now lacking is actual text.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Yes that would probably be a good thing to have....Asher196 (talk) 13:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * One of the reference URLs does nor work. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)  Stan

Waugoshance Light
Needs an infobox. The links are all in place, so finding the information should not be too hard. Make sure you use an infobox that is complete (including markings, etc.)) See Cheboyugan Crib Light, for example.  I would do this, but I've really got to get back to some paying work.  Thanks.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * This could use some editing, now that there is an article. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

White Shoal Light
We've got an info box and all the links are in place, so finding the information should not be too hard. All we need is an article. Ha-ha. 13:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Menominee Pier Light
Coast Guard has two old pictures. Here is one of the links. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/menomineeAfter.JPG 22:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks. It was way too cool a pic to pass up.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * No problem!Asher196 (talk) 22:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Rock of Ages Light
New article and new contributor (on Michigan lighs). 12:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Tawas Point Light
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/tawaspoint.JPG Nice USCG Picture of Tawas Point (a/k/a Ottawa Point) Light. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I added the image opposite the references. See if you like it.  Asher196 (talk) 02:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A very nice addition. It certainly meets with my approval, don't you think?  Merci.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I agree. I just wish the USCG would have dated these photos. Asher196 (talk) 03:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too. The range of time covered is incredibly wide.  However, we're lucky to have the photos, and should just 'count our blessings.'  It is entirely possible that these were just pulled out of a file, and that nobody kept track of the dates.  Trying to get the Coast Guard to look them up seems like a real stretch to me.  Sigh.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Rollback
Hello, Asher196, and thanks for your anti-vandalism efforts to Wikipedia. Have you considered requesting for rollback? It's much faster than using the UNDO feature. Thanks! Schfifty Three  00:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I was unaware I could request it. Thanks for the info!Asher196 (talk) 00:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Your rollback request
Hello Asher196, I've granted your account rollback in accordance with your request. Please remember to use rollback to revert edits that you are absolutely sure are vandalism: if in doubt, don't use rollback to revert. In addition, misuse of the rollback feature, either by reverting good-faith edits or revert-warring, can and will lead to its removal. For more information, see New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 02:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you Asher196 (talk) 02:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Michigan shoreline
Hi, I commented on the talk page. I think the shoreline length itself is pretty solid, and i was able to find a fair number of sites making the "second longest" claim... but some of dubious reliability, or referring to each other, etc. I wonder if there's a way to include the length and claim without necessarily validating it as "correct". You may want to comment there as well... Best. ++Lar: t/c 13:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Grosse Point Light
Asher196: Fabulous U.S. Coast Guard picture here: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/grossepoint.JPG 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Talk:2007–08 NHL season
I've just made a recommendation on the page Talk:2007–08 NHL season. Since you edit there regularly, I wanted your comment. BMW (drive) 14:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Super Space Invaders '91
Thank you. It is very much appreciated. I'll check it out later. Thanks again. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC))

Size of Earth-Moon image
Why do you insist on making the image



so small the labels cannot be read? For example,



fits on the page just fine, and is legible. Brews ohare (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I was unaware of setting preferences. My own must be default values. Maybe yours are not? I redid the figure with larger labels. It doesn't look as good, but you can read it. Brews ohare (talk) 21:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Ozzy
I just wanted to let you know why I have removed "Ozzy" from the list of Chris Osgood's nicknames. At Wikiproject:Hockey, we have determined that the "nickname" part of the infobox should be used for real nicknames, like "The Great One" or, in this case, "The Wizard of Oz" rather than a short form of the players' names, like Gretz or Ozzy, since almost every player is referred to in the latter way by his teammates. -- bmitchelf•T•F 05:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your conclusion.  Just look at the Nickname page and you will find that the Ozzie nickname is valid.  It's probably the more used nickname for Osgood, and I can come up with endless numbers of sources to back this up. Asher196 (talk) 03:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Alexander Macomb (American general)
Asher: needs an info box. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 09:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Asher: All I really know (other than I live in Macomb County), is what I found in the sources that are now posted in this article.  Feel free to carry on.  I've been up since 4:00 a.m., am starting to crash, and have to get on my horse and leave very early tomorrow morning, for a week without internet (or at least very little).  So carry on my good man. . . .  Best to you.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * OK, I'll work on it, you need some rest! Have a safe trip....Asher196 (talk) 03:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 210 miles. Although I've got work up there (actually back in Saginaw) midweek.  You have a great weekend.  Sweet dreams.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Saginaw River Light
Infobox needed. Here is a link to the U.S.C.G. Photo. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/saginawriverrear.JPG 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 09:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * I think the article is shaping up nicely. Thanaks for the pic.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Asher: I think I satisfactorily took care of the lighthouse info box, but this could still use an NHR info box. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * No problem, I haven't really looked at the article yet other than adding the picture. Asher196 (talk) 02:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy Chagra
Why did you take my picture of Jimmy down? While that picture has been used in certain publications it was MINE. I gave them permission and I released it to Wiki. So why did you take it down? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicalmerc (talk • contribs) 13:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I put another one up that I have not published elsewhere taken of him in Atlanta at his apartment by me. It's a couple years old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicalmerc (talk • contribs) 18:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Twin Lakes Brewing Company
there three refs, one a self ref but two look independent, I just think this should be given a chance at afd especially if the green energy claim has any credence. Gnangarra 02:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes please tell me what else would be required to keep this from being deleted again. This is far from the first article i have written on wiki, and the first time i have had one deleted - especially so quickly! I am glad to see it up again and want to be sure it is out of danger. I hope the additioanl refs help. thanks. Turover (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Nickname or whatever
Just so you know we aren't saying it can't go in the article, you are more than welcome to add it into the prose, we are just saying it isn't a nickname. As the second sentence in the Nickname article that you keep referring to says. Not to be confused with a familiar or truncated form of the proper name, such as Bob, Bobby, Rob, Robbie, Robin, and Bert for Robert which is called a short name. So feel free to add it into the prose, just don't call it a nickname, say something like "Sometimes called Ozzie" if you think its that notable to warrant inclusion into the article. -Djsasso (talk) 01:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Gravelly Shoal Light
Needs info in the infobox. Happy editing. 19:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Meijer Gardens, American Horse, Statue copyright
Hi Asher196. I have come here to follow up with you about Image:MeijerGardensAmericanHorse.jpg‎. I used to contribute a lot of images to wikipedia, back about a year and a half ago I would make trips to specific locations to take high quality pictures for inclusion on Wikipedia. In doing so, I learned more about copyright of photography than most lawyers do (because most lawyers do not work in the copyright space). Suffice to say that your perception of image copyright is an incorrect one. A summary of image copyright has been written elsewhere far better than I can try here, but i am so out of practice on WP I cannot find it. First, please carefully read the copyright template that I have placed upon this image. The image is copyrighted because it is a 2d representation of a 3d statue. Statues, just like paintings, soda can artwork, music and movies are copyrightable. As such, one cannot make derivitives of that work that one can license (i.e. take a picture). If one takes a photograph of a statue, the original copyright holder still retains rights over that image, rights that can only be bent through the implying the fair use provisions of copyright law.

I was involved in a rather epic struggle between good (fair use) and evil (anti-copyright) people on Wikipedia, one that we sadly lost because this project is dominated by people who are so leftist and anti establishment that they desire nothing short of completely free. Sadly, this is a battle my side eventually was overcome by noise and numbers generally, but even these nazi's must admit defeat in the face of being able to include photographs of statues. There is no other option. One simply cannot create public domain or freely licensable photographs of statues. I hope this post brings to you a greater understanding of copyright of images and will serve you in your future editing.--Jeff (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you claim fair use, then shouldn't you include a fair use rationale in the image namespace? Asher196 (talk) 03:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. There's no reason why not, but things were a touch more lax back in 2006 in this regard. Anyone can edit an image an add an FU rationale, in the case of this image, FU rational would simply be that it is impossible to attain an image free of copyright because it is a statue and it is used to illustrate the object for the article it is in.--Jeff (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My point is that the image is deletable without the rationale, and sooner or later the bots will catch this and delete it. Asher196 (talk) 03:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is why perhaps people such as yourself should concentrate not on deleting images or tagging images as missing FU rationale and instead merely create the FU rationale yourself. Editors like me come and go, images I have submitted to this project are at the whim of people such as yourself and others who dredge through and find errors. Too much of my work has been tore apart by others who, rather than merely fix a problem, go the lazy route and just tag an image for deletion due to the lack of an FU rationale. If I didn't happen to login, for instance, I never would've known yet another one of my photographs were being nominated for improper use. I guess all I am saying is that it is better for everyone if people would correct issues like missing FU info by providing it themselves rather than attempting to get good, valuable images that people worked hard to submit deleted. It's easier to tear down than it is to build on WP in the Image: space, I've found. Alot of work goes in to taking a picture for WP, but to delete it only takes but a moment. Image contributions should be treated more carefully than text.--Jeff (talk) 03:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be a tremendous amount of work to create FU rationales for all the uploaders who didn't want to do it themselves. I'm not sure it's fair to call people who tag the image with a no fair-use tag as lazy if the person who uploaded the photo didn't want to take the time to create the rationale. Asher196 (talk) 03:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Might be more work but it's a whole lot less destructive and leads to a better WP, which i believe is a goal we should all share as current editors or former editors. FU Rationale wasn't as important 2 years ago, but the clamps are forever coming down on copyright/FU. What if I hadn't logged in? Why should the original creator have to valiantly defend work submitted to WP? Shouldn't we all be protective of quality work, not just myself?--Jeff (talk) 03:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I can see both sides of this, but I believe if you're going to upload the image, you should complete the job. Asher196 (talk) 04:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * FU Rationale wasn't part of the job 2 years ago so far as I can remember. Whatever the case, it's done. It's not that hard to add FU to images, so be kind, don't delete quality content without considering the negative repercussions. It's no good.--Jeff (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Mendota (Bete Grise) Light
I changed the Michigan lighthouse template to reflect the new name. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thank you. I get sidetracked easily here! Asher196 (talk) 21:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If Berean hadn't told me how to do it, I would have been clueless. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Common misconceptions disagreement
""Pong was not the first video game. In fact, Tennis for Two, created in 1958, was one of the first electronic games to use a graphical display. The first coin-operated video game, Computer Space, was created in 1971 by the future founders of Atari. Fearing that Computer Space had not been popular because of its complexity, Nolan Bushnell and Allan Alcorn created Pong in 1972 after Bushnell had seen a similar game at a trade show."

Considering I took all the information directly from the Pong, Computer Space, and Tennis for Two articles, along with their sources, I would like to know what you think the contradiction is?"

- Asher196 (talk) 03:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * One of the problems is that from Computer Space we get "Though not commercially sold, the coin operated minicomputer driven Galaxy Game preceded it by two months, located solely at Stanford University.". So Computer Space is not the first coin operate video game.
 * Also, the article Computer Space itself has a tag. I don't know why exactly was that tag added, but I do notice that the sources cited seem "amateur". As I known little about this subject, I don't know for certain in they are reliable or not.
 * And because of the uncertainty of what is considered a video game, I would rather not even have this kind of content in that article. We can be spreading further misconceptions.
 * Also, see First video game for how complex the concept is. And reading (the first part of) that article, I don't even think we should mention Tennis for Two instead of (for example) OXO.
 * I have a general concern that the Common misconceptions article is very big and only partly sourced. I think it is likely that there are innacuracies in that article.


 * But if you really think this "first video game" content fits in the article, then at least correct the claim that Computer Space was the first coin-operated video game. -- Jorge Peixoto (talk) 04:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, I missed that. I changed the article to reflect "the first commercially sold coin-operated video game". Asher196 (talk) 04:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Basics of merging
Get one article the way you like it, redirect the other to it. That is it.  spryde |  talk  00:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and if the article you want to merge will become a small section, make sure the redirect includes the appropriate anchor. That got me a few times.  spryde |  talk  00:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Heart
Although I doubt it's what you meant, I agree that there's "spelling, and [then there's] American spelling". ;-) (I couldn't resist - the devil made me do it.) Sometimes I forget WP is bi-lingual; my apologies. I have gotten used to your dislike of the letter "u", but I just can't get used to the fact that you guys don't double the final consonant before the vowel of the suffix - it just screams "wrong" to me. That "fueled" is going to make me cringe every time I look at the article. Oh well, I guess that's one of the joys of being a minority. Next time I edit, I'll choose bi-lingual words! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

How to delete an image file?
Hi there. You tagged a photo of mine of which the copyright status is unknown. I would actually like for it to be deleted. How does one go about doing that? (The image file is Treesoflight.jpg.)

Thank you!

--Fabioli2010 (talk) 02:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Put this template on the image namespace. Asher196 (talk) 02:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Little Sable Point Light
Asher: This could use the Coast Guard pic. Unfortunately, I can't connect to the usual Coast Gaurfd list. The Coast Gaurd pic is also at Michigan Lighthosue Conservancy, whcih link is in the article. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Asher: Thank you.  Looks very nice. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Little Traverse Light‎
The darn U.S. Coast Guard list of Michigan lists still isn't working that I can find. This could use that kind of picture. Maybe you can find one. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Thanks. Where did you find this pic?  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Sand Hills Light
The darn U.S. Coast Guard list of Michigan lists still isn't working that I can find. This could use that kind of picture. Maybe you can find one. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Try going to http://www.uscg.mil/history/weblighthouses/LHMI.asp

It seems to be working for me. Asher196 (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I got it off the last picture you downloaded, and it works for me too. I will have to go through a bunch of Michigan lighthouses to correct the links, regretfully.  It appears where we've got it in External links, or where we've cited to it in the text.  If you have any suggestions, I would surely be attentive and appreciative.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Sorry, I don't have any suggestions, but just think, it'll boost your edit count fixing them! Asher196 (talk) 21:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering I have an edit count over 11K, but I don't have the longevity to qualify for anything substantial, it really doesn't matter. If I just wait long enough -- and even don't do a single additional edit -- I can self appoint myself as a 'grand poobah' or something like that.
 * In any event, thanks for putting in the pic. It gives the article a concrete sense of time.  Although not quite as much as the one you put in Little Traverse Light, which illustrated the bell clanger, and had those trees that were itty bitty in it.
 * Best regards. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Alpena Light‎
The USCG Historical light pic would be a great addition. I have put in and tidied up all of the links. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC) Stan